Keeping neighbors at bay

I'm sure this is an easy question, I just couldn't find an answer in
here. How do you keep your neighbor from using your printer,
internet, etc? I know about WEP and changing passwords, etc...but is
there like a whitelist of approved MAC addresses or something that I
can set up to only allow on the network? Is my only option changing
passwords and checking a WEP box? Also, should I just get a Microsoft
router since they are cheap? Does G provide that much better range
for the money? Are 2.4 phones a big interference issue? Thanks

Do you want much better range?
How big is your house anyway?
Do you want more neighbors or fewer neighbors to try to hack in?
2.4 phones can be an issue. So was my 900 mhz phone.
G is better security, and faster
Yes you can set up MAC addresses, but that too can be hacked.
I think you should let your neighbor use your printer. If you dont like that
idea, there are ways to attach a footer message on every page that says what
an ass he is! That will discourage him!



"Scott" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I'm sure this is an easy question, I just couldn't find an answer in
> here. How do you keep your neighbor from using your printer,
> internet, etc? I know about WEP and changing passwords, etc...but is
> there like a whitelist of approved MAC addresses or something that I
> can set up to only allow on the network? Is my only option changing
> passwords and checking a WEP box? Also, should I just get a Microsoft
> router since they are cheap? Does G provide that much better range
> for the money? Are 2.4 phones a big interference issue? Thanks

MAC filtering is easy. You basically enter the MAC addresses of your
wireless devices into your router's firmware via its web interface. Each
wireless device you have has the MAC address printed on the back or bottom
of the unit. Set the router to accept connections from the devices
(addresses) you've entered and deny connections from those that do not.
Unless your neighbors are hard core hackers, MAC filtering should easily
keep them out.

I've got the MN-700 "G" Microsoft router and really like it. Super easy to
configure, has great range, and never gives me problems. You can get one for
under $40 from various places on the net. Some Office Depot stores might
still have some in stock on clearance for $37.

"Scott" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I'm sure this is an easy question, I just couldn't find an answer in
> here. How do you keep your neighbor from using your printer,
> internet, etc? I know about WEP and changing passwords, etc...but is
> there like a whitelist of approved MAC addresses or something that I
> can set up to only allow on the network? Is my only option changing
> passwords and checking a WEP box? Also, should I just get a Microsoft
> router since they are cheap? Does G provide that much better range
> for the money? Are 2.4 phones a big interference issue? Thanks

(E-Mail Removed) (Scott) wrote in news:7e0af77f.0405261722.10b07152
@posting.google.com:

> but is
> there like a whitelist of approved MAC addresses or something that I
> can set up to only allow on the network?

Yes, you can setup a MAC filter on some APs.

Best is to use a combination of:

WPA security
MAC Filter
Windows Security

WPA or WEP encrpytion would delter all but the most hardcore hackers.
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someone forgot to add disabling SSID broadcast.

MAC Filter
WEP (256 bit if possible) or WPA
Disabling SSID Broadcast
Not using "default" or "linksys" as your SSID

Yes I know that each of these things are bypassable by someone who has
enough time, but by using a combination of things you can get it as secure
as possible.

If your network is THAT important, run ethernet and don't use wireless



On Wed, 26 May 2004 20:38:07 -0600, Harold Starr wrote:

> Do you want much better range?
> How big is your house anyway?
> Do you want more neighbors or fewer neighbors to try to hack in? 2.4
> phones can be an issue. So was my 900 mhz phone. G is better security, and
> faster
> Yes you can set up MAC addresses, but that too can be hacked. I think you
> should let your neighbor use your printer. If you dont like that idea,
> there are ways to attach a footer message on every page that says what an
> ass he is! That will discourage him!
>
>
>
> "Scott" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
>> I'm sure this is an easy question, I just couldn't find an answer in
>> here. How do you keep your neighbor from using your printer, internet,
>> etc? I know about WEP and changing passwords, etc...but is there like a
>> whitelist of approved MAC addresses or something that I can set up to
>> only allow on the network? Is my only option changing passwords and
>> checking a WEP box? Also, should I just get a Microsoft router since
>> they are cheap? Does G provide that much better range for the money?
>> Are 2.4 phones a big interference issue? Thanks

"Lucas Tam" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> (E-Mail Removed) (Scott) wrote in news:7e0af77f.0405261722.10b07152
> @posting.google.com:
>
> > but is
> > there like a whitelist of approved MAC addresses or something that I
> > can set up to only allow on the network?
>
> Yes, you can setup a MAC filter on some APs.
>
> Best is to use a combination of:
>
> WPA security
> MAC Filter
> Windows Security
>
> WPA or WEP encrpytion would delter all but the most hardcore hackers.


But it is a neighbor who has lots of time to exploit insecure wireless. If
the OP wants security he may want to rethink using wireless and get a couple
Ethernet cables.


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> Lucas Tam ((E-Mail Removed))
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It's not so much that my information is secret and nobody can see
it...it's just that I naturally have the feeling that I don't want
anyone looking at stuff that isn't supposed to be doing so. So MAC
filtering, WEP, etc is all boxes you check or options you enable in
the software? Sorry, I don't have the router yet.

