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Justice
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      12-13-2005, 07:00 PM
ok, I have a small LAN @ home It consists of 1 gateway/firewall/router
and 2 workstations. we are using 10.X.X.X. My friend came over and
pluged in his wix XP box. set it up as 10.0.0.13 wich is not being used
subnet of 255.255.255.0 and gateway was the gateway(sorry not putting
adress here). he could not acsess any thing according to properties he
was sending but not reviving. sorry for the bad discription, as I am new
to networking as well as linux. Also the server is a P2 350 running
debain 3.1 r4. any ideas?

TIA
 
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      12-13-2005, 08:05 PM
Did you set the dns server address on the xp box?

Can he ping the router or other hosts on the network?

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      12-14-2005, 07:05 PM
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.networking,
in article <xLFnf.203770$Io.102152@clgrps13>, Justice wrote:

>ok, I have a small LAN @ home It consists of 1 gateway/firewall/router
>and 2 workstations. we are using 10.X.X.X.


On one of the workstations: '/sbin/ifconfig -a' '/sbin/route -n' and
'cat /etc/resolv.conf'. Newbies tend to not understand the specifics
of the numbers presented, and make mistakes.

>My friend came over and pluged in his wix XP box. set it up as 10.0.0.13
>wich is not being used subnet of 255.255.255.0


Is that the same netmask that shows up in the 'ifconfig' and 'route' data?

>and gateway was the gateway(sorry not putting adress here).


The gateway will be another address on the 10.x.x.x network, and noone cares
what it is, as it is not reachable from the Internet. (A million people use
that address range - which one are you? That's why it's blocked at the ISP
level.) It will NOT be 198.53.233.79 or similar.

>he could not acsess any thing


What is in his HOSTS file? What names you use on your 10.x.x.x network,
are unknown to any name server elsewhere. This also means that _your_
/etc/hosts files (on all three computers) need to have the appropriate
information in them. Is he able to resolve common Internet names like
www.google.com? How about using the IP address instead of the name (use
'ping -c 1 www.google.com to get they address they are using at the moment).
If not, his network setup is in error - likely a gateway problem. In not
by name, but the IP method works, the loose-box has no working name servers
listed. It could also be a firewall problem if you are only allowing
traffic from the exact IP addresses you have assigned. '/sbin/iptables -Ln'
on the router should show the rules.

>according to properties he was sending but not reviving.


Using 'tcpdump' on your router might tell you what problems are occurring.
Hopefully, he's trying to use standard network protocols and not the toy
microsoft imitations (network neighborhood only works when you are running
Samba).

>sorry for the bad discription, as I am new to networking as well as linux.
>Also the server is a P2 350 running debain 3.1 r4. any ideas?


People can't read your mind, so you do have to show information as above.
On your 'gateway/firewall/router' box, you don't need to show the IP
address assigned to the Internet interface, as that isn't important to
the problem (I'm assuming you can reach the Internet from your workstations,
so that rules out a basic problem there). As far as security/paranoia is
concerned, your 10.x.x.x addresses are meaningless to the world, but may
be meaningful to your problem.

-rw-rw-r-- 1 gferg ldp 40490 Jun 22 2000 Home-Network-mini-HOWTO
-rw-rw-r-- 1 gferg ldp 17605 Jul 21 2004 Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO
-rw-rw-r-- 1 gferg ldp 203891 Sep 29 2004 NET3-4-HOWTO
-rw-rw-r-- 1 gferg ldp 45620 Jul 10 2000 Networking-Overview-HOWTO

Should be on your system, probably in /usr/share/HOWTO/.

Old guy
 
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Justice
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      12-14-2005, 07:22 PM
Moe Trin wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.networking,
> in article <xLFnf.203770$Io.102152@clgrps13>, Justice wrote:
>
>
>>ok, I have a small LAN @ home It consists of 1 gateway/firewall/router
>>and 2 workstations. we are using 10.X.X.X.

>
>
> On one of the workstations: '/sbin/ifconfig -a' '/sbin/route -n' and
> 'cat /etc/resolv.conf'. Newbies tend to not understand the specifics
> of the numbers presented, and make mistakes.
>
>
>>My friend came over and pluged in his wix XP box. set it up as 10.0.0.13
>>wich is not being used subnet of 255.255.255.0

>
>
> Is that the same netmask that shows up in the 'ifconfig' and 'route' data?
>
>
>>and gateway was the gateway(sorry not putting adress here).

>
>
> The gateway will be another address on the 10.x.x.x network, and noone cares
> what it is, as it is not reachable from the Internet. (A million people use
> that address range - which one are you? That's why it's blocked at the ISP
> level.) It will NOT be 198.53.233.79 or similar.
>
>
>>he could not acsess any thing

>
>
> What is in his HOSTS file? What names you use on your 10.x.x.x network,
> are unknown to any name server elsewhere. This also means that _your_
> /etc/hosts files (on all three computers) need to have the appropriate
> information in them. Is he able to resolve common Internet names like
> www.google.com? How about using the IP address instead of the name (use
> 'ping -c 1 www.google.com to get they address they are using at the moment).
> If not, his network setup is in error - likely a gateway problem. In not
> by name, but the IP method works, the loose-box has no working name servers
> listed. It could also be a firewall problem if you are only allowing
> traffic from the exact IP addresses you have assigned. '/sbin/iptables -Ln'
> on the router should show the rules.
>
>
>>according to properties he was sending but not reviving.

>
>
> Using 'tcpdump' on your router might tell you what problems are occurring.
> Hopefully, he's trying to use standard network protocols and not the toy
> microsoft imitations (network neighborhood only works when you are running
> Samba).
>
>
>>sorry for the bad discription, as I am new to networking as well as linux.
>>Also the server is a P2 350 running debain 3.1 r4. any ideas?

>
>
> People can't read your mind, so you do have to show information as above.
> On your 'gateway/firewall/router' box, you don't need to show the IP
> address assigned to the Internet interface, as that isn't important to
> the problem (I'm assuming you can reach the Internet from your workstations,
> so that rules out a basic problem there). As far as security/paranoia is
> concerned, your 10.x.x.x addresses are meaningless to the world, but may
> be meaningful to your problem.
>
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 gferg ldp 40490 Jun 22 2000 Home-Network-mini-HOWTO
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 gferg ldp 17605 Jul 21 2004 Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 gferg ldp 203891 Sep 29 2004 NET3-4-HOWTO
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 gferg ldp 45620 Jul 10 2000 Networking-Overview-HOWTO
>
> Should be on your system, probably in /usr/share/HOWTO/.
>
> Old guy

ok, my gateway allows all 10.x.x.x in hosts.allow, the dns is the one
telus gives us, and we could not ping or he could not ping. google no
good eather. nothing. My roomates xp box was just type in the numbers
and it worked.
 
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