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Keppy
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      06-10-2004, 04:20 PM


I posted all the information Roland suggested in my previous thread of June
2nd. I can not believe this. It is not working again. I have the exact same
problem as before, but now I'm not bridged, I can't see any setting that are
different for the other computers. I can ping all the computers from the one
that won't connect to the network or refuses to give me access to the
network, but all the other computers are able to share files and folders
with this DAMN computer that won't stay connected to the network.

When I look in Windows Explorer, Networks, I can see the network name and
this computer under it. I don't list the other computers under the network.
But If I try to access this computer through the network connection that I
see, I get a "not available, may not have permissions" This is the computer
I'm on.

My broadband utilities that comes with my MS router shows the other
computers listed as connected to the network but doesn't list this computer
in the connected computers, yet the tools say I am connected to the internet
and the network (I can access the internet!)

All the other computers (three of them) have no problems communicating with
each other and THIS computer.

I don't understand what is going on with this computer that it won't stay
connected or keeps having problems believing it IS connected to this
LAN!!!!!

Originally this computer was set up as the server. I don't know if that is
the case anymore. They are more like peer to peer in that all the other
computers can communicate with all four computers equally. Only this one
will not see or even communicate with itself via the network connection in
Windows Explorer (this computer is using OS XPpro, another wireless desktop
is also using PRO, one is using HOME and one MEDIA but all are using XP)

HELP PLEASE!!!!


 
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      06-10-2004, 04:59 PM

"Keppy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> When I look in Windows Explorer, Networks, I can see the network name and
> this computer under it. I don't list the other computers under the

network.
> But If I try to access this computer through the network connection that I
> see, I get a "not available, may not have permissions" This is the

computer
> I'm on.
>...............................
> in the connected computers, yet the tools say I am connected to the

internet
> and the network (I can access the internet!)


If you can get on the Net, then the literal network settings of the NIC are
correct. The "broadband device" is just a NAT device and NAT is a Layer3
function, so it doesn't care squat about the rest of your Windows Networking
settings.

You might want to have *all* the machines set their network setting to
"automatic" and let the Broadband Device autoconfigure them using its DHCP
features, then you will *know* that all machines consistant with each other.
Since you only have a Workgroup and no DC you don't have to worry about
keeping any server with a static address.

> Originally this computer was set up as the server.
> I don't know if that is the case anymore.


What to do mean by "was" a server? XP Pro is not a server and it can not be
a server.

> They are more like peer to peer in that all the other computers can

communicate with
> all four computers equally.


If there is no Domain Controller then you have a Workgroup. Workgroups are
always "peer-to-peer" and can not ever be anything else.

> will not see or even communicate with itself via the network connection in
> Windows Explorer (this computer is using OS XPpro, another wireless

desktop
> is also using PRO, one is using HOME and one MEDIA but all are using XP)


Workgroups depend on these things:
1. Regular network settings must be correct and consistant between all
machines.
2. Workgroup name must match on all machines
3. File & Print Sharing must be enabled
4. Something must actually be shared.
5. All machines must have duplicate user accounts & passwords.
6. Personal Firewalls on the machines must be disabled or very *carefully*
configured.

If these are all correct the check the machine for "spyware".
First:
Go to Add-Remove Programs. Remove all non-essential and non-MS related
"Internet Garbage" (Tool Bars, Search Utilities, and other things the
programmer was too stupid to even capitalize in the "display name"
properly). Programs with names in all lower case or all upper case, or with
"cryptic" names that don't make sense is a "red flag".
Second:
Download, Install, Update, and Run "Ad-Aware" from www.LavasoftUSA.com .
Remove what it finds.

Clear Temp Internet Files from browser's cache. Leave the browser's cache
size set to the minimum of 1meg and select "every visit to page". Then
update and run a full scan with your favorite AV software.

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      06-10-2004, 05:13 PM
Also disable any "power saver" features on the NICs.

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      06-10-2004, 08:17 PM

"Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
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>
> "Keppy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > When I look in Windows Explorer, Networks, I can see the network name

and
> > this computer under it. I don't list the other computers under the

> network.
> > But If I try to access this computer through the network connection that

I
> > see, I get a "not available, may not have permissions" This is the

> computer
> > I'm on.
> >...............................
> > in the connected computers, yet the tools say I am connected to the

> internet
> > and the network (I can access the internet!)

