Install WIreless AP in airing cupboard?

Anyone done this? Only concern for me is the temperature. Whats the
temperature in an average airing cupboard? I don't own a thermometer.

The AP concerned is the linkysys 54G. The blurb for it says "operating
temperature 0-40 degrees celsius, storage temp 0-70 degrees".

Does this means it could reach temperature of 40 degrees when it's on,
but that you could install it in an ambient temp of up to 70? Or that
you should not install it in an area where it's likely to exceed 40?

Also, will the presence of copper piping have an impact?
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Regards
Jon

In message <(E-Mail Removed) >, Jon
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>Anyone done this? Only concern for me is the temperature. Whats the
>temperature in an average airing cupboard? I don't own a thermometer.

I have done a scour of all government databases and do you know this
isn't covered. There should be a body set up immediately to correct this
heinous oversight

>
>The AP concerned is the linkysys 54G. The blurb for it says "operating
>temperature 0-40 degrees celsius, storage temp 0-70 degrees".
>
>Does this means it could reach temperature of 40 degrees when it's on,
>but that you could install it in an ambient temp of up to 70? Or that
>you should not install it in an area where it's likely to exceed 40?

That's a tough one. Let's form a sub committee to lever us some funding
to employ an engineering consultant to explain the difference between
operating and storage. I'm certainly not prepared to put my head on the
block with a guess when the criteria are so similar.
>
>Also, will the presence of copper piping have an impact?

If it does, maybe we could start using this revolutionary new material
as a screening conductor. Hell we could even use it in lightning rods.

Hope this helps.

--
Devs
"Punchdown Pete the old Kroner"

On Jun 22, 1:59 pm, Jon <s...@jonparker.plus.com> wrote:
> Anyone done this? Only concern for me is the temperature. Whats the
> temperature in an average airing cupboard? I don't own a thermometer.
>
> The AP concerned is the linkysys 54G. The blurb for it says "operating
> temperature 0-40 degrees celsius, storage temp 0-70 degrees".
>
> Does this means it could reach temperature of 40 degrees when it's on,
> but that you could install it in an ambient temp of up to 70? Or that
> you should not install it in an area where it's likely to exceed 40?
>
> Also, will the presence of copper piping have an impact?
> --
> Regards
> Jon

I'd read this as "this device will work between 0 and 40 degrees. if
it's turned off and in storage, you won't damage it below 70 degrees".
from past experience with most domestic wifi kit, a lot of it, linksys
and belkin in particular, is quite sensitive to ambient temperature.
this mainly applies to routers, which have more in them than plain
APs. i've had a number of successful "cures" of flaky network
connectivity where all i've done is fished out a linksys router from
near a radiator and placed it on its side, elsewhere.

a few copper pipes shouldn't make much difference.

in summary: an AP will probably be OK in an airing cupboard, but i'd
be tempted to avoid linksys, belkin and maybe netgear and go for
something as industrial-looking as possible - even if it means going
to ebay for an aironet or similar.

ric

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> >Does this means it could reach temperature of 40 degrees when it's on,
> >but that you could install it in an ambient temp of up to 70? Or that
> >you should not install it in an area where it's likely to exceed 40?

> That's a tough one.

Thats why I posted!

> Let's form a sub committee to lever us some funding
> to employ an engineering consultant to explain the difference between
> operating and storage. I'm certainly not prepared to put my head on the
> block with a guess when the criteria are so similar.

I know, it's difficult isn't it!?

Thing is, I dont care how hot it will get when it's working. What I care
about is weather or not I can put it in my airing cupboard without
breaking it.

> Hope this helps.

Most useful, thanks.
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Regards
Jon

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> On Jun 22, 1:59 pm, Jon <s...@jonparker.plus.com> wrote:
> > Anyone done this? Only concern for me is the temperature. Whats the
> > temperature in an average airing cupboard? I don't own a thermometer.
> >
> > The AP concerned is the linkysys 54G. The blurb for it says "operating
> > temperature 0-40 degrees celsius, storage temp 0-70 degrees".
> >
> > Does this means it could reach temperature of 40 degrees when it's on,
> > but that you could install it in an ambient temp of up to 70? Or that
> > you should not install it in an area where it's likely to exceed 40?
> >
> > Also, will the presence of copper piping have an impact?
> > --
> > Regards
> > Jon
>
> I'd read this as "this device will work between 0 and 40 degrees. if
> it's turned off and in storage, you won't damage it below 70 degrees".
> from past experience with most domestic wifi kit, a lot of it, linksys
> and belkin in particular, is quite sensitive to ambient temperature.
> this mainly applies to routers, which have more in them than plain
> APs. i've had a number of successful "cures" of flaky network
> connectivity where all i've done is fished out a linksys router from
> near a radiator and placed it on its side, elsewhere.
>
> a few copper pipes shouldn't make much difference.
>
> in summary: an AP will probably be OK in an airing cupboard, but i'd
> be tempted to avoid linksys, belkin and maybe netgear and go for
> something as industrial-looking as possible - even if it means going
> to ebay for an aironet or similar.

