Linux Mail Server without need for fetchmail

Hi,

I'm currently using Exim mail server to send mail send local(local net
to local net users) and internet mail. Then I use fetchmail to get pop
mail for local users. But I wonder if there's mail server software
in the "free world" that caters for both smtp and pop/imap in one
package. It seems Exchange Server does this but it's windows software
and nonfree. Any suggestions?

Thanks

In comp.os.linux.networking Math Lumala <(E-Mail Removed)>:
> Hi,

> I'm currently using Exim mail server to send mail send local(local net
> to local net users) and internet mail. Then I use fetchmail to get pop
> mail for local users.

You don't need fetchmail at all, if you have a mx entry for your
domain and a smtp server listening to port 25 on this pointer.

http://www.sendmail.org/email-explained.html

> But I wonder if there's mail server software in the "free
> world" that caters for both smtp and pop/imap in one package.
> It seems Exchange Server does this but it's windows software
> and nonfree. Any suggestions?

Why should there? It's against the unix philosophy to do more
things then needed with one app, which has proven to work quite
well in decades.

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Michael Heiming wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.networking Math Lumala <(E-Mail Removed)>:
>
>>Hi,
>
>
>>I'm currently using Exim mail server to send mail send local(local net
>>to local net users) and internet mail. Then I use fetchmail to get pop
>> mail for local users.
>
>
> You don't need fetchmail at all, if you have a mx entry for your
> domain and a smtp server listening to port 25 on this pointer.
>
> http://www.sendmail.org/email-explained.html

I think you missed the point. My server is not directly connected to
the Internet! So it has to be told to go and get mail from the pop
server at my ISP. The server is "not known" on the Internet.That's why I
need fetchmail.
>
>
>>But I wonder if there's mail server software in the "free
>>world" that caters for both smtp and pop/imap in one package.
>>It seems Exchange Server does this but it's windows software
>>and nonfree. Any suggestions?
>
>
> Why should there? It's against the unix philosophy to do more
> things then needed with one app, which has proven to work quite
> well in decades.
>

In comp.os.linux.networking Math Lumala <(E-Mail Removed)>:
> Michael Heiming wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.networking Math Lumala <(E-Mail Removed)>:
[..]
>>>I'm currently using Exim mail server to send mail send local(local net
>>>to local net users) and internet mail. Then I use fetchmail to get pop
>>> mail for local users.
>>
>>
>> You don't need fetchmail at all, if you have a mx entry for your
>> domain and a smtp server listening to port 25 on this pointer.
>>
>> http://www.sendmail.org/email-explained.html

> I think you missed the point. My server is not directly connected to
> the Internet! So it has to be told to go and get mail from the pop
> server at my ISP. The server is "not known" on the Internet.That's why I
> need fetchmail.

Nope, your subject was "Linux Mail Server without need for
fetchmail" in the subject. Explained that you don't need
fetchmail on a "real" MTA, sure you need fetchmail or alike
without the above mentioned points.

If you had a point, please show me where?

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Michael Heiming wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.networking Math Lumala <(E-Mail Removed)>:
>
>>Michael Heiming wrote:
>>
>>>In comp.os.linux.networking Math Lumala <(E-Mail Removed)>:
>
> [..]
>
>>>>I'm currently using Exim mail server to send mail send local(local net
>>>>to local net users) and internet mail. Then I use fetchmail to get pop
>>>> mail for local users.
>>>
>>>
>>>You don't need fetchmail at all, if you have a mx entry for your
>>>domain and a smtp server listening to port 25 on this pointer.
>>>
>>>http://www.sendmail.org/email-explained.html
>
>
>>I think you missed the point. My server is not directly connected to
>>the Internet! So it has to be told to go and get mail from the pop
>>server at my ISP. The server is "not known" on the Internet.That's why I
>>need fetchmail.
>
>
> Nope, your subject was "Linux Mail Server without need for
> fetchmail" in the subject. Explained that you don't need
> fetchmail on a "real" MTA, sure you need fetchmail or alike
> without the above mentioned points.
>
> If you had a point, please show me where?
>
I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear. Let me try to explain the
present situation:

I've got a mail server for my local internet. This mail server makes it
possible for all local users to send mail to one another. The problem is
that these same users need to get mail from the outside i.e. from
internet users who send mail to the ISP mailboxes. I just want the send
and receive procedure to be transparent to the local user i.e. local and
global mail arrives at the same local mailbox. How do I do it without
fetchmail?

In comp.os.linux.networking Math Lumala <(E-Mail Removed)>:
[..]