>
> If you can get on the Net, then the literal network settings of the NIC

are
> correct. The "broadband device" is just a NAT device and NAT is a Layer3
> function, so it doesn't care squat about the rest of your Windows

Networking
> settings.
>
> You might want to have *all* the machines set their network setting to
> "automatic" and let the Broadband Device autoconfigure them using its DHCP
> features, then you will *know* that all machines consistant with each

other.
> Since you only have a Workgroup and no DC you don't have to worry about
> keeping any server with a static address.


ALL my computers are set to auto DHCP

>
> > Originally this computer was set up as the server.
> > I don't know if that is the case anymore.

>
> What to do mean by "was" a server? XP Pro is not a server and it can not

be
> a server.
>
> > They are more like peer to peer in that all the other computers can

> communicate with
> > all four computers equally.

>
> If there is no Domain Controller then you have a Workgroup. Workgroups are
> always "peer-to-peer" and can not ever be anything else.


Great, they're peer to peer, I still can't get one desktop to behave.

>
> > will not see or even communicate with itself via the network connection

in
> > Windows Explorer (this computer is using OS XPpro, another wireless

> desktop
> > is also using PRO, one is using HOME and one MEDIA but all are using XP)

>
> Workgroups depend on these things:
> 1. Regular network settings must be correct and consistant between all
> machines.


They are and they all can share. Even the one that I'm having problems with,
the other computer can share with it.

> 2. Workgroup name must match on all machines


Exactly the same

> 3. File & Print Sharing must be enabled


That's why all the computers are able to share, even with the one computer
I'm having problems with, the other computers can access it's shared drives
and files.

> 4. Something must actually be shared.


I have shared drives, printers and external devices like peerless drives.
All sharing nicely for all machine but one.

> 5. All machines must have duplicate user accounts & passwords.


What does this mean. all machines have only one user and password per
machine and all can share except the one.

> 6. Personal Firewalls on the machines must be disabled or very *carefully*
> configured.


During this attempt to connect this damn computer, I have disabled all
software firewalls AND auto virus scanning.

>
> If these are all correct the check the machine for "spyware".


Have done so with both Ad-aware and Spybot

> First:
> Go to Add-Remove Programs. Remove all non-essential and non-MS related
> "Internet Garbage" (Tool Bars, Search Utilities, and other things the
> programmer was too stupid to even capitalize in the "display name"
> properly). Programs with names in all lower case or all upper case, or

with
> "cryptic" names that don't make sense is a "red flag".
> Second:
> Download, Install, Update, and Run "Ad-Aware" from www.LavasoftUSA.com .
> Remove what it finds.
>
> Clear Temp Internet Files from browser's cache. Leave the browser's cache
> size set to the minimum of 1meg and select "every visit to page". Then
> update and run a full scan with your favorite AV software.
>


All garbage has been removed, no recycled, no temp, no thinging.

Phil, I have tried everything I can fine. I don't have a virus or anything
else that I can find that would create havoc on this computer. As far as I
can see, all the setting on this computer are basically the same as the
other three. I tried removing the network and setting up a fresh network
with a new name and 128WEP. All three computer are now connected to the new
network and sharing nicely. This computer, when I drop down the networks in
Windows Explorer, I see both networks. In my system properties, it shows the
correct new network name, but the same problem. All the other computers can
get on this one, but this one can't get, or even recognize, the others. The
others MUST all be setup correctly, because if it wasn't for this computer,
they're all sharing the cable connection, they are all logged onto the new
network name, I can map drives from any of the three to any of the other
THREE, including this one. This one desktop, it is the only one NOT
wireless, it's connected by a network cable, not that that should have any
affect... unless the problem is with that port on my router EXCEPT, I can
get on the internet, so that probably isn't the case.

Any other ideas? I'll try anything at this point. Did you see all the
responses to your other questions in the previous thread? I did the ipconf
and all the pings and posted everything for you to see.

I had to take a valium last night. I'm the kind of person that doesn't even
like taking asprin unless it's life or death. I am so stressed out. It's not
just that it's a pain to have to go to another computer to get stuff
transfered over for backup from this computer, but the fact that this
problem exists and I can't fix it!


