Laptop + Wireless + Concrete wall.

Hello,

Chrismast dinner is in the stomach or shitted out and ofcourse we chatted,
my mother and I... and things are about to get serious because I offered my
mammie to take her to an electronics/computer store on tuesday which is
tomorrow... so it's a bit short notice but I think it's ok, if we can't
decide then we will postpone me thinks !

Currently I am looking into options and the latest and greatest laptop
processor seems to be either an intel icore 5 or amd phentom II (I am bit
suspicious of these processors since one laptop with an icore5 was turned
off when I visitted the store while all others where on (went to buy a
shaver))

Where they trying to save it ? Save power ? Save electricity ? Was there
something wrong with it... I don't know..

What I do know is:

The processor should be 64 bit and have windows 7 in 64 bit coming with it,
because that's the pretty near future... so no 32 bit operating system for
my mother... 32 bit is dead and won't be supported for much longer by
Microsoft. So that's for certain.

I would prefer the phentom II because it has sse 4a which I consider to be
more important for general purpose compression... but maybe sse 4.1a from
intel is also kinda nice for video. So I am still a bit in a doubt about
that.

What I am mostly concerned about is a wireless router + wireless support in
a laptop.

Now perhaps I could make a cable from the basement to the ground floor but I
am not sure if my mother wants a cable running through her hallway...

Currently the internet cable goes through a plastic pipe up the attic and
back down again into the "computer room", which is upstairs. My mum doesn't
want to go up the stairs anymore just to view the e-mail or internet which
is understandable...

So I/we were thinking about using a wireless router for now, until maybe I
can sort out if a cable option is possible... perhaps drilling more holes...
which might be nice for future as cable will probably offer higher and more
reliable speed without health dangers... I estimate my mother might have at
least 10 year to live and probably 20 years max... so that's a long time...
I hope so...

I do want her to experience better computing especially screen-wise, so
perhaps laptop not the best choice... but a big clunky computer in the
living room ain't her style.

Anyway this means the wireless signal will have to travel through at least:
2 centimeter of wood or so, 1 centimeter of glue, 20 to 40 centimeters of
hard concreet. Perhaps the concreet is even "re-inforced concreet" which
means metal bars could be running through it... but probably not... those
only in the basement.

So the question is:

What wireless router can go through 40 centimeters of though concrete ?!?!?
(plus a bit of wood, glue and perhaps plastics).

Currently Wireless N seems to be all the rage... but I would like it to
support Wireless G as well in case anybody else comes there and wants to use
internet as well...

I have seen some router reviews and user comments but none so far are
statisfieing to them or me... (I am just starting to look into this
though... )

Bye,
Skybuck.

Oh yeah one more little detail...

Wireless router has to work with skype, since that is used sometimes as well
by mammie and certain other people like probably family members

Bye,
Skybuck.

"Skybuck Flying" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Oh yeah one more little detail...
>
> Wireless router has to work with skype, since that is used sometimes as
> well by mammie and certain other people like probably family members
>
>
> Bye,
> Skybuck.
>
Skype has nothing to do with it....
Routers come in two flavours- cable or telephone line - get the right one!
Get a 'high power' router + high power wireless card for the laptop.
Can only tell you about netgear...
http://www.netgear.com/home/products.../WNDR3400.aspx

should go through a certain amount of concrete,not directly, but via
windows, doors, glass etc.

"TTman" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "Skybuck Flying" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:76a01$4d186801$54190f09$(E-Mail Removed) .home.nl...
>> Oh yeah one more little detail...
>>
>> Wireless router has to work with skype, since that is used sometimes as
>> well by mammie and certain other people like probably family
>> members
>>
>> Bye,
>> Skybuck.
>>
> Skype has nothing to do with it....

I'm not so sure about that...

If skype uses tcp/ip or udp... and the router does NAT... then I can imagine
some sort of problem...

I saw at least one user comment mention that some routers have problems with
"voip"... and thus could include skype and I think skype was mentioned
too...

