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will 18
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      10-15-2006, 07:13 PM
Evening all... clueless newbie seeks help...
I have 2 linux boxes I wish to connect as a LAN: the 'ping' output from
either box produces 'dest. host unreachable'. I am missing something
fundamental but don't know what. It seems to me that packets are being
TX'd and RX'd but the respective hosts don't recognise them (hardware
seems ok). After 3 weeks grief, RTFM (several) and lurking here I'm still
none the wiser. Perhaps less so. Apologies for the verbose post, but I
hoped to avoid having to re-post with details.

Box A
opaline: Slackware 8.0 / 2.4.19

/etc/hosts:
127.0.0.1 localhost
192.168.0.2 opaline.nonesuch.net opaline
192.168.0.3 vulcan.nonesuch.net vulcan

/etc/networks:
loopback 127.0.0.0
nonesuch.net 192.168.0.0

/sbin/route:
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
nonesuch.net * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
loopback * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo

/sbin/route -n:
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
nonesuch.net * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
loopback * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo

/sbin/route -n:
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo

/sbin/ifconfig (pre-ping):
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:C0:69:81:64
inet addr:192.168.0.2 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
Interrupt:3 Base address:0x250 Memory:cc000-d0000

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0

RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)

bash-2.05$ ping -v vulcan
PING vulcan.nonesuch.net (192.168.0.3): 56 octets data
92 octets from opaline.nonesuch.net (192.168.0.2): Destination Host
Unreachable
Vr HL TOS Len ID Flg off TTL Pro cks Src Dst Data
4 5 00 5400 0000 0 0040 40 01 53b9 192.168.0.2 192.168.0.3

--- vulcan.nonesuch.net ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss

/sbin/ifconfig (after 'ping vulcan'):
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:C0:69:81:64
inet addr:192.168.0.2 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:360 (360.0 b)

Interrupt:3 Base address:0x250 Memory:cc000-d0000

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0

/sbin/ifconfig (post-ping from vulcan):
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:C0:69:81:64
inet addr:192.168.0.2 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:6 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:360 (360.0 b)
Interrupt:3 Base address:0x250 Memory:cc000-d0000

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:448 (448.0 b) TX bytes:448 (448.0 b)


Box B
vulcan: Slackware 10.2 / 2.4.32

/etc/hosts:
127.0.0.1 localhost
192.168.0.2 opaline.nonesuch.net opaline
192.168.0.3 vulcan.nonesuch.net vulcan

/etc/networks:
loopback 127.0.0.0
nonesuch.net 192.168.0.0

/sbin/route:
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
nonesuch.net * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
loopback * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo

/sbin/route -n:
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo

/sbin/ifconfig (pre-ping):
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:F2:C3:BB:0E
inet addr:192.168.0.3 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
Interrupt:23 Base address:0xa000

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:100 (100.0 b) TX bytes:100 (100.0 b)

/sbin/ifconfig (post-ping from opaline):
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:F2:C3:BB:0E
inet addr:192.168.0.3 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:180 (180.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
Interrupt:23 Base address:0xa000

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:100 (100.0 b) TX bytes:100 (100.0 b)

ping opaline:
PING opaline.nonesuch.net (192.168.0.2) 56(84) bytes of data.
From vulcan.nonesuch.net (192.168.0.3) icmp_seq=1 Destination Host
Unreachable

--- opaline.nonesuch.net ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 0 received, +3 errors, 100% packet loss, time
2999ms

/sbin/ifconfig (after 'ping opaline'):
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:F2:C3:BB:0E
inet addr:192.168.0.3 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:180 (180.0 b) TX bytes:252 (252.0 b)
Interrupt:23 Base address:0xa000

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:548 (548.0 b) TX bytes:548 (548.0 b)

I would be very grateful if anyone could tell me where I'm going wrong.

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Jeroen Geilman
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      10-15-2006, 10:06 PM
will 18 wrote:
> Evening all... clueless newbie seeks help...
> I have 2 linux boxes I wish to connect as a LAN: the 'ping' output from
> either box produces 'dest. host unreachable'. I am missing something
> fundamental but don't know what. It seems to me that packets are being
> TX'd and RX'd but the respective hosts don't recognise them (hardware
> seems ok). After 3 weeks grief, RTFM (several) and lurking here I'm still
> none the wiser. Perhaps less so. Apologies for the verbose post, but I
> hoped to avoid having to re-post with details.
>
> Box A
> opaline: Slackware 8.0 / 2.4.19


This is old.. way old.
Still, no reason why it won't do IP.

