Long distance networking info needed please

Hello all

I live in a village that will never get its bt exchange upgraded, with this in
mind I have been looking into other options. A village about 10miles away will
be getting broadband as they have a large industrial estate. And between them
and us is another village and 2 or 3 farms. I would like to find out if I could
setup a broadband net work from the village that has broadband, as a friend of
mine lives there, and if I pay for a line I could have one at his house.

The thing is we are far from being line of site, but I could install radio
repeaters at the farms along the way if there are such things ? With large
directional antennas. The idea has been working for years in the world of ham
radio (packet radio).

Here are a few of the questions I need help with.

If I tried to set up a radio link, would the dti need to license it ? is there
any radio equipment already available. Can I resell it to others that live near
me to cover some of the cost's ?

Have any of you tried this or no of anyone who has ? I would love to hear from
you, or any of the group's thoughts on this.

Many thanks

Steve

Thebluenowhere01 wrote:

> Hello all
>
> I live in a village that will never get its bt exchange upgraded, with this in
> mind I have been looking into other options. A village about 10miles away will
> be getting broadband as they have a large industrial estate. And between them
> and us is another village and 2 or 3 farms. I would like to find out if I could
> setup a broadband net work from the village that has broadband, as a friend of
> mine lives there, and if I pay for a line I could have one at his house.
>
> The thing is we are far from being line of site, but I could install radio
> repeaters at the farms along the way if there are such things ? With large
> directional antennas. The idea has been working for years in the world of ham
> radio (packet radio).
>
> Here are a few of the questions I need help with.
>
> If I tried to set up a radio link, would the dti need to license it ? is there
> any radio equipment already available. Can I resell it to others that live near
> me to cover some of the cost's ?
>
> Have any of you tried this or no of anyone who has ? I would love to hear from
> you, or any of the group's thoughts on this.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Steve
>
Short answer, buy the broadband feed directly from your telephone
company and resell it. A T1 line directly to your place will be
expensive (maybe a T2 line where you are) so you will need to charge
others accordingly. Setting up several hops from another town is
possible but not reasonable.

> Short answer, buy the broadband feed directly from your telephone
> company and resell it. A T1 line directly to your place will be

In principle yes but it's going to cost him £1000 a month for a 2Mbps
leased line. He *MUST* get 50 users at 20 quid a month just to cover
the cost and then he has the hassle of selling it on.

Alternatively, if he wants to go 10 miles, yes hops are an option as you
suggest and the determination of reasonable must be down to the chap in
question. He can certainly do it for less than £1000 a month!

David.

> Have any of you tried this or no of anyone who has ? I would love to hear from
> you, or any of the group's thoughts on this.

We did this to get broadband to the company I work at:-

http://www.nodomainname.co.uk/Equati..._broadband.htm

We just needed 2 hops but you could do it with more. It doesn't have to
be expensive and funnily enough the hardest part was convincing someone
that we were going to give them free access to 2Mbps at their house
without a catch!

email me if you want to take this offline. best to email me at
(E-Mail Removed) (removing NOSPAM obviously) as the
email address in the header of this post is subject to so much spam that
bigfoot stop forwarding after my 20 daily offerings of sexual tackle
augmentation.

David.

David Taylor wrote:
>>Short answer, buy the broadband feed directly from your telephone
>>company and resell it. A T1 line directly to your place will be
>
>
> In principle yes but it's going to cost him £1000 a month for a 2Mbps
> leased line. He *MUST* get 50 users at 20 quid a month just to cover
> the cost and then he has the hassle of selling it on.
>
> Alternatively, if he wants to go 10 miles, yes hops are an option as you
> suggest and the determination of reasonable must be down to the chap in
> question. He can certainly do it for less than £1000 a month!
>
> David.

I've done something like I outlined in my community and thank god I
didn't have to depend on getting 50 users at $20 per month to break even
on the T1. I just hit break even and it is mostly because of small
businesses that are willing to pay $70-150 monthly for the extra
bandwidth. Funny how a customer that was previously getting about 40k
bandwidth now fumes and hollers about the speed dropping to only 500k.

About the multiple hops, it's certainly do-able. But the main reason I
suggested what I did was if he brought in ADSL by wireless from a
distant connection, he would have no right to resell it. It would work,
but it would be complicated and he would have to be on guard not to have
the ISP catch him reselling it.

> suggested what I did was if he brought in ADSL by wireless from a
> distant connection, he would have no right to resell it. It would work,
> but it would be complicated and he would have to be on guard not to have
> the ISP catch him reselling it.

Not necessarily. It depends on what agreement he cares to fashion with
the ISP.

In the UK for "not for profit" community networks, we are allowed to
share a connection but there are more forward thinking ISP's that aren't
stuck up their own arses for commercial use.

Not speaking authoritatively but from the ISP's point of view, there's
no loss of business to them because they couldn't claim those customers
anyway! It's only a phone call to ascertain their feelings on this.

David.