Inter-operability of Draft-n equipment

"Jeff Liebermann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
| LR <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:
| >The Wi-Fi Alliance, as usual, keep their interoperability test
| >procedures for Draft N under wrap.
|
| Well yes. The test procedures are their primary asset. If anyone can
| obtain the procedures and perform their tests, then someone might
| discount their rather high cost of certification (About $25K). Of
| course, that won't stop someone from trying:
| <http://www.azimuthsystems.com/solutions-wi-fi-certified.htm>
|
<http://www.azimuthsystems.com/97710dd2-94ae-44f8-9b57-4f97befcfaef/news-press-detail.htm>
| There are other vendors, but as usual, I can't find them in my
| bookmark mess.
|
| Meanwhile, I'm still dealing with WEP ASCII/BINARY conversion
| incompatibilities and regularly find wireless clients that can't seem
| to get a DHCP assigned IP from certified wireless routers. There are
| a few other big holes in Wi-Fi certification.
|
| So, when all the products are certified and largely indistinguishable,
| vendors are competing on the basis of buzzwords and unsubstantiated
| claims. That attract class action suits:
| <http://www.belkin.com/class_notice/classnotice.asp>
| <http://www.techworld.com/mobility/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4873&inkc=0>
| <http://www.buffalotech.com/files/Official%20Notice.pdf>
| Everybody lies, but that's ok because nobody listens.
|
| >As an aside I did find this web site which does have a pdf. of how they
| >did it for 11a,11b and 11g.
|
><http://www.iol.unh.edu/services/testing/wireless/testsuites/temp.html#802.11n%20Draft%202.0%20MAC%20STA%20Conf ormance%20Test%20Suite>
|
| Never mind interoperability. Just getting MIMO to work in the first
| place is somewhat of a challenge:
|
<http://rfdesign.com/next_generation_wireless/broadband_technologies/radio_challenges_testing_mimo/>
|
| Most of the vendors are assuming that MIMO will go the way of DOCSIS
| certification, where there is no interoperability testing between the
| DSLAM and the DOCSIS modem. Instead, there are certification tests,
| performed with a standardized (CableLabs) test suite, on each device.
| In theory, if they communicate reliably with the test equipment, they
| should talk reliability to each other. In general, that has worked
| well.


I have a native distrust of industry sponcered certification and
interoperability testing. My most recent experience was with the CTIA
certification of cell phone handsets. The process was quickly watered down
and the testing fees become a profit center for the parent organization.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:43:01 +0200, (E-Mail Removed) (Henry) wrote in
<1ic3fth.11wa4r21i51vl3N%(E-Mail Removed)>:

>John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> (E-Mail Removed) (Henry) wrote
>
>> >get all the pieces from the same manufacturer, to make sure they work
>> >together as intended. But that's not always possible.
>>
>> Why not?
>
>Why not? Erm ... what about the situation where a single manufacturer
>just doesn't make all of the parts that you need?

Why not pick a manufacturer that makes all the parts you need?

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John Navas wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:43:01 +0200, (E-Mail Removed) (Henry) wrote in
> <1ic3fth.11wa4r21i51vl3N%(E-Mail Removed)>:
>
>> John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> (E-Mail Removed) (Henry) wrote
>>>> get all the pieces from the same manufacturer, to make sure they work
>>>> together as intended. But that's not always possible.
>>> Why not?
>> Why not? Erm ... what about the situation where a single manufacturer
>> just doesn't make all of the parts that you need?
>
> Why not pick a manufacturer that makes all the parts you need?

I guess the OP's point is that there isn't one.
Read what he wrote again.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:16:57 +0000, Mark McIntyre
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
<JBLrj.24739$(E-Mail Removed)>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:43:01 +0200, (E-Mail Removed) (Henry) wrote in
>> <1ic3fth.11wa4r21i51vl3N%(E-Mail Removed)>:
>>
>>> John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> (E-Mail Removed) (Henry) wrote
>>>>> get all the pieces from the same manufacturer, to make sure they work
>>>>> together as intended. But that's not always possible.
>>>> Why not?
>>> Why not? Erm ... what about the situation where a single manufacturer
>>> just doesn't make all of the parts that you need?
>>
>> Why not pick a manufacturer that makes all the parts you need?
>
>I guess the OP's point is that there isn't one.
>Read what he wrote again.

* Apple is just one manufacturer
* Any device can be attached with a wireless Ethernet client bridge.
* OP problem is easily addressed with Linksys WGA600N Wireless-N Game
Adapter and a number of Linksys Wireless-N wireless routers

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John Navas wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:16:57 +0000, Mark McIntyre
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> <JBLrj.24739$(E-Mail Removed)>:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:43:01 +0200, (E-Mail Removed) (Henry) wrote in
>>> <1ic3fth.11wa4r21i51vl3N%(E-Mail Removed)>:
>>>
>>>> John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> (E-Mail Removed) (Henry) wrote
>>>>>> get all the pieces from the same manufacturer, to make sure they work
>>>>>> together as intended. But that's not always possible.
>>>>> Why not?
>>>> Why not? Erm ... what about the situation where a single manufacturer
>>>> just doesn't make all of the parts that you need?
>>> Why not pick a manufacturer that makes all the parts you need?
>> I guess the OP's point is that there isn't one.
>> Read what he wrote again.
>
> * Apple is just one manufacturer
> * Any device can be attached with a wireless Ethernet client bridge.

