(long) NTL/Telewest/Blue Yonder router question

Please forgive if this is a daft question ... but how do I find the IP
address of a wireless router provided by NTL/Telewest/Blue Yonder? To
explain .. my brother has a fancy Yamaha keyboard which can connect via the
Interweb to a site(s) from which it can download updates for its internal
software and new sounds etc. Trouble is, currently it doesn't and he asked
me if I knew why ...

My answer (from limited knowledge of setting up my own wireless network)
involved logging in to the router with his web browser to find the WEP key
which must be entered on a config screen on his keyboard before the keyboard
can connect to the wireless network. Unfortunately, my presumed address of
192.168.0.1 didn't work, nor did 192.168.0.227 which ISTR as being the
default address for my Netgear router (which looks identical to his,
although his device has a label stuck on its underside proclaiming it to be
a "Blue Yonder" router, and declaring its SSID to be XXXXXXXXX and that it
operates on channel 11) I'm a bit puzzled by this and it leads me to
suspect that it has special firmware and it may not be possible to connect
to its internal config parameters in the way that I do to mine. I booted up
his laptop which (eventually!) connected to the wireless network, and did an
'ipconfig /all' to show me the computer's address, so I thought, and the
address of the default gateway which I could then use with IE to log in to
the router. The addresses returned, however, were 82 dot something, not 192
dot something and of course entering the 82 dot whatever address of the
'default gateway' in IE as the URL to connect to got me precisely nowhere
....

Does any of this sound familiar, and is there a way that I can help my bruv
uncover the elusive code that he needs to configure his keyboard to connect
to his wireless netwok?

Please?

Mike Faithfull explained :
> Please forgive if this is a daft question ... but how do I find the IP
> address of a wireless router provided by NTL/Telewest/Blue Yonder? To
> explain .. my brother has a fancy Yamaha keyboard which can connect via the
> Interweb to a site(s) from which it can download updates for its internal
> software and new sounds etc. Trouble is, currently it doesn't and he asked
> me if I knew why ...
>
> My answer (from limited knowledge of setting up my own wireless network)
> involved logging in to the router with his web browser to find the WEP key
> which must be entered on a config screen on his keyboard before the keyboard
> can connect to the wireless network. Unfortunately, my presumed address of
> 192.168.0.1 didn't work, nor did 192.168.0.227 which ISTR as being the
> default address for my Netgear router (which looks identical to his, although
> his device has a label stuck on its underside proclaiming it to be a "Blue
> Yonder" router, and declaring its SSID to be XXXXXXXXX and that it operates
> on channel 11) I'm a bit puzzled by this and it leads me to suspect that it
> has special firmware and it may not be possible to connect to its internal
> config parameters in the way that I do to mine. I booted up his laptop which
> (eventually!) connected to the wireless network, and did an 'ipconfig /all'
> to show me the computer's address, so I thought, and the address of the
> default gateway which I could then use with IE to log in to the router. The
> addresses returned, however, were 82 dot something, not 192 dot something and
> of course entering the 82 dot whatever address of the 'default gateway' in IE
> as the URL to connect to got me precisely nowhere ...
>
> Does any of this sound familiar, and is there a way that I can help my bruv
> uncover the elusive code that he needs to configure his keyboard to connect
> to his wireless netwok?
>
> Please?

It sounds like he has the Blueyonder "improved" firmware version which
allows only one device to connect to it, which is why I assume his PC
has the public IP address.