> Routers come in two flavours- cable or telephone line - get the right one!

Good tip. With cable you mean utp ?

> Get a 'high power' router + high power wireless card for the laptop.

That's what wireless N is for ?

> Can only tell you about netgear...
> http://www.netgear.com/home/products.../WNDR3400.aspx
>
> should go through a certain amount of concrete,not directly, but via
> windows, doors, glass etc.

Hmm not much use I'm afraid... it will have to go through concrete
directly... at least floor/ceiling, and perhaps also walls if place on floor
level.

I might give it a try anyway.

Bye,
Skybuck.

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:26:38 -0500, "Peter Pan" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>
>"Jeff Liebermann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:06:17 -0800 (PST), mpm <(E-Mail Removed)>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Skybuck specifically said he wanted a router that could go through
>>>wood.
>>
>> The Subject line says concrete, but I suspect that there are those
>> that have trouble recognizing the difference.
>> <http://www.google.com/images?q=wood+grain+concrete>
>>
>>>I know Sears, Black & Decker, Dewalt, and Ryobi make several good
>>>ones....
>>
>> That's just step one. Please suggest that he install a passive
>> repeater on both sides of the hole. That's where you mount an antenna
>> on each side of the wall, with a coax cable in between. It's suppose
>> to pass RF through the wall via the coax. Something like this:
>> <http://www.tntdiscount.info/passive_rep.php>
>> The reason I want you to suggest it is so I have an excuse to
>> calculate and explain (again) why it's generally a lousy idea.
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Liebermann (E-Mail Removed)
>> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
>> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>
>actually i read it as BOTH (wood AND concrete, sounds like wood on
>concrete....)

He wanted to go through his head? How about a .357?

>> Anyway this means the wireless signal will have to travel through at
>> least:
>> 2 centimeter of wood or so, 1 centimeter of glue, 20 to 40 centimeters of
>> hard concreet. Perhaps the concreet is even "re-inforced concreet" which
>> means metal bars could be running through it...
>

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:11:20 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

snip
>
>That's just step one. Please suggest that he install a passive
>repeater on both sides of the hole. That's where you mount an antenna
>on each side of the wall, with a coax cable in between. It's suppose
>to pass RF through the wall via the coax. Something like this:
><http://www.tntdiscount.info/passive_rep.php>
>The reason I want you to suggest it is so I have an excuse to
>calculate and explain (again) why it's generally a lousy idea.

Jeff, I'd like to hear more about why this is a lousy idea. (sorry I
seem to have missed when you explained previously). My News supplier
(Newsguy) has pretty good retention, so a clue as to when it was
posted should work.

--
Charlie Hoffpauir

Everything is what it is because it got that way....D'Arcy Thompson

I had to play "tron evolution" so it was postponed until today

It's now morning and maybe we go take a looksy today

It's a good thing too.. because now I am pretty sure that intel core i5 is
probably better choice than amd phenom II... because intel core i5 has sse
4.1 and sse 4.2 which has some interesting new instructions as well.

Though perhaps the website I saw was a lie... perhaps intel core i5 only
supports 4.1 ???

Hmm...

Bye,
Skybuck.

Went with mammie yesterday:

1. Mammie liked expensive sony laptop with superior non glossy LCD screen,
laptop costed 1700 euro's ! ouch... way to advenced for her but ok.

2. Mammie also liked other sony laptop which was more cheap 800 euro, had
glossy screen.

3. Mammie also liked All-In-One Monitor+PC build into one. Her only fear was
that it would fall over... well seen by mammie. Regular monitors are more
stable in that way.

4. Mammie also saw ipad and me too, funny little device. But too tiny and no
keyboard, though could be bought seperatly but a bit stupid... I am
wondering what it would be like an ipad in bed Maybe I would get
extremely lazy and stay in bed all the time lol.

5. I also saw belkin internet-via-powerline device, but a quick google
learned that it could produce radio frequencies/interference... from a
user's comment... hmm.