Correct but irrelevant to his actual statement which was

"what about the situation where a single manufacturer just doesn't make
all of the parts that you need?"

Note that he did not make this statement specifically with reference to
wireless, apple or pre-n.

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:27:25 +0000, Mark McIntyre
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
<yR4sj.4714$(E-Mail Removed)>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:16:57 +0000, Mark McIntyre
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> <JBLrj.24739$(E-Mail Removed)>:
>>
>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:43:01 +0200, (E-Mail Removed) (Henry) wrote in
>>>> <1ic3fth.11wa4r21i51vl3N%(E-Mail Removed)>:
>>>>
>>>>> John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> (E-Mail Removed) (Henry) wrote
>>>>>>> get all the pieces from the same manufacturer, to make sure they work
>>>>>>> together as intended. But that's not always possible.
>>>>>> Why not?
>>>>> Why not? Erm ... what about the situation where a single manufacturer
>>>>> just doesn't make all of the parts that you need?
>>>> Why not pick a manufacturer that makes all the parts you need?
>>> I guess the OP's point is that there isn't one.
>>> Read what he wrote again.
>>
>> * Apple is just one manufacturer
>> * Any device can be attached with a wireless Ethernet client bridge.
>
>Correct but irrelevant to his actual statement which was
>
>"what about the situation where a single manufacturer just doesn't make
>all of the parts that you need?"
>
>Note that he did not make this statement specifically with reference to
>wireless, apple or pre-n.

No such actual situation has been demonstrated.

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John Navas wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:27:25 +0000, Mark McIntyre
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> <yR4sj.4714$(E-Mail Removed)>:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>
>>> * Any device can be attached with a wireless Ethernet client bridge.
>> Correct but irrelevant to his actual statement which was
>>
>> "what about the situation where a single manufacturer just doesn't make
>> all of the parts that you need?"
>>
>> Note that he did not make this statement specifically with reference to
>> wireless, apple or pre-n.
>
> No such actual situation has been demonstrated.

He didn't say it had - it was an answer to the question "why not?" in
relation to the remark that it isn't always possible to pick a single
manufacturer.

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:13:59 +0000, Mark McIntyre
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
<HSosj.15914$(E-Mail Removed)>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:27:25 +0000, Mark McIntyre
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> <yR4sj.4714$(E-Mail Removed)>:
>>
>>> John Navas wrote:
> >
>>>> * Any device can be attached with a wireless Ethernet client bridge.
>>> Correct but irrelevant to his actual statement which was
>>>
>>> "what about the situation where a single manufacturer just doesn't make
>>> all of the parts that you need?"
>>>
>>> Note that he did not make this statement specifically with reference to
>>> wireless, apple or pre-n.
>>
>> No such actual situation has been demonstrated.
>
>He didn't say it had - it was an answer to the question "why not?" in
>relation to the remark that it isn't always possible to pick a single
>manufacturer.

Again, no such actual situation has been demonstrated.

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John Navas wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:13:59 +0000, Mark McIntyre
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> <HSosj.15914$(E-Mail Removed)>:
>
>> John Navas wrote:

>>> No such actual situation has been demonstrated.
>> He didn't say it had - it was an answer to the question "why not?" in
>> relation to the remark that it isn't always possible to pick a single
>> manufacturer.
>
> Again, no such actual situation has been demonstrated.

Again, HE DIDNT SAY IT HAD. What is it with you ? Do you enjoy being a
total dipstick?

He was pointing out that if you can't get it all from one maker, you
can't get it all from one maker. Whats to disagree with?

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:38:50 +0000, Mark McIntyre
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
<fcLsj.275$(E-Mail Removed)>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:13:59 +0000, Mark McIntyre
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> <HSosj.15914$(E-Mail Removed)>:
>>
>>> John Navas wrote:
>
>>>> No such actual situation has been demonstrated.
>>> He didn't say it had - it was an answer to the question "why not?" in
>>> relation to the remark that it isn't always possible to pick a single
>>> manufacturer.
>>
>> Again, no such actual situation has been demonstrated.
>
>Again, HE DIDNT SAY IT HAD. What is it with you ? Do you enjoy being a
>total dipstick?

Same question to you. He posed a meaningless question.

>He was pointing out that if you can't get it all from one maker, you
>can't get it all from one maker. Whats to disagree with?

That you can't, because you can, as I demonstrated.

Regardless, that discourtesy was totally uncalled for, and I'm now done
with wasting time on this silly issue. Feel free to have the last word.

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