> /etc/hosts:
> 127.0.0.1 localhost
> 192.168.0.2 opaline.nonesuch.net opaline
> 192.168.0.3 vulcan.nonesuch.net vulcan


Good.

> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
> nonesuch.net * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
> loopback * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo


You have no default route set, but in itself, this is not a problem.

> /sbin/ifconfig (pre-ping):
> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:C0:69:81:64
> inet addr:192.168.0.2 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
> RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
> Interrupt:3 Base address:0x250 Memory:cc000-d0000


Looks good.

> /sbin/ifconfig (after 'ping vulcan'):
> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:C0:69:81:64
> inet addr:192.168.0.2 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> TX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
> RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:360 (360.0 b)


Well, at least it tried

> /sbin/ifconfig (post-ping from vulcan):
> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:C0:69:81:64
> inet addr:192.168.0.2 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
> RX packets:0 errors:6 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0


And this failed - that's a definite Clue(tm)

> Box B
> vulcan: Slackware 10.2 / 2.4.32


> /sbin/ifconfig (post-ping from opaline):
> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:F2:C3:BB:0E
> inet addr:192.168.0.3 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
> RX packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0


3 packets received! You must be beside yourself...

> I would be very grateful if anyone could tell me where I'm going wrong.


Have you tried swapping out the NIC from box B with one that's known to
work ?

It looks like it's broken...

In the first case, it doesn't return any packets, and in the second, box
A receives them as errors.

Also check the cable between them, since the wires from B to A may be
faulty (intermittent errors tend to be more a result of cabling than
hardware issues.)


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      10-15-2006, 10:40 PM
will 18 wrote:
> Evening all... clueless newbie seeks help...
> I have 2 linux boxes I wish to connect as a LAN: the 'ping' output from
> either box produces 'dest. host unreachable'. I am missing something
> fundamental but don't know what. It seems to me that packets are being
> TX'd and RX'd but the respective hosts don't recognise them (hardware
> seems ok). After 3 weeks grief, RTFM (several) and lurking here I'm still
> none the wiser. Perhaps less so. Apologies for the verbose post, but I
> hoped to avoid having to re-post with details.


Your boxes don't see one another. Are they physically connected the
correct way (i.e. with a crossover cable or with straight through cables
through a hub or switch)?

Robert

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      10-16-2006, 09:44 AM

"will 18" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Evening all... clueless newbie seeks help...
> I have 2 linux boxes I wish to connect as a LAN: the 'ping' output from
> either box produces 'dest. host unreachable'. I am missing something
> fundamental but don't know what. It seems to me that packets are being
> TX'd and RX'd but the respective hosts don't recognise them (hardware
> seems ok). After 3 weeks grief, RTFM (several) and lurking here I'm still
> none the wiser. Perhaps less so. Apologies for the verbose post, but I
> hoped to avoid having to re-post with details.
> ..


If you want to directly connect two machines with one cable, you need to use
a cross-over cable. Otherwise you need two cables, each leading to a router
or hub. The router/hub does the work of switching the internal wires within
the cable.


 
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      10-16-2006, 08:08 PM
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.networking, in
article <(E-Mail Removed)>, will 18 wrote:

>opaline: Slackware 8.0 / 2.4.19


Ancient - consider replacing it.

>192.168.0.2 opaline.nonesuch.net opaline


Minor - please don't grab domain names out of mid-air. A domain-squatter
actually has registered 'nonesuch.net'

>/sbin/route -n:


OK

>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:C0:69:81:64


[compton ~]$ etherwhois 00:00:C0
00-00-C0 (hex) WESTERN DIGITAL CORPORATION
0000C0 (base 16) WESTERN DIGITAL CORPORATION
8105 IRVINE CENTER DRIVE
IRVINE CA 92718
UNITED STATES
[compton ~]$

Oh, boy. Care to enlighten us as to which antique that is?

> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> TX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> collisions:0 txqueuelen:100


Transmitting OK

> RX packets:0 errors:6 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> TX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0


But not receiving

>vulcan: Slackware 10.2 / 2.4.32


OK

>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:F2:C3:BB:0E


[compton ~]$ etherwhois 00:15:F2
00-15-F2 (hex) ASUSTek COMPUTER INC.
0015F2 (base 16) ASUSTek COMPUTER INC.
No.5 Shing Yeh Street,Kwei Shan Hsiang,Taoyuan
Taipei 333
TAIWAN, REPUBLIC OF CHINA
[compton ~]$

Which one? Look at /var/log/messages and see what it says about this card
during boot. Pay attention to the mode and speed. Do the same on the other
system.

>I would be very grateful if anyone could tell me where I'm going wrong.


Not quite enough details. Which cards? How connected?

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      10-17-2006, 10:36 AM
Jeroen Geilman <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking
>
> will 18 wrote:
>> Evening all... clueless newbie seeks help...
>>
>> Box A
>> opaline: Slackware 8.0 / 2.4.19

>
> This is old.. way old.

yes, but it runs my ISA bus Ensoniq Elite s/card, discrete transistor
output stage... I use csound a lot
> Still, no reason why it won't do IP.

relief!
<snip>
>
> You have no default route set, but in itself, this is not a problem.
>

I wondered about that. Eventually I intend to try a broadband connection
via a router, so I suppose this would be the host-config'd-as-router, i.e.
my current dialup ip addr (212.228.34.45) ? Wanted to get the lan
organised first to avoid further complications.
<snip>
>
> Have you tried swapping out the NIC from box B with one that's known to
> work ?
>
> It looks like it's broken...
>

Seems I've misread the signals. Obviously now the errors are reported at
NIC level so it's a h/w problem not s/ware config (although I can't yet
rule that out!).
>

<snip>
>
> Also check the cable between them,

<snip>
Unlikely. new Mercury 5-port switch plus new LAN cables. Will be getting
new NIC and cable (eventually I need 3 boxes hooked together, but
the 2 will do for now).
BTW, Box A card is ancient ISA bus SMC/WD job I was given, Box B is
onboard and new, that explains a lot.
Thank you for taking time to interpret my post; I was unsure of how to
interpret the ping results.
Apols for delay, said clueless newbie did 'reply mail' insterad of 'post'
so it bounced...
>
>
> J.


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      10-17-2006, 10:48 AM
Moe Trin <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking
>
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.networking, in
> article <(E-Mail Removed)>, will 18 wrote:
>

<snip>
>>opaline: Slackware 8.0 / 2.4.19

>
> Ancient - consider replacing it.
>

Box is heading for retirement, but has my only net connection for now and
years' worth of installed sound software and noises... replicating my
req'd environment on Box B will take time.
The OS actually started as Slackware '96 so has had a few upgrades
>
> Minor - please don't grab domain names out of mid-air. A domain-squatter
> actually has registered 'nonesuch.net'
>

Woops - sorry - didn't think. Should I do a 'whois' on a proposed name for
it or is there some recognised method ob deriving one?
>

<snip>
> Oh, boy. Care to enlighten us as to which antique that is?

Box A (Slack 8.0)
wd.c:v1.10 9/23/94 Donald Becker ((E-Mail Removed))
eth0: WD80x3 at 0x240, 00 00 C0 69 81 64 WD8013, IRQ3, shared memory at
0xcc000-0xcffff

I presumed this is the card referred to in the ethernet HOWTO, SMC/WD8013
in fact as I recall it's the same as the example they quote
'SMC/WD8013-EWC' - I looked for the FCC ID to try to identify it as per
instructions and was surprised to find it the same. S'pose it was common
at the time.
<snip>
>
> Which one? Look at /var/log/messages and see what it says about this card
> during boot. Pay attention to the mode and speed. Do the same on the other
> system.

via-rhine.c:v1.10-LK1.1.19 July-12-2003 Written by Donald Becker
http://www.scyld.com/network/via-rhine.html
eth0: VIA VT6102 Rhine-II at 0xa000, 00:15:f2:c3:bb:0e, IRQ 23.
eth0: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x7849 advertising 01e1 Link
0000.