Thanks for the advice, unfortunately I've already got the AP. I have
some linksys kit already and it's never given me any gyp. If it can't go
in the airing cupboard it's going on the wall outside it, just thought
it might be nice to hide it from view.
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Regards
Jon

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:22:08 +0100, "Mortimer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>"ric" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> On Jun 22, 1:59 pm, Jon <s...@jonparker.plus.com> wrote:
>>> Anyone done this? Only concern for me is the temperature. Whats the
>>> temperature in an average airing cupboard? I don't own a thermometer.
>
>I've just checked the temperature in my airing cupboards. With a well-lagged
>tank and silvered but not lagged pipes, and with the boiler last on about
>six hours ago, the temperatue is about 28 degrees.
>
>>> The AP concerned is the linkysys 54G. The blurb for it says "operating
>>> temperature 0-40 degrees celsius, storage temp 0-70 degrees".
>>>
>>> Does this means it could reach temperature of 40 degrees when it's on,
>>> but that you could install it in an ambient temp of up to 70? Or that
>>> you should not install it in an area where it's likely to exceed 40?
>>>
>>> Also, will the presence of copper piping have an impact?
>>
>> I'd read this as "this device will work between 0 and 40 degrees. if
>> it's turned off and in storage, you won't damage it below 70 degrees".
>
>Yes, that's how I'd interpret that information.
>
>> from past experience with most domestic wifi kit, a lot of it, linksys
>> and belkin in particular, is quite sensitive to ambient temperature.
>
>My dad originally put his wireless access point in the loft of his bungalow,
>but found that it kept cutting out and having to be rebooted. The
>temperature in the loft on a sunny day gets very hot - maybe as hot as 40.
>That's a Linksys. He now has it high up in the kitchen, and had to re-route
>the carefully-laid cable between the (non-wireless) router and the AP. A
>customer of mine had his Linksys router in the direct glare of the sun
>through a window. That kept cutting out (wireless and/or DHCP server) and
>eventually stopped working altogether even when then kept under the desk.
>
>> this mainly applies to routers, which have more in them than plain
>> APs. i've had a number of successful "cures" of flaky network
>> connectivity where all i've done is fished out a linksys router from
>> near a radiator and placed it on its side, elsewhere.
>>
>> a few copper pipes shouldn't make much difference.
>
>No, but the hot water cylinder probably will: firstly because it's a large
>earthed metal pbject and secondly because it's filled with water which
>absorbs gigahertz radiation such as from microwave ovens and wireless
>networks.
>

My approach would be put up with a few temporary wires for a week and
see if you have problems.
Robert

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> (E-Mail Removed) declared for all the world to hear...
>> On Jun 22, 1:59 pm, Jon <s...@jonparker.plus.com> wrote:
>> > Anyone done this? Only concern for me is the temperature. Whats the
>> > temperature in an average airing cupboard? I don't own a thermometer.
>> >
>> > The AP concerned is the linkysys 54G. The blurb for it says "operating
>> > temperature 0-40 degrees celsius, storage temp 0-70 degrees".
>> >
>> > Does this means it could reach temperature of 40 degrees when it's on,
>> > but that you could install it in an ambient temp of up to 70? Or that
>> > you should not install it in an area where it's likely to exceed 40?
>> >
>> > Also, will the presence of copper piping have an impact?
>> > --
>> > Regards
>> > Jon
>>
>> I'd read this as "this device will work between 0 and 40 degrees. if
>> it's turned off and in storage, you won't damage it below 70 degrees".
>> from past experience with most domestic wifi kit, a lot of it, linksys
>> and belkin in particular, is quite sensitive to ambient temperature.
>> this mainly applies to routers, which have more in them than plain
>> APs. i've had a number of successful "cures" of flaky network
>> connectivity where all i've done is fished out a linksys router from
>> near a radiator and placed it on its side, elsewhere.
>>
>> a few copper pipes shouldn't make much difference.
>>
>> in summary: an AP will probably be OK in an airing cupboard, but i'd
>> be tempted to avoid linksys, belkin and maybe netgear and go for
>> something as industrial-looking as possible - even if it means going
>> to ebay for an aironet or similar.
>
> Thanks for the advice, unfortunately I've already got the AP. I have
> some linksys kit already and it's never given me any gyp. If it can't go
> in the airing cupboard it's going on the wall outside it, just thought
> it might be nice to hide it from view.

Jon,
I think an airing cupboard is a bad place for an AP. As you say its full of
copper and it gets hot, even if the tank is well lagged.
If its a typical size cupboard I would put the AP on the all outside. If you
put it up near the cieling you won't notice it too much.
Dave

P.S. At the top you said you had one concern and then mentioned temp. and
copper pipes, which I make two concerns...


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> Regards
> Jon

In article <(E-Mail Removed) >, Jon
(E-Mail Removed) says...
> Anyone done this? Only concern for me is the temperature. Whats the
> temperature in an average airing cupboard? I don't own a thermometer.
>
> The AP concerned is the linkysys 54G. The blurb for it says "operating
> temperature 0-40 degrees celsius, storage temp 0-70 degrees".
>
> Does this means it could reach temperature of 40 degrees when it's on,
> but that you could install it in an ambient temp of up to 70? Or that
> you should not install it in an area where it's likely to exceed 40?
>
> Also, will the presence of copper piping have an impact?
>
I've got a WAP in the airing cupboard (just an old 802.11b one, can't
remember what sort) and it works fine despite the heat and the pipes.