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      06-10-2004, 08:18 PM
Never liked power saver features and don't even use them on my laptops.
Carol

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      06-10-2004, 08:34 PM
Right, but these aren't in the same place as the other power saving stuff,
most people don't even know they are there.. But it's probably not the
issue anyway.


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"Keppy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Never liked power saver features and don't even use them on my laptops.
> Carol
>
> "Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
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> > Also disable any "power saver" features on the NICs.
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      06-10-2004, 08:42 PM
"Keppy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > 6. Personal Firewalls on the machines must be disabled or very

*carefully*
> > configured.

>
> During this attempt to connect this damn computer, I have disabled all
> software firewalls AND auto virus scanning.


Ok. I just listed all 6 of those for the sake of being through. Sometimes
the obvoius gets missed.

> Any other ideas? I'll try anything at this point. Did you see all the
> responses to your other questions in the previous thread? I did the ipconf
> and all the pings and posted everything for you to see.


The ideas are getting thin. Since this machine is the only one not
wireless, maybe the encryption used by the wireless is getting in the way
somehow, allowing them to see it, but not allowing it to see them...just a
wild guess.

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      06-10-2004, 09:04 PM
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> > 5. All machines must have duplicate user accounts & passwords.

>
> What does this mean. all machines have only one user and password per
> machine and all can share except the one.


Is that one user spelled exactly the same and use exactly the same password?

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      06-10-2004, 09:46 PM
No, all users are the same as the computer name but they all do have the
same password.
Computers are : P25 (laptop) 5205 (laptop) Sew (desktop ... in the sewing
room... on a USB wireless adapter) and This computer, my mail computer
named: Carol. Network name is not any of the above mentioned names.

I was thinking, because I've been able to get this computer working, then I
reboot and it's gone again, Maybe there is some automatic setting someplace
that keeps getting in the way. I'm pretty sure the problems in not on any of
the other three computers because they are all working perfectly and were
all setup at different times, pretty much with ever default setting popped
up, most of which I'm not sure about, but they are all automatically getting
IP addresses from the router, they are all accessing the same network and
they are all able to share the internet connection. So the problem is on
THIS machine and only related to getting onto the network. It has to be
properly connected to the router because I'm writing you and posting to the
internet on this machine, which is getting it's internet connection through
the router (4 port wireless router with hardware firewall) What ever setting
are on any of the other machines doesn't seem to effect any of the other
machines on the network, or this computer either, when it's able to connect
to the network (like it did that one day when I unbridged everything).

I don't know if this is a problem with the Microsoft Broadband Utilities
that are installed on this computer, but they all look correct and those
utilities tell me that I am connected and that the other three are also
connected, to both the internet and the network.

When I changed the network name on my other desktop, the one using the MS MN
USB wireless adapter, I got a pop up that said Welcome to "the network
name". I didn't get it on any of the others, but I did change the network
name and WEP on the other computers. The only place I see to do that on this
computer is in those utilities, and the System properties, in the computer
name change area.

That's all I can think of to tell you.

Carol

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> "Keppy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > > 5. All machines must have duplicate user accounts & passwords.

> >
> > What does this mean. all machines have only one user and password per
> > machine and all can share except the one.

>
> Is that one user spelled exactly the same and use exactly the same

password?
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      06-10-2004, 10:15 PM
Phil,
After running your scenario from above (\\computername), now I can log onto
the other computers shared drives. I don't know what gives. When I open
Windows Explorer/network I see my new network name. When I click the + to
see the connected computers I CAN SEE THEM. When I click on one of the
shared drives on one of the other computers... it works, I can get on.
GRRRRRRRRR.... I know the minute I say it's fixed, it's going to be broken
again! I'm going to reboot and see what happens... but I'm afraid to, but
I'm going to anyway.
Carol


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> Right, but these aren't in the same place as the other power saving stuff,
> most people don't even know they are there.. But it's probably not the
> issue anyway.
>
>
> --
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> Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
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>
> "Keppy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > Never liked power saver features and don't even use them on my laptops.
> > Carol
> >
> > "Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
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> > > Also disable any "power saver" features on the NICs.
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> > >
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