6. Netgear 3700 router was sold out, netgear 2000 router was available.

All devices have wireless.

All devices were pretty recent processor and graphics wise... dual core duo
tot icore5 and icore7 (the expensive sony), athlon x2 260 or something.

Mammie now has to think what she will get... she seems to be wanting a
laptop.

If she does by one it will probably be the number 2... sony.

She also extremely liked a sort of docking station for the sony... it's not
a docking station... but some kind of thing that can be placed under the
sony to elevate the laptop it also has speakers which sound much better...
unfortunately it was only available in white... and unfortunately the laptop
that she wanted was also sold out or not in stock yet... kinda funny since
all other laptops where in stock, (she had no idea about that up front).

Personal notes:

I'm getting some cool looking glasses, but I also had a second little heart
attack, which I will probably go see the doctor soon... I am still rather
young... but I don't know how much longer I will be around !

So maybe this will be one of my last messages and you will never know what
it ultimately became or whatever... but I hope not... I hope I will be
around here for much longer... fingers crossed.

Bye,
Skybuck.

Skybuck Flying schreef :
> Hello,
>
> Chrismast dinner is in the stomach or shitted out and ofcourse we chatted, my
> mother and I... and things are about to get serious because I offered my
> mammie to take her to an electronics/computer store on tuesday which is
> tomorrow... so it's a bit short notice but I think it's ok, if we can't
> decide then we will postpone me thinks !
>
> Currently I am looking into options and the latest and greatest laptop
> processor seems to be either an intel icore 5 or amd phentom II (I am bit
> suspicious of these processors since one laptop with an icore5 was turned off
> when I visitted the store while all others where on (went to buy a shaver))
>
> Where they trying to save it ? Save power ? Save electricity ? Was there
> something wrong with it... I don't know..
>
> What I do know is:
>
> The processor should be 64 bit and have windows 7 in 64 bit coming with it,
> because that's the pretty near future... so no 32 bit operating system for my
> mother... 32 bit is dead and won't be supported for much longer by Microsoft.
> So that's for certain.
>
> I would prefer the phentom II because it has sse 4a which I consider to be
> more important for general purpose compression... but maybe sse 4.1a from
> intel is also kinda nice for video. So I am still a bit in a doubt about
> that.
>
> What I am mostly concerned about is a wireless router + wireless support in a
> laptop.
>
> Now perhaps I could make a cable from the basement to the ground floor but I
> am not sure if my mother wants a cable running through her hallway...
>
> Currently the internet cable goes through a plastic pipe up the attic and
> back down again into the "computer room", which is upstairs. My mum doesn't
> want to go up the stairs anymore just to view the e-mail or internet which is
> understandable...
>
> So I/we were thinking about using a wireless router for now, until maybe I
> can sort out if a cable option is possible... perhaps drilling more holes...
> which might be nice for future as cable will probably offer higher and more
> reliable speed without health dangers... I estimate my mother might have at
> least 10 year to live and probably 20 years max... so that's a long time... I
> hope so...
>
> I do want her to experience better computing especially screen-wise, so
> perhaps laptop not the best choice... but a big clunky computer in the living
> room ain't her style.
>
> Anyway this means the wireless signal will have to travel through at least:
> 2 centimeter of wood or so, 1 centimeter of glue, 20 to 40 centimeters of
> hard concreet. Perhaps the concreet is even "re-inforced concreet" which
> means metal bars could be running through it... but probably not... those
> only in the basement.
>
> So the question is:
>
> What wireless router can go through 40 centimeters of though concrete ?!?!?
> (plus a bit of wood, glue and perhaps plastics).
>
> Currently Wireless N seems to be all the rage... but I would like it to
> support Wireless G as well in case anybody else comes there and wants to use
> internet as well...
>
> I have seen some router reviews and user comments but none so far are
> statisfieing to them or me... (I am just starting to look into this though...
> )
>
> Bye,
> Skybuck.

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