Internal ADSL modem

Hi,

I have a need for an internal ADSL router - don't need wireless or any
additional ports.

My download speed is less than 3Mb/s and is highly unlikely to ever
improve, so something that can handle up to say 5Mb/s would be fine.

Can anyone suggest a suitable piece of kit?

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Cheers

Peter

On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:45:50 +0100, Mark
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:43:19 +0100, Petert
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have a need for an internal ADSL router - don't need wireless or any
>>additional ports.
>>
>>My download speed is less than 3Mb/s and is highly unlikely to ever
>>improve, so something that can handle up to say 5Mb/s would be fine.
>>
>>Can anyone suggest a suitable piece of kit?
>
>I do not recommend internal ADSL modems (if this is what you mean).
>Even if you only have one computer a separate router/modem is
>preferred. Just connect it to your PC with a network patch cable.
>
>All modems /should/ work at the full range of speeds (i.e. up to 8M
>for ADSL1). If you have a long or poor line then the 2-wire 2700HGV
>is very good (AKA BT Business Hub) and there are normally a few
>available off ebay for a reasonable price.

Hi, thanks for your reply. Yes, an internal ADSL modem is what I'm
after. I currently use a Belkin Pre N router/modem, but for various
reaqsons, including space. I now need to use an internal modem. As i
mentioned, speed isn't of great importance as my download speed is
around 2.5Mb/s which i don't expect to rise and to be honest,in the
current location I don't feel the need for more speed.

All I need is an internal ADSL modem that will cope with the speeds
etc I have currently

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Cheers

Peter

"Petert" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:45:50 +0100, Mark
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:43:19 +0100, Petert
>><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I have a need for an internal ADSL router - don't need wireless or any
>>>additional ports.
>>>
>>>My download speed is less than 3Mb/s and is highly unlikely to ever
>>>improve, so something that can handle up to say 5Mb/s would be fine.
>>>
>>>Can anyone suggest a suitable piece of kit?
>>
>>I do not recommend internal ADSL modems (if this is what you mean).
>>Even if you only have one computer a separate router/modem is
>>preferred. Just connect it to your PC with a network patch cable.
>>
>>All modems /should/ work at the full range of speeds (i.e. up to 8M
>>for ADSL1). If you have a long or poor line then the 2-wire 2700HGV
>>is very good (AKA BT Business Hub) and there are normally a few
>>available off ebay for a reasonable price.
>
> Hi, thanks for your reply. Yes, an internal ADSL modem is what I'm
> after. I currently use a Belkin Pre N router/modem, but for various
> reaqsons, including space. I now need to use an internal modem. As i
> mentioned, speed isn't of great importance as my download speed is
> around 2.5Mb/s which i don't expect to rise and to be honest,in the
> current location I don't feel the need for more speed.
>
> All I need is an internal ADSL modem that will cope with the speeds
> etc I have currently

I didn't think anybody made such a thing. Normally they are USB, so occupy
the extra space that you don't have.

However I googled for "PCI ADSL modem" and found several. They're at least
as expensive as a simple router, and some of the sites said "out of stock".

As others have said, the best option is a router. This is because it is
more secure. It doesn't have to be near the computer - you can put it 100
metres away, on the end of a long Ethernet cable. It does of course require
power, and it ought to be fairly near the master socket where the phone line
arrives in your premises. Now, does that simplify the space issue?

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Graham J

> Hi, thanks for your reply. Yes, an internal ADSL modem is what I'm
> after. I currently use a Belkin Pre N router/modem, but for various
> reaqsons, including space. I now need to use an internal modem. As i
> mentioned, speed isn't of great importance as my download speed is
> around 2.5Mb/s which i don't expect to rise and to be honest,in the
> current location I don't feel the need for more speed.
>
> All I need is an internal ADSL modem that will cope with the speeds
> etc I have currently
>

An adsl modem is a device that is only "on" (as in connected to the
exchange) when your computer is on.

A router is a device that is "on" all the time even when your computer
is off.

It is much better to have a router that is on all the time, even if your
line speed is quite low.

Most DSL products these days automatically monitor your connection and
adjust certain settings including the speed to get a more "stable"
connection.

If your not connected when your computer is off then there is a good
chance the adsl line will think there is a problem and try to correct it.

3 Mbps is not a bad speed at all, certainly I have seen the speed drop
considerably lower when an ADSL modem was used in conjunction with an
ADSL Max line.

Mark wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:43:19 +0100, Petert
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a need for an internal ADSL router - don't need wireless or any
>> additional ports.
>>
>> My download speed is less than 3Mb/s and is highly unlikely to ever
>> improve, so something that can handle up to say 5Mb/s would be fine.
>>
>> Can anyone suggest a suitable piece of kit?
>
> I do not recommend internal ADSL modems (if this is what you mean).
> Even if you only have one computer a separate router/modem is
> preferred. Just connect it to your PC with a network patch cable.
>
Its not bad on Linux, where you can set up a proper firewall for it. In
fact that's pretty much what may routers are. A stripped down Linux plus
firewall..with an Ethernet card or cards and an ADSL card.. all
integrated of course, but conceptually the same.

Id not recommend windows as the host system though.


> All modems /should/ work at the full range of speeds (i.e. up to 8M
> for ADSL1). If you have a long or poor line then the 2-wire 2700HGV
> is very good (AKA BT Business Hub) and there are normally a few
> available off ebay for a reasonable price.

