Infinity installation on master socket or not?

A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she lives in
a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and the study on the
third floor.

At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket in
the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the place. She
definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor, and would
rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle floors. So
the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity hub/router into the
master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub, be plugged into an
extension socket?

And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't an
option.

Any ideas?

Cheers.

On 23/08/2011 16:26, Bob wrote:
> A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she lives
> in a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and the study
> on the third floor.
>
> At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket
> in the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the place.
> She definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor, and
> would rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle
> floors. So the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity
> hub/router into the master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub,
> be plugged into an extension socket?
>
> And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't an
> option.
>
> Any ideas?

If a 'data extension kit' is ordered with the install then the engineer
should be able to run a cable up to the third floor or relocate the
master socket there.

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|Support Home & Business @
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> A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she lives
> in a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and the study
> on the third floor.
>
> At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket
> in the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the place.
> She definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor, and
> would rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle
> floors. So the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity
> hub/router into the master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub,
> be plugged into an extension socket?
>
> And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't an
> option.
>
> Any ideas?

If a 'data extension kit' is ordered with the install then the engineer
should be able to run a cable up to the third floor or relocate the
master socket there.

-------------------------

Thanks, Bob, but my colleague is clear about "no more wires", partly because
of the type of building. So it can it go into an extension socket like the
existing router/hub?

On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:11:53 +0100, Bob wrote:

>> A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she
>> lives in a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and the
>> study on the third floor.
>>
>> At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket
>> in the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the place.
>> She definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor, and
>> would rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle
>> floors. So the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity
>> hub/router into the master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub,
>> be plugged into an extension socket?
>>
>> And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't
>> an option.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>
> If a 'data extension kit' is ordered with the install then the engineer
> should be able to run a cable up to the third floor or relocate the
> master socket there.
>
> -------------------------
>
> Thanks, Bob, but my colleague is clear about "no more wires", partly
> because of the type of building. So it can it go into an extension
> socket like the existing router/hub?

Nope, the VDSL modem has to be plugged into the master socket. BTO will
install a new frontplate on the NTE5 master socket which filters the
VDSL signal from the other phone sockets.

Your colleague could have the VDSL modem and the router installed on the
ground floor and use Wi-Fi....

Bob wrote:
> A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she lives
> in a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and the study
> on the third floor.
>
> At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket
> in the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the place.
> She definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor, and
> would rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle
> floors. So the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity
> hub/router into the master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub,
> be plugged into an extension socket?
>
> And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't an
> option.
>
> Any i
should be OK, although the degradation on 20Mbps signal is a lot higher
running it round extension wiring, than a stock ADSL.



> Cheers.

Andrew Benham wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:11:53 +0100, Bob wrote:
>
>>> A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she
>>> lives in a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and the
>>> study on the third floor.
>>>
>>> At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket
>>> in the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the place.
>>> She definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor, and
>>> would rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle
>>> floors. So the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity
>>> hub/router into the master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub,
>>> be plugged into an extension socket?
>>>
>>> And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't
>>> an option.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>> If a 'data extension kit' is ordered with the install then the engineer
>> should be able to run a cable up to the third floor or relocate the
>> master socket there.
>>
>> -------------------------
>>
>> Thanks, Bob, but my colleague is clear about "no more wires", partly
>> because of the type of building. So it can it go into an extension
>> socket like the existing router/hub?
>
> Nope, the VDSL modem has to be plugged into the master socket. BTO will
> install a new frontplate on the NTE5 master socket which filters the
> VDSL signal from the other phone sockets.
>

well the answer is to use the existing extension wiring to transfer the
master to the upstairs point.


> Your colleague could have the VDSL modem and the router installed on the
> ground floor and use Wi-Fi....

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Andrew Benham wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:11:53 +0100, Bob wrote:
>>
>>>> A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she
>>>> lives in a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and the
>>>> study on the third floor.
>>>>
>>>> At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket
>>>> in the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the place.
>>>> She definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor, and
>>>> would rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle
>>>> floors. So the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity
>>>> hub/router into the master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub,
>>>> be plugged into an extension socket?
>>>>
>>>> And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't
>>>> an option.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>> If a 'data extension kit' is ordered with the install then the engineer
>>> should be able to run a cable up to the third floor or relocate the
>>> master socket there.
>>>
>>> -------------------------
>>>
>>> Thanks, Bob, but my colleague is clear about "no more wires", partly
>>> because of the type of building. So it can it go into an extension
>>> socket like the existing router/hub?
>>
>> Nope, the VDSL modem has to be plugged into the master socket. BTO will
>> install a new frontplate on the NTE5 master socket which filters the
>> VDSL signal from the other phone sockets.
>>
>
> well the answer is to use the existing extension wiring to transfer the
> master to the upstairs point.