"Mike Faithfull" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Bv-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Please forgive if this is a daft question ... but how do I find the IP
> address of a wireless router provided by NTL/Telewest/Blue Yonder? To
> explain .. my brother has a fancy Yamaha keyboard which can connect via
> the Interweb to a site(s) from which it can download updates for its
> internal software and new sounds etc. Trouble is, currently it doesn't
> and he asked me if I knew why ...
>
> My answer (from limited knowledge of setting up my own wireless network)
> involved logging in to the router with his web browser to find the WEP key
> which must be entered on a config screen on his keyboard before the
> keyboard can connect to the wireless network. Unfortunately, my presumed
> address of 192.168.0.1 didn't work, nor did 192.168.0.227 which ISTR as
> being the default address for my Netgear router (which looks identical to
> his, although his device has a label stuck on its underside proclaiming it
> to be a "Blue Yonder" router, and declaring its SSID to be XXXXXXXXX and
> that it operates on channel 11) I'm a bit puzzled by this and it leads me
> to suspect that it has special firmware and it may not be possible to
> connect to its internal config parameters in the way that I do to mine. I
> booted up his laptop which (eventually!) connected to the wireless
> network, and did an 'ipconfig /all' to show me the computer's address, so
> I thought, and the address of the default gateway which I could then use
> with IE to log in to the router. The addresses returned, however, were 82
> dot something, not 192 dot something and of course entering the 82 dot
> whatever address of the 'default gateway' in IE as the URL to connect to
> got me precisely nowhere ...
>
> Does any of this sound familiar, and is there a way that I can help my
> bruv uncover the elusive code that he needs to configure his keyboard to
> connect to his wireless netwok?

The Blueyonder wireless router (provided for self-install) isn't a router
its an accesspoint of sorts.
If you use it you can only connect one device at a time.

This is probably the problem.. you need to disconnect the PC and reset the
cable modem (unplug the power for 30 seconds) and then connect just the
keyboard.
It will then get a public BY address (probably 82.x.x.x).
Then you can do the update.

If you want to have the PC and keyboard on together then throw the BY
"router" away and get a real one.

On 2007-01-07, Mike Faithfull <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> to its internal config parameters in the way that I do to mine. I booted up
> his laptop which (eventually!) connected to the wireless network, and did an
> 'ipconfig /all' to show me the computer's address, so I thought, and the
> address of the default gateway which I could then use with IE to log in to
> the router. The addresses returned, however, were 82 dot something, not 192
> dot something and of course entering the 82 dot whatever address of the
> 'default gateway' in IE as the URL to connect to got me precisely nowhere
> ...

While I guess there could be a number of reasons why that would happen,
it is consistent with the wireless box being used as a bridge/access point
rather than a router (i.e. approximately what happens when you plug
the Ethernet cable from a cable modem into a LAN port on a cable router
rather than the WAN port).

To test this you might instead try turning DHCP off on the PC and
manually configuring it with an address on the subnet you would
guess the router might default to, say 192.168.0.10/255.255.255.0.
Then try connecting to 192.168.0.1, or ping'ing 255.255.255.255 to
see if anything reponds.

Dennis Ferguson

Is there a Netgear model number anywhere on it? If so, what does it say?

Paul DS

dennis@home wrote:
>
> The Blueyonder wireless router (provided for self-install) isn't a router
> its an accesspoint of sorts.
> If you use it you can only connect one device at a time.
>
> This is probably the problem.. you need to disconnect the PC and reset the
> cable modem (unplug the power for 30 seconds) and then connect just the
> keyboard.
> It will then get a public BY address (probably 82.x.x.x).
> Then you can do the update.

Thanks for this (and all the other replies). This certainly sounds
like the probable cause. If I do as you suggest, won't I still need
the WEP code for the keyboard before it will connect though? Or have I
misunderstood how this stuff works? (which is quite likely!)

> If you want to have the PC and keyboard on together then throw the BY
> "router" away and get a real one.

Sounds like the best idea ...

If it's really just rebadged, presumably you can flash it to a standard
Netgear image and reuse it rather than throwing it way?

Paul DS

"Paul D.Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:45a25366$0$22615$(E-Mail Removed) ...
> If it's really just rebadged, presumably you can flash it to a standard
> Netgear image and reuse it rather than throwing it way?
>
> Paul DS

Now there's a thought ... still have to "connect" to it first though,
presumably.

Just for closure, I will post the outcome - thanks to all for replies.