IP failure in Wireless Network on WPA/PSK

Whenever I want to log on to the internet using my Laptop, it takes at
least 2 times for my wireless networkcard to get a valid IP adres from
the router.
So the laptop connects to the router but does not receive a valid IP
adres.
It's a US robotics Gateway router and a US Robotics networkcard. The
desktop computer connects easily to the internet. And only when using
WPA/PSK it is nearly impossible to connect to the internet, by getting
a proper IP adres.
Please help me?
I want to secure my wireless network, but logon easily.

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In <(E-Mail Removed) .com> on 8 Nov 2005
05:42:07 -0800, "D. Poelma" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Whenever I want to log on to the internet using my Laptop, it takes at
>least 2 times for my wireless networkcard to get a valid IP adres from
>the router.
>So the laptop connects to the router but does not receive a valid IP
>adres.
>It's a US robotics Gateway router and a US Robotics networkcard. The
>desktop computer connects easily to the internet. And only when using
>WPA/PSK it is nearly impossible to connect to the internet, by getting
>a proper IP adres.
>Please help me?
>I want to secure my wireless network, but logon easily.

It's possible that you are actually connecting to a neighbor's wireless, which
is prevented when you enable encryption, because your own signal is too weak
or nonexistent. Be sure to set a unique SSID in your wireless router. Then
use Network Stumbler (free) to see what wireless networks are available
(including your own).

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It's not the neigbor's wireless. It takes 2-3 times to log on to my own
wireless network.
I set a unique SSID, even changed it. but then again it is still not
possible to get a valid IP when using WPA/PSK. If disabling WPA
encryption log on takes only 5 seconds with a valid IP, however I do
want to use WPA/PSK

It's not the neigbor's wireless. It takes 2-3 times to log on to my own
wireless network.
I set a unique SSID, even changed it. but then again it is still not
possible to get a valid IP when using WPA/PSK. If disabling WPA
encryption log on takes only 5 seconds with a valid IP, however I do
want to use WPA/PSK

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In <(E-Mail Removed). com> on 8 Nov 2005
09:44:54 -0800, "D. Poelma" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>It's not the neigbor's wireless. It takes 2-3 times to log on to my own
>wireless network.
>I set a unique SSID, even changed it. but then again it is still not
>possible to get a valid IP when using WPA/PSK. If disabling WPA
>encryption log on takes only 5 seconds with a valid IP, however I do
>want to use WPA/PSK

Possible interference. Run the Network Stumbler test I recommended.
Also see:

"Minimizing 802.11 Interference Issues" at
<http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/953511>.

"Stop the interference!"
<http://www.networkworld.com/columnists/2004/0816wizards.html>

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"D. Poelma" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> It's not the neigbor's wireless. It takes 2-3 times to log on to my own
> wireless network.
> I set a unique SSID, even changed it. but then again it is still not
> possible to get a valid IP when using WPA/PSK. If disabling WPA
> encryption log on takes only 5 seconds with a valid IP, however I do
> want to use WPA/PSK

The usual - latest router firmware, latest WiFi NIC drivers... Change
router channel (netstumbler will not show you all networks, only those that
broadcast SSID).

"D. Poelma" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) oups.com...
> It's not the neigbor's wireless. It takes 2-3 times to log on to my own
> wireless network.
> I set a unique SSID, even changed it. but then again it is still not
> possible to get a valid IP when using WPA/PSK. If disabling WPA
> encryption log on takes only 5 seconds with a valid IP, however I do
> want to use WPA/PSK
>

I agree with you D. , it is not the neigbor's... It is WPA/PSK. How else do
you explain that it wroks fine without it? I posted in here before, and
basically was told in not so many words that I didnt know what I was doing.
I work in the field, I set up networks for businesses and residential
customers. I was doing that when wireless first came out.

I have tried to use WPA on 2 seperate netwroks, with 2 seperate hardware
schemes. Both times, it was unstable at best. It was really not good, switch
it over to WEP, and it works like a champ.

My opinion WPA-PSK is in "customer beta testing mode", and they will
eventually get it right...

My 1st generation car mp3 player blows, but the ones now are good...