Also I heard that range was better on a G than a B. Faster connection
isn't really needed to me because my internet connection is slower
anyway. My house is fairly large and there may be several walls for
the connection to travel to at some times. Are phones only an issue
when they are in the direct path between you and the router or is the
whole room the phone is in basically worthless? Thanks

Jeff <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<(E-Mail Removed)>.. .
> someone forgot to add disabling SSID broadcast.
>
> MAC Filter
> WEP (256 bit if possible) or WPA
> Disabling SSID Broadcast
> Not using "default" or "linksys" as your SSID
>
> Yes I know that each of these things are bypassable by someone who has
> enough time, but by using a combination of things you can get it as secure
> as possible.
>
> If your network is THAT important, run ethernet and don't use wireless
>
>
>
> On Wed, 26 May 2004 20:38:07 -0600, Harold Starr wrote:
>
> > Do you want much better range?
> > How big is your house anyway?
> > Do you want more neighbors or fewer neighbors to try to hack in? 2.4
> > phones can be an issue. So was my 900 mhz phone. G is better security, and
> > faster
> > Yes you can set up MAC addresses, but that too can be hacked. I think you
> > should let your neighbor use your printer. If you dont like that idea,
> > there are ways to attach a footer message on every page that says what an
> > ass he is! That will discourage him!
> >
> >
> >
> > "Scott" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> >> I'm sure this is an easy question, I just couldn't find an answer in
> >> here. How do you keep your neighbor from using your printer, internet,
> >> etc? I know about WEP and changing passwords, etc...but is there like a
> >> whitelist of approved MAC addresses or something that I can set up to
> >> only allow on the network? Is my only option changing passwords and
> >> checking a WEP box? Also, should I just get a Microsoft router since
> >> they are cheap? Does G provide that much better range for the money?
> >> Are 2.4 phones a big interference issue? Thanks

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> "Lucas Tam" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > (E-Mail Removed) (Scott) wrote in news:7e0af77f.0405261722.10b07152
> > @posting.google.com:
> >
> > > but is
> > > there like a whitelist of approved MAC addresses or something that I
> > > can set up to only allow on the network?
> >
> > Yes, you can setup a MAC filter on some APs.
> >
> > Best is to use a combination of:
> >
> > WPA security
> > MAC Filter
> > Windows Security
> >
> > WPA or WEP encrpytion would delter all but the most hardcore hackers.
>
>
> But it is a neighbor who has lots of time to exploit insecure wireless. If
> the OP wants security he may want to rethink using wireless and get a
couple
> Ethernet cables.
>
>
> > --
> > Lucas Tam ((E-Mail Removed))
> > Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
> > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/
>
>
Turn off routers DHCP and use static addressing, use anything other than
192.168.0.x or 192.168.1.x

Might make it a little harder for them ?

curious,,,, i havent experimented with disabling ssid
when ssid is disabled
if a laptop card ssid is set to ANY
does it connect ?

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> "Lucas Tam" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > (E-Mail Removed) (Scott) wrote in news:7e0af77f.0405261722.10b07152
> > @posting.google.com:
> >
> > > but is
> > > there like a whitelist of approved MAC addresses or something that I
> > > can set up to only allow on the network?
> >
> > Yes, you can setup a MAC filter on some APs.
> >
> > Best is to use a combination of:
> >
> > WPA security
> > MAC Filter
> > Windows Security
> >
> > WPA or WEP encrpytion would delter all but the most hardcore hackers.
>
>
> But it is a neighbor who has lots of time to exploit insecure wireless. If
> the OP wants security he may want to rethink using wireless and get a
couple
> Ethernet cables.
>
>
> > --
> > Lucas Tam ((E-Mail Removed))
> > Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
> > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/
>
>

Avoiding wireless completely is extreme unless your data is of very high
value. The OP is right to be concerned about security, though. The issue
goes beyond sniffing your data or slowing down your Internet connection.
You need to worry about interlopers storing warez or porn on your computers.
You need to worry that the bad guys will violate the terms of your ISP
agreement, either by making you into a reseller of their broadband link, or
by transferring illegal content. The black hats could use your LAN to stage
a Denial of Service attack against someone.

The standard to protect yourself in the eyes of the law is Due Diligence.
Use reasonable methods to protect your WLAN. WPA (even with PSK) fits the
bill.

Ron Bandes, CCNP, CTT+, etc.

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> "Lucas Tam" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > (E-Mail Removed) (Scott) wrote in news:7e0af77f.0405261722.10b07152
> > @posting.google.com:
> >
> > > but is
> > > there like a whitelist of approved MAC addresses or something that I
> > > can set up to only allow on the network?
> >
> > Yes, you can setup a MAC filter on some APs.
> >
> > Best is to use a combination of:
> >
> > WPA security
> > MAC Filter
> > Windows Security
> >
> > WPA or WEP encrpytion would delter all but the most hardcore hackers.
>
>
> But it is a neighbor who has lots of time to exploit insecure wireless. If
> the OP wants security he may want to rethink using wireless and get a
couple
> Ethernet cables.
>
>
> > --
> > Lucas Tam ((E-Mail Removed))
> > Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
> > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/
>
>