> I've got a mail server for my local internet. This mail server makes it
> possible for all local users to send mail to one another. The problem is
> that these same users need to get mail from the outside i.e. from
> internet users who send mail to the ISP mailboxes. I just want the send
> and receive procedure to be transparent to the local user i.e. local and
> global mail arrives at the same local mailbox. How do I do it without
> fetchmail?

What's wrong with fetchmail? It's exactly what you need in your
situation without a "real" MTA, perhaps you want to run fetchmail
in daemon mode? It should be transparent to your users and you
can use the same mailbox for local/internet mail. Sorry, but I
still don't get your problem?

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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:23:13 +0100, Michael Heiming
<michael+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.networking Math Lumala <(E-Mail Removed)>:
> [..]
>
>> I've got a mail server for my local internet. This mail server
>> makes it possible for all local users to send mail to one
>> another. The problem is that these same users need to get mail
>> from the outside i.e. from internet users who send mail to the
>> ISP mailboxes. I just want the send and receive procedure to
>> be transparent to the local user i.e. local and global mail
>> arrives at the same local mailbox. How do I do it without
>> fetchmail?
>
> What's wrong with fetchmail? It's exactly what you need in
> your situation without a "real" MTA, perhaps you want to run
> fetchmail in daemon mode? It should be transparent to your
> users and you can use the same mailbox for local/internet
> mail. Sorry, but I still don't get your problem?
>

He doesn't seem to understand that SMTP and POP are different
protocols; different servers and clients.

To do what he wants, his local MTA (and I think you are mistaken
about it not being "real"... it's probably exim or postfix or
sendmail) needs to be on the Internet, with people outside his
intranet sending mail to addresses on it, not to the MTA/POP
servers at some ISP.

I too do not understand why he has a problem with fetchmail. For
POP it is excellent.

AC

Alan Connor <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in news:djeUd.6834$873.5886
@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> I too do not understand why he has a problem with fetchmail. For
> POP it is excellent.

I use fetchmail myself, to pull multiple accounts down to my local mail
server. For what the OP is asking for, fetchmail is the correct choice.

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:26:26 +0100, Math Lumala wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm currently using Exim mail server to send mail send local(local net
> to local net users) and internet mail. Then I use fetchmail to get pop
> mail for local users. But I wonder if there's mail server software
> in the "free world" that caters for both smtp and pop/imap in one
> package. It seems Exchange Server does this but it's windows software
> and nonfree. Any suggestions?
>

Surgemail includes smtp, pop and imap daemons, as well as a facility to
retrieve mail via pop from remote servers. Runs on Linux, FreeBSD,
Solaris, Windows, etc...

http://www.netwinsite.com/surgemail/index.htm

It is *not* open source, and is only "free" for non-commercial use, and 5
or less accounts.
I have used it on Windows, but have not run it on Linux...No need, as
postfix, fetchmail, dovecot do all I need and more. Surgemail seems to be
reasonably stable, but does not come close to my preferred solution for
performance or flexibility.

XMail sounds like it also does all you want, and is also cross-platform :
http://www.xmailserver.org/

It is released under the GPL. But I have not used it, so cannot comment
on how well it works.

As others have asked/commented, is there something specific you don't like
about the Exim/fetchmail combination ?


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Matt Payton wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:26:26 +0100, Math Lumala wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I'm currently using Exim mail server to send mail send local(local net
>>to local net users) and internet mail. Then I use fetchmail to get pop
>> mail for local users. But I wonder if there's mail server software
>>in the "free world" that caters for both smtp and pop/imap in one
>>package. It seems Exchange Server does this but it's windows software
>>and nonfree. Any suggestions?
>>
>
>
> Surgemail includes smtp, pop and imap daemons, as well as a facility to
> retrieve mail via pop from remote servers. Runs on Linux, FreeBSD,
> Solaris, Windows, etc...
>
> http://www.netwinsite.com/surgemail/index.htm
>
> It is *not* open source, and is only "free" for non-commercial use, and 5
> or less accounts.
> I have used it on Windows, but have not run it on Linux...No need, as
> postfix, fetchmail, dovecot do all I need and more. Surgemail seems to be
> reasonably stable, but does not come close to my preferred solution for
> performance or flexibility.
>
> XMail sounds like it also does all you want, and is also cross-platform :
> http://www.xmailserver.org/
>
> It is released under the GPL. But I have not used it, so cannot comment
> on how well it works.
>
> As others have asked/commented, is there something specific you don't like
> about the Exim/fetchmail combination ?
>
>
Thank you all for the information you've given. I'll look into the
proposed solutions including sticking to the exim/fetchmail combination.