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In <eSxcf.22010$Ny6.18415@trnddc06> on Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:01:46 GMT,
"paranoid" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>"D. Poelma" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed) roups.com...
>> It's not the neigbor's wireless. It takes 2-3 times to log on to my own
>> wireless network.

Possible interference. See my earlier post.

>> I set a unique SSID, even changed it. but then again it is still not
>> possible to get a valid IP when using WPA/PSK. If disabling WPA
>> encryption log on takes only 5 seconds with a valid IP, however I do
>> want to use WPA/PSK

>I agree with you D. , it is not the neigbor's... It is WPA/PSK. How else do
>you explain that it wroks fine without it?

See my earlier posts: Wrong access point, or interference. Also possible
cockpit error (no offense intended).

>I posted in here before, and
>basically was told in not so many words that I didnt know what I was doing.
>I work in the field, I set up networks for businesses and residential
>customers. I was doing that when wireless first came out.
>
>I have tried to use WPA on 2 seperate netwroks, with 2 seperate hardware
>schemes. Both times, it was unstable at best. It was really not good, switch
>it over to WEP, and it works like a champ.
>
>My opinion WPA-PSK is in "customer beta testing mode", and they will
>eventually get it right...

I've set up lots of wireless networks using WPA/PSK on different hardware, and
they all work very well. What do you think explains the difference?

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>
>>I posted in here before, and
>>basically was told in not so many words that I didnt know what I was
>>doing.
>>I work in the field, I set up networks for businesses and residential
>>customers. I was doing that when wireless first came out.
>>
>>I have tried to use WPA on 2 seperate netwroks, with 2 seperate hardware
>>schemes. Both times, it was unstable at best. It was really not good,
>>switch
>>it over to WEP, and it works like a champ.
>>
>>My opinion WPA-PSK is in "customer beta testing mode", and they will
>>eventually get it right...
>
> I've set up lots of wireless networks using WPA/PSK on different hardware,
> and
> they all work very well. What do you think explains the difference?
>

Because you set up lots of wireless networks and they all work very well,
what is the percentage of yours vs. the world? maybe .000001 % .

And true, the same could be said for mine not working....

Real simple for me, and for the original poster...

It works without WPA, doesn't work with WPA..... let's see, what could it
be...

"Cockpit Error" doesn't really cut it either. I mean, come on, if we can get
it working fine without it, are we that dumb that we cant figure out how to
select "WPA/PSK" on the client and the router side, and enter the same key 4
times? Cockpit error doesn't really work there....

Yes, very well good be hardware, but to me that goes along with the WPA/PSK.
Lnksys, dlink, netgear...they all incorporate WPA/PSK into their wireless
cards, and routers, and if it doesn't work in that mode, its hardware
"related to WPA/PSK...or it could be software....either way its all got the
same common thread, WPA.

Here are a few links describing very similar problems...
http://tinyurl.com/8nw64
http://tinyurl.com/buokk
http://tinyurl.com/duocq
http://tinyurl.com/7bnwx

And also there is a patch that addresses many problems that clients have had
with WPA

http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;826942

Instead of shooting "cockpit error" , and "its the neighbors network", you
should really try to help and quit thinking we are stupid....there is
problems with WPA, and for one to think that new technology doesn't have any
problems and is perfect isn't very smart.... I work in the field as a pro, I
have tried it, and have had mixed results....cockpit error doesn't work for
me, if it connects and then drops, and does intermittent stuff, whets the
cockpit error?

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In <onAcf.23039$Ny6.1258@trnddc06> on Thu, 10 Nov 2005 04:53:40 GMT,
"paranoid" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Instead of shooting "cockpit error" , and "its the neighbors network", you
>should really try to help and quit thinking we are stupid....there is
>problems with WPA, and for one to think that new technology doesn't have any
>problems and is perfect isn't very smart.... I work in the field as a pro, I
>have tried it, and have had mixed results....cockpit error doesn't work for
>me, if it connects and then drops, and does intermittent stuff, whets the
>cockpit error?

Works well for me. Doesn't work well for you. Draw your own conclusions.

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