The difficulty with this is that the existing extension wiring might not
carry the signal reliably, so relocating the master to the 3rd floor
would not work. However, Openreach should be able to relocate the
master socket to the 3rd floor and feed it directly from the existing
dropwire - depending of course on where it comes into the property.

The existing etension wiring can then be used to carry the voice signal
to a phone on the ground floor, if desired.

-- Graham J

On 23/08/2011 20:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Andrew Benham wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:11:53 +0100, Bob wrote:
>>
>>>> A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she
>>>> lives in a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and the
>>>> study on the third floor.
>>>>
>>>> At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket
>>>> in the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the place.
>>>> She definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor, and
>>>> would rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle
>>>> floors. So the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity
>>>> hub/router into the master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub,
>>>> be plugged into an extension socket?
>>>>
>>>> And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't
>>>> an option.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>> If a 'data extension kit' is ordered with the install then the engineer
>>> should be able to run a cable up to the third floor or relocate the
>>> master socket there.
>>>
>>> -------------------------
>>>
>>> Thanks, Bob, but my colleague is clear about "no more wires", partly
>>> because of the type of building. So it can it go into an extension
>>> socket like the existing router/hub?
>>
>> Nope, the VDSL modem has to be plugged into the master socket. BTO will
>> install a new frontplate on the NTE5 master socket which filters the
>> VDSL signal from the other phone sockets.
>>
>
> well the answer is to use the existing extension wiring to transfer the
> master to the upstairs point.

This is what I asked an engineer to do with a recent fibre install
although admittedly the extension from the master socket in the hallway
only travelled about 15 metres to an adjacent room.

--
|Bob Pullen Broadband Solutions for
|Support Home & Business @
|Plusnet Plc. www.plus.net
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Graham J wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> Andrew Benham wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:11:53 +0100, Bob wrote:
>>>
>>>>> A colleague is looking into getting BT Infinity installed, but she
>>>>> lives in a tall house, with a master socket on the ground floor and
>>>>> the
>>>>> study on the third floor.
>>>>>
>>>>> At present, she has a router attached to the built-in extension socket
>>>>> in the study, so there's no need for trailing wires all over the
>>>>> place.
>>>>> She definitely doesn't want to run cables up from the ground floor,
>>>>> and
>>>>> would rather not have to have access points or relays on the middle
>>>>> floors. So the question is whether she has to plug the Infinity
>>>>> hub/router into the master socket, or can it, like the current BT hub,
>>>>> be plugged into an extension socket?
>>>>>
>>>>> And before anyone suggests it, networking via electricity loops isn't
>>>>> an option.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>> If a 'data extension kit' is ordered with the install then the engineer
>>>> should be able to run a cable up to the third floor or relocate the
>>>> master socket there.
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Bob, but my colleague is clear about "no more wires", partly
>>>> because of the type of building. So it can it go into an extension
>>>> socket like the existing router/hub?
>>>
>>> Nope, the VDSL modem has to be plugged into the master socket. BTO will
>>> install a new frontplate on the NTE5 master socket which filters the
>>> VDSL signal from the other phone sockets.
>>>
>>
>> well the answer is to use the existing extension wiring to transfer the
>> master to the upstairs point.
>
> The difficulty with this is that the existing extension wiring might not
> carry the signal reliably, so relocating the master to the 3rd floor
> would not work. However, Openreach should be able to relocate the
> master socket to the 3rd floor and feed it directly from the existing
> dropwire - depending of course on where it comes into the property.
>
> The existing etension wiring can then be used to carry the voice signal
> to a phone on the ground floor, if desired.
>
> -- Graham J
>
Its VDSL isn't it? extension wiring should be able to carry that.

It does amount to relocating the master, I agree.

On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:03:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> well the answer is to use the existing extension wiring to transfer the
> master to the upstairs point.

You would then need an additional cable run to feed any downstairs
sockets.

With NT style demarcation, you should not have consumer side and network
side pairs in the same sheath.

Rgds

Denis McMahon