Increase in ISP traffic due to BBC iPlayer and similar

From The Register:-

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02...er_isps_broke/


Included link from Telco2:-


http://www.telco2.net/blog/2008/02/b..._can.html#more


Included link from Plusnet:-

http://community.plus.net/blog/2008/...dth-explosion/




All good reading and a foretaste of future price rises or restrictions.

Mike

The sooner ISPs start charging by amount of data transferred the better.

At the moment most are saying they are unlimited but in practise they
throttle at peak times or simply sabotage things that use lots of bandwidth.

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"Brian Gregory [UK]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> The sooner ISPs start charging by amount of data transferred the better.
>
> At the moment most are saying they are unlimited but in practise they
> throttle at peak times or simply sabotage things that use lots of
bandwidth.
>
It would make more sense to block the BBC iPlayer service on standard
broadband packages, and offer a special broadband service for those who need
access to such rubbish. Charge users 40-50 quid a month for a service that
gives access to BBC iPlayer services. Has no-one got a video or PVR
anymore? I thought that was why people bought those things... to record and
watch TV at a time when it suited them.

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:01:26 -0000, "Ren" <96878678006500@000.00>
wrote:

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>"Brian Gregory [UK]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> The sooner ISPs start charging by amount of data transferred the better.
>>
>> At the moment most are saying they are unlimited but in practise they
>> throttle at peak times or simply sabotage things that use lots of
>bandwidth.
>>
>It would make more sense to block the BBC iPlayer service on standard
>broadband packages, and offer a special broadband service for those who need
>access to such rubbish. Charge users 40-50 quid a month for a service that
>gives access to BBC iPlayer services. Has no-one got a video or PVR
>anymore? I thought that was why people bought those things... to record and
>watch TV at a time when it suited them.
>
>
>
why have a car when there are buses and trains?

km

"Ren" <96878678006500@000.00> wrote in message
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> "Brian Gregory [UK]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> The sooner ISPs start charging by amount of data transferred the better.
>>
>> At the moment most are saying they are unlimited but in practise they
>> throttle at peak times or simply sabotage things that use lots of
> bandwidth.
>>
> It would make more sense to block the BBC iPlayer service on standard
> broadband packages, and offer a special broadband service for those who
> need
> access to such rubbish. Charge users 40-50 quid a month for a service
> that
> gives access to BBC iPlayer services. Has no-one got a video or PVR
> anymore? I thought that was why people bought those things... to record
> and
> watch TV at a time when it suited them.
>
You could also say "block NNTP traffic and newsgroup binaries and have a
special service for those that need access to such rubbish"...

Mike P

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:01:26 +0000, Ren wrote:

> It would make more sense to block the BBC iPlayer service on standard
> broadband packages, and offer a special broadband service for those who
> need access to such rubbish. Charge users 40-50 quid a month for a
> service that gives access to BBC iPlayer services.

Which orifice did you pull that figure out of? Usage-based charging is
way more sensible than blocking specific services and then charging for
access to them.

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Convergence, n: The act of using separate DSL circuits for voice and data

m wrote:
> From The Register:-
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02...er_isps_broke/
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>
> Included link from Telco2:-
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> http://www.telco2.net/blog/2008/02/b..._can.html#more
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>
> Included link from Plusnet:-
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> http://community.plus.net/blog/2008/...dth-explosion/
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>
>
>
>
> All good reading and a foretaste of future price rises or restrictions.
>
> Mike
>
Excellent links.

And with the price of copper escalating beyond belief, how long before
its fibre to the home?

I personally don't mind paying fr Internet. I'd pay double for a
symmetrical DSL link at 3megs each way..compared with other costs -
taxes, fuel bills, food - Internet is CHEAP.

alexd wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:01:26 +0000, Ren wrote:
>
>> It would make more sense to block the BBC iPlayer service on standard
>> broadband packages, and offer a special broadband service for those who
>> need access to such rubbish. Charge users 40-50 quid a month for a
>> service that gives access to BBC iPlayer services.
>
> Which orifice did you pull that figure out of? Usage-based charging is
> way more sensible than blocking specific services and then charging for
> access to them.
>
The real problem is that no one has really figured out how to charge for
telco links at all.

What are they?

MASSIVE capital cost infrastructure and almost ZERO running cost. Sure
occasionally the roads need digging up again to fix broken wires, and
the odd DSLAM/ATM router needs replacing, but by and large its totally
dominated by capital cost.

So, put one user on it and t costs a fortune. Put a million users on it
and its peanuts.

The real problem is that its ALL owned by BT. By and large. Only they
have cables into EVERY exchange, and a datacoms network capable of
backhauling that to the ISP.

That's where the issues all reside.

the ISPs will all have to order new backhaul pipes, and until OFCOM gets
around to rapping BT's knuckles for the pricing, they will be raking it
in. At virtually NO extra expense to themselves.

BT are not a nationalised company: They wont reduce their prices nor
invest in infrastructure they cant see a profit in, unless OFCOM makes em.

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:44:38 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> The real problem is that its ALL owned by BT. By and large. Only they
> have cables into EVERY exchange, and a datacoms network capable of
> backhauling that to the ISP.
>
> That's where the issues all reside.

I'm interested to see what impact WBC will have on this - ie buying
capacity at multiple aggregation points rather than one or more Central.

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Convergence, n: The act of using separate DSL circuits for voice and data

"km" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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: : why have a car when there are buses and trains?

Since you asked.. To get to my workplace by bus would take three buses and
an hour and a half of my time, whereas in the car it takes 25 minutes.

Also when I finish work at 1am the buses and trains aren't running any
more.


Ivor