after this, interestingly,
Oct 17 00:53:52 vulcan logger: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1: eth0 is already up,
skipping

I don't know what's bringing the interface up, but my config info is in
the /etc/rc.rc.inet1.conf read by rc.inet1. I'm using '/sbin/modprobe
via-rhine' in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules to bring the card up, so 1) is this
what's bringing eth0 up and 2) is it ignoring my rc.inet1 config? This has
(for eth0)

IPADDR[0]="192.168.0.3"
NETMASK[0]="255.255.255.0"

Can't find anything regarding modes or speeds.
>
> Not quite enough details. Which cards? How connected?
>

Hope I've given enough info on cards. Boxes connected with standard LAN
cables with the phone-connector-type plugs (don't know what they're
called) via a Mercury 5-port switch, box says 'kobian.com' and little
else.
Sorry for the delay, not used ngs, already failed to reply once, hope this
appears; learning (slowly, sigh).
> Old guy


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      10-17-2006, 01:54 PM
Jeroen Geilman <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> Box A
>> opaline: Slackware 8.0 / 2.4.19

>
> This is old.. way old.

yes, but it runs my ISA bus Ensoniq Elite s/card, discrete transistor
output stage... I use csound a lot
> Still, no reason why it won't do IP.

relief!
<snip>
>
> You have no default route set, but in itself, this is not a problem.
>

I wondered about that. Eventually I intend to try a broadband connection
via a router, so I suppose this would be the host-config'd-as-router, i.e.
my current dialup ip addr (212.228.34.45) ? Wanted to get the lan
organised first to avoid further complications.
<snip>
>
> Have you tried swapping out the NIC from box B with one that's known to
> work ?
>
> It looks like it's broken...
>

Seems I've misread the signals. Obviously now the errors are reported at
NIC level so it's a h/w problem not s/ware config (although I can't yet
rule that out!).
>
> In the first case, it doesn't return any packets, and in the second, box
> A receives them as errors.
>
> Also check the cable between them,

<snip>
Unlikely. new Mercury 5-port switch plus new LAN cables. Will be getting
new NIC and cable tomorrow (eventually I need 3 boxes hooked together, but
the 2 will do for now).
BTW, Box A card is ancient ISA bus SMC/WD job I was given, Box B is
onboard and new, that explains a lot.
Thank you for taking time to interpret my post; I was unsure of how to
interpret the ping results.

Also I have found out you have to do 'followup' to a reply... hence the
delay...
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      10-17-2006, 07:24 PM
will 18 wrote:
> Moe Trin <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:


>> Minor - please don't grab domain names out of mid-air. A domain-squatter
>> actually has registered 'nonesuch.net'
>>

> Woops - sorry - didn't think. Should I do a 'whois' on a proposed name for
> it or is there some recognised method ob deriving one?


Of course there is - use a non-existing TLD, like .local, or .home.

Personally, I see no problem with using a real domain name, as long as
you know enough about DNS not to route it outside your LAN.
(Bind has an excellent "view" option for precisely this purpose.)


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      10-17-2006, 07:29 PM
will 18 wrote:
> Jeroen Geilman <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:


>> Have you tried swapping out the NIC from box B with one that's known to
>> work ?
>> It looks like it's broken...
>>

> Seems I've misread the signals. Obviously now the errors are reported at
> NIC level so it's a h/w problem not s/ware config (although I can't yet
> rule that out!).


Yes, you can.
Unless the cards aren't recognised or supported by your Linux kernel -
and they obviously are, since you have working interfaces.
Any problems with Tx or Rx would still be related to NIC hardware.

> <snip>
>> Also check the cable between them,

> <snip>
> Unlikely.


Irrelevant
It. may. be. the. cause.
I've seen it happen more than I care to remember - after a time you
learn to check this one *early*... since it is easy to check.

> Thank you for taking time to interpret my post; I was unsure of how to
> interpret the ping results.


No problem; the trick is visualising what happens to Ethernet traffic -
both on the wire and in your PC.
In this case, it was fairly obvious that since box A was sending okay
and receiving *some* of the packets from B, it was box B that has
problems with sending packets.


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