Line fault - pair swap?

An ADSL engineer identified a problem with my line - a fault with an
underground cable that wasn't apparent to the non ADSL trained engineer.

As a solution he swapped my line for another line. The result is that my
line attenuation and line noise readings are much improved (and I don't lose
synch on phone ring or phone use so far but it is early hours).

But isn't the implication that someone else may now have my ADSL problem -
if not immediately then in the future?

Actually, now I think about it my problems started almost over night - it's
possible I suppose that I suffered as a result of someone else having their
line swapped for mine...

Gareth.

Gareth wrote:
> An ADSL engineer identified a problem with my line - a fault with an
> underground cable that wasn't apparent to the non ADSL trained
> engineer.
> As a solution he swapped my line for another line. The result is that
> my line attenuation and line noise readings are much improved (and I
> don't lose synch on phone ring or phone use so far but it is early
> hours).
> But isn't the implication that someone else may now have my ADSL
> problem - if not immediately then in the future?
>
> Actually, now I think about it my problems started almost over night
> - it's possible I suppose that I suffered as a result of someone else
> having their line swapped for mine...
>
> Gareth.

The chances are you've not just had a pair swap, but you've been swapped to
another cable as well & despite what certain other posters are trying to
insinuate they don't swap workers, they look for spare pairs....

As to whether it may affect somebody in the future, that will depend on
whether your old pair is marked up as unsuitable for digital services or
not...

>
> But isn't the implication that someone else may now have my ADSL problem -
> if not immediately then in the future?
>
> Actually, now I think about it my problems started almost over night -
it's
> possible I suppose that I suffered as a result of someone else having
their
> line swapped for mine...
>
> Gareth.


Keeps Kraftee and his colleagues gainfully employed though. ;-)


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Graham.


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"kraftee" <kraftee@spamoff& die.com> wrote in message
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> Gareth wrote:
>> An ADSL engineer identified a problem with my line - a fault with an
>> underground cable that wasn't apparent to the non ADSL trained
>> engineer.
>> As a solution he swapped my line for another line. The result is that
>> my line attenuation and line noise readings are much improved (and I
>> don't lose synch on phone ring or phone use so far but it is early
>> hours).
>> But isn't the implication that someone else may now have my ADSL
>> problem - if not immediately then in the future?
>>
>> Actually, now I think about it my problems started almost over night
>> - it's possible I suppose that I suffered as a result of someone else
>> having their line swapped for mine...
>>
>> Gareth.
>
> The chances are you've not just had a pair swap, but you've been swapped
> to another cable as well & despite what certain other posters are trying
> to insinuate they don't swap workers, they look for spare pairs....

Yes, he did mention that the cable had been swapped and that the cable I was
on was known to be problematic for ADSL.

> As to whether it may affect somebody in the future, that will depend on
> whether your old pair is marked up as unsuitable for digital services or
> not...

He explained that there would be no real problem using the old line for
voice calls but only for "digital services" (that was actually the term he
used).

Gareth.

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:38:55 -0000, Gareth <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
> "kraftee" <kraftee@spamoff& die.com> wrote in message
> news:41d33d97$0$44397$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Gareth wrote:
>>> An ADSL engineer identified a problem with my line - a fault with an
>>> underground cable that wasn't apparent to the non ADSL trained
>>> engineer.
>>> As a solution he swapped my line for another line. The result is that
>>> my line attenuation and line noise readings are much improved (and I
>>> don't lose synch on phone ring or phone use so far but it is early
>>> hours).
>>> But isn't the implication that someone else may now have my ADSL
>>> problem - if not immediately then in the future?
>>>
>>> Actually, now I think about it my problems started almost over night
>>> - it's possible I suppose that I suffered as a result of someone else
>>> having their line swapped for mine...
>>>
>>> Gareth.
>>
>> The chances are you've not just had a pair swap, but you've been swapped
>> to another cable as well & despite what certain other posters are trying
>> to insinuate they don't swap workers, they look for spare pairs....
>
> Yes, he did mention that the cable had been swapped and that the cable I
> was
> on was known to be problematic for ADSL.
>
>> As to whether it may affect somebody in the future, that will depend on
>> whether your old pair is marked up as unsuitable for digital services or
>> not...
>
> He explained that there would be no real problem using the old line for
> voice calls but only for "digital services" (that was actually the term
> he
> used).
>
> Gareth.
>
>

Hi,

It'll be likely that you were given an unused pair and that the old one is
now not being used. Maybe in the future someone will be allocated this
pair, but hopefully BT will have noted somewhere that if that person wants
ADSL to swap it.