Graham J wrote:
> "Petert" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:45:50 +0100, Mark
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:43:19 +0100, Petert
>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have a need for an internal ADSL router - don't need wireless or any
>>>> additional ports.
>>>>
>>>> My download speed is less than 3Mb/s and is highly unlikely to ever
>>>> improve, so something that can handle up to say 5Mb/s would be fine.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone suggest a suitable piece of kit?
>>> I do not recommend internal ADSL modems (if this is what you mean).
>>> Even if you only have one computer a separate router/modem is
>>> preferred. Just connect it to your PC with a network patch cable.
>>>
>>> All modems /should/ work at the full range of speeds (i.e. up to 8M
>>> for ADSL1). If you have a long or poor line then the 2-wire 2700HGV
>>> is very good (AKA BT Business Hub) and there are normally a few
>>> available off ebay for a reasonable price.
>> Hi, thanks for your reply. Yes, an internal ADSL modem is what I'm
>> after. I currently use a Belkin Pre N router/modem, but for various
>> reaqsons, including space. I now need to use an internal modem. As i
>> mentioned, speed isn't of great importance as my download speed is
>> around 2.5Mb/s which i don't expect to rise and to be honest,in the
>> current location I don't feel the need for more speed.
>>
>> All I need is an internal ADSL modem that will cope with the speeds
>> etc I have currently
>
> I didn't think anybody made such a thing. Normally they are USB, so occupy
> the extra space that you don't have.
>
Ther are rare birds, but they exist.

E.g. http://www.themad-house.co.uk/adsl-pci.html


> However I googled for "PCI ADSL modem" and found several. They're at least
> as expensive as a simple router, and some of the sites said "out of stock".
>
> As others have said, the best option is a router. This is because it is
> more secure. It doesn't have to be near the computer - you can put it 100
> metres away, on the end of a long Ethernet cable. It does of course require
> power, and it ought to be fairly near the master socket where the phone line
> arrives in your premises. Now, does that simplify the space issue?
>

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "Petert" wrote:

>
> Hi, thanks for your reply. Yes, an internal ADSL modem is what I'm
> after. I currently use a Belkin Pre N router/modem, but for various
> reaqsons, including space. I now need to use an internal modem. As i
> mentioned, speed isn't of great importance as my download speed is
> around 2.5Mb/s which i don't expect to rise and to be honest,in the
> current location I don't feel the need for more speed.
>
> All I need is an internal ADSL modem that will cope with the speeds
> etc I have currently

Don't use a stand-alone ADSL modem, unless you are good at setting up
firewalls. 2.5Mbps is a good speed for some locations so something cheap
or 1st generation could result in speeds even slower, especially if your
current modem is struggling to sync at that speed.

Why not get a small, single-port wired modem/router, like
http://tinyurl.com/vn864. (ZYxel P-660R compact) I've used many of these
to replace the dreaded "free" USB "frog" modems...

As to wanting it internal, I suppose you could install it inside your
computer case, if a desktop, even taking it out of its box and also
taking power from a suitable internal source.

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John W

On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:38:49 +0100, eps <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>> Hi, thanks for your reply. Yes, an internal ADSL modem is what I'm
>> after. I currently use a Belkin Pre N router/modem, but for various
>> reaqsons, including space. I now need to use an internal modem. As i
>> mentioned, speed isn't of great importance as my download speed is
>> around 2.5Mb/s which i don't expect to rise and to be honest,in the
>> current location I don't feel the need for more speed.
>>
>> All I need is an internal ADSL modem that will cope with the speeds
>> etc I have currently
>>
>
>An adsl modem is a device that is only "on" (as in connected to the
>exchange) when your computer is on.

Not a problem as I can leave this PC on 24/7
>
>A router is a device that is "on" all the time even when your computer
>is off.
>
>It is much better to have a router that is on all the time, even if your
>line speed is quite low.
>
>Most DSL products these days automatically monitor your connection and
>adjust certain settings including the speed to get a more "stable"
>connection.
>
>If your not connected when your computer is off then there is a good
>chance the adsl line will think there is a problem and try to correct it.
>
>3 Mbps is not a bad speed at all, certainly I have seen the speed drop
>considerably lower when an ADSL modem was used in conjunction with an
>ADSL Max line.

Oh how I suffer!! My download spee is in the order of >16Mb/s at home.

I may have to have a look for a physically small ADSL external modem




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Cheers

Peter

On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:29:09 +0100, John Weston
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "Petert" wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi, thanks for your reply. Yes, an internal ADSL modem is what I'm
>> after. I currently use a Belkin Pre N router/modem, but for various
>> reaqsons, including space. I now need to use an internal modem. As i
>> mentioned, speed isn't of great importance as my download speed is
>> around 2.5Mb/s which i don't expect to rise and to be honest,in the
>> current location I don't feel the need for more speed.
>>
>> All I need is an internal ADSL modem that will cope with the speeds
>> etc I have currently
>
>Don't use a stand-alone ADSL modem, unless you are good at setting up
>firewalls. 2.5Mbps is a good speed for some locations so something cheap
>or 1st generation could result in speeds even slower, especially if your
>current modem is struggling to sync at that speed.
>
>Why not get a small, single-port wired modem/router, like
>http://tinyurl.com/vn864. (ZYxel P-660R compact) I've used many of these
>to replace the dreaded "free" USB "frog" modems...
>
>As to wanting it internal, I suppose you could install it inside your
>computer case, if a desktop, even taking it out of its box and also
>taking power from a suitable internal source.

Thanks, that's worth consideration

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Cheers

Peter

> Hi,
>
> I have a need for an internal ADSL router - don't need wireless or any
> additional ports.
>
> My download speed is less than 3Mb/s and is highly unlikely to ever
> improve, so something that can handle up to say 5Mb/s would be fine.
>
> Can anyone suggest a suitable piece of kit?
>
> --
> Cheers
>
> Peter
Call me nosy, but I am intrigued to know why it needs to be internal.

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Graham.

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