With Regards,

Dave,
--
| Dave Tomlinson Broadband Solutions For
| Customer Support for Home & Business
| PlusNet plc @ http://www.plus.net
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PlusNet Support Team wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:38:55 -0000, Gareth <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>>
>> "kraftee" <kraftee@spamoff& die.com> wrote in message
>> news:41d33d97$0$44397$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Gareth wrote:
>>>> An ADSL engineer identified a problem with my line - a fault with
>>>> an underground cable that wasn't apparent to the non ADSL trained
>>>> engineer.
>>>> As a solution he swapped my line for another line. The result is
>>>> that my line attenuation and line noise readings are much improved
>>>> (and I don't lose synch on phone ring or phone use so far but it
>>>> is early hours).
>>>> But isn't the implication that someone else may now have my ADSL
>>>> problem - if not immediately then in the future?
>>>>
>>>> Actually, now I think about it my problems started almost over
>>>> night - it's possible I suppose that I suffered as a result of
>>>> someone else having their line swapped for mine...
>>>>
>>>> Gareth.
>>>
>>> The chances are you've not just had a pair swap, but you've been
>>> swapped to another cable as well & despite what certain other
>>> posters are trying to insinuate they don't swap workers, they look
>>> for spare pairs....
>>
>> Yes, he did mention that the cable had been swapped and that the
>> cable I was
>> on was known to be problematic for ADSL.
>>
>>> As to whether it may affect somebody in the future, that will
>>> depend on whether your old pair is marked up as unsuitable for
>>> digital services or not...
>>
>> He explained that there would be no real problem using the old line
>> for voice calls but only for "digital services" (that was actually
>> the term he
>> used).
>>
>> Gareth.
>>
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> It'll be likely that you were given an unused pair and that the old
> one is now not being used. Maybe in the future someone will be
> allocated this pair, but hopefully BT will have noted somewhere that
> if that person wants ADSL to swap it.
>

Well it'll most probably be the DSL engineer who swaps....

There is one problem with this scenario & that is that with some PCP's there
is only 1, maybe 2 cables which are DSL suitable, once they get filled
what's BT going to do. In fact there are 2 small local rural exchanges
where this has happened on some of their PCP's already ........

& off course if there is a cable fault, all the eggs are in the one
basket.....

How do you get noise/attenuation data?

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> How do you get noise/attenuation data?

Some modems provide the data as part of their firmware functionality. Other
than that I don't think it's possible to get it as an end user but I'm
probably wrong.

Gareth.

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:15:09 -0000, Gareth <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> How do you get noise/attenuation data?
>
> Some modems provide the data as part of their firmware functionality.
> Other
> than that I don't think it's possible to get it as an end user but I'm
> probably wrong.
>
> Gareth.
>
>

Hi,


Your ISP may be able to do a Woosh test to determine the loss figures, but
unfortunately not the SNR.


With Regards,

Dave,
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| Customer Support for Home & Business
| PlusNet plc @ http://www.plus.net
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On 30 Dec 2004 11:29:05 -0800, (E-Mail Removed) wrote in
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> How do you get noise/attenuation data?

If you are using a Connexant Access Runner PCI or USB modem, you load the
control panel and then press the ALT key along with the P key. One of the
10 tabs seen is "Physical Layer Statistics". There you'll see for both up
and down, "Noise Margin" "Attenuation" "CRC Errors" and "HEC Errors"

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Mike T