ICS No go :-(

Host = Desktop ME
Client = Laptop 2000
Router = Belkin ADSL Modem with built in wireless router (Not using modem)
Configuration = Desktop connected to Belkin via Ethernet 802.11b, Laptop
connected to Belkin via D-Link wireless on 802.11g.

Belkin can see both machines, machines can both see each other and ping,
swap files etc.

Desktop can dial up internet, Laptop can dial up on own dialup connection,
but CAN'T share ME's connection.
I don't want ME to share 2000, rather 2000 to share ME

I tried installing Microsoft ICS, on the ME machine, went through ok and
icon appeared down the bottom as normal, but showed only one computer
connected. (the configuration disk it offers to make does not support 2000)

2000 machine has client for Microsoft, file and print sharing, net beui and
tcp/ip enable on the wireless card. TCP/IP is set to auto IP & DNS

I think it might be in the protocols somewhere, but I'm just getting
confused mucking around with them.

TAI for any help

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not as old....or mystic......or wise....or high...

Southern Kiwi wrote:

> Host = Desktop ME
> Client = Laptop 2000
> Router = Belkin ADSL Modem with built in wireless router (Not using
> modem)
> Configuration = Desktop connected to Belkin via Ethernet 802.11b,
> Laptop connected to Belkin via D-Link wireless on 802.11g.
>
> Belkin can see both machines, machines can both see each other and
> ping, swap files etc.
>
> Desktop can dial up internet, Laptop can dial up on own dialup
> connection, but CAN'T share ME's connection.
> I don't want ME to share 2000, rather 2000 to share ME
>
> I tried installing Microsoft ICS, on the ME machine, went through ok
> and icon appeared down the bottom as normal, but showed only one
> computer connected. (the configuration disk it offers to make does not
> support 2000)
>
> 2000 machine has client for Microsoft, file and print sharing, net
> beui and tcp/ip enable on the wireless card. TCP/IP is set to auto IP
> & DNS
>
> I think it might be in the protocols somewhere, but I'm just getting
> confused mucking around with them.
>
> TAI for any help
>

I think the answer is that you are using a router and ICS doesn't work,
nor should you want to use it, with a router. Let the router do the
DHCP. Set both machines to get their IP address automagically via DHCP
from the router. Uninstall ICS. Now the router should be your gateway
(192.168.1.1 or whatever the Belkin default subnet is) and the machines
will be whatever the Belkin assigns them on the same subnet. They will
both have Internet access.

If you want to share files between the two machines, make sure you have
an account with a password on the ME box (even if you use TweakUI to
automatically log in) and that you create the same account and password
on the Win2k box. Use Client for Microsoft Networks on the ME box. You
don't need NetBEUI, only TCP/IP.

Malke
--
MS-MVP Windows User/Shell
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic"

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:54:03 -0800, Malke <(E-Mail Removed)>
had this to say:

>> Host = Desktop ME
>> Client = Laptop 2000
>> Router = Belkin ADSL Modem with built in wireless router (Not using
>> modem)
>> Configuration = Desktop connected to Belkin via Ethernet 802.11b,
>> Laptop connected to Belkin via D-Link wireless on 802.11g.
>>
>
>I think the answer is that you are using a router and ICS doesn't work,
>nor should you want to use it, with a router. Let the router do the
>DHCP. Set both machines to get their IP address automagically via DHCP
>from the router. Uninstall ICS. Now the router should be your gateway
>(192.168.1.1 or whatever the Belkin default subnet is) and the machines
>will be whatever the Belkin assigns them on the same subnet. They will
>both have Internet access.

I think you might be missing the point that he is only using the
router to route to the wireless network (or, essentially as an AP),
NOT as a jetstream router etc. The internet comes in through the ME
box, and (rightly) needs to be distributed from their via ICS, rather
than from the router.

OP: Correct me if I'm wrong.

Gurble wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:54:03 -0800, Malke <(E-Mail Removed)>
> had this to say:
>
>>> Host = Desktop ME
>>> Client = Laptop 2000
>>> Router = Belkin ADSL Modem with built in wireless router (Not using
>>> modem)
>>> Configuration = Desktop connected to Belkin via Ethernet 802.11b,
>>> Laptop connected to Belkin via D-Link wireless on 802.11g.
>>>
>>
>>I think the answer is that you are using a router and ICS doesn't
>>work, nor should you want to use it, with a router. Let the router do
>>the DHCP. Set both machines to get their IP address automagically via
>>DHCP from the router. Uninstall ICS. Now the router should be your
>>gateway (192.168.1.1 or whatever the Belkin default subnet is) and the
>>machines will be whatever the Belkin assigns them on the same subnet.
>>They will both have Internet access.
>
> I think you might be missing the point that he is only using the
> router to route to the wireless network (or, essentially as an AP),
> NOT as a jetstream router etc. The internet comes in through the ME
> box, and (rightly) needs to be distributed from their via ICS, rather
> than from the router.
>
> OP: Correct me if I'm wrong.

Quite possibly you're right, but why would he do that if he has a
router? If it is the normal dsl wired/wireless router, why not use it
as such? Perhaps it isn't a real router? I'm not familiar with that
particular Belkin modem/router combo, but the ones I've seen (2Wire
modem/routers used in this area by SBC for their home networking setup
with their DSL, including the wireless segment) work as regular routers
and ICS isn't used.

It will be interesting to see more information from the OP.

Cheers,

Malke
--
MS-MVP Windows User/Shell
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic"

Malke wrote:
>
> It will be interesting to see more information from the OP.

The OP stated that he's using dial-up *NOT* ADSL so he doesn't have any
option to use the Belkin router for internet sharing.


--
EMB

Can you temporarily reconfigure your network so that the laptop and
desktop computers are connected to the same physical hub/switch? If the
ICS works then you know it's a network related problem with your setup.
If the ICS still doesn't work then it is probably a fault with the
Windows ME computer - are you using any sort of personal firewall on
either machine?

My gut feeling is that because you say the two computers have good
connectivity between them, the problem probably lies with the ME machine.



Malke wrote:
> Gurble wrote:
>
>
>>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:54:03 -0800, Malke <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>had this to say:
>>
>>
>>>>Host = Desktop ME
>>>>Client = Laptop 2000
>>>>Router = Belkin ADSL Modem with built in wireless router (Not using
>>>>modem)
>>>>Configuration = Desktop connected to Belkin via Ethernet 802.11b,
>>>>Laptop connected to Belkin via D-Link wireless on 802.11g.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I think the answer is that you are using a router and ICS doesn't
>>>work, nor should you want to use it, with a router. Let the router do
>>>the DHCP. Set both machines to get their IP address automagically via
>>>DHCP from the router. Uninstall ICS. Now the router should be your
>>>gateway (192.168.1.1 or whatever the Belkin default subnet is) and the
>>>machines will be whatever the Belkin assigns them on the same subnet.
>>>They will both have Internet access.
>>
>>I think you might be missing the point that he is only using the
>>router to route to the wireless network (or, essentially as an AP),
>>NOT as a jetstream router etc. The internet comes in through the ME
>>box, and (rightly) needs to be distributed from their via ICS, rather
>>than from the router.
>>
>>OP: Correct me if I'm wrong.
>
>
> Quite possibly you're right, but why would he do that if he has a
> router? If it is the normal dsl wired/wireless router, why not use it
> as such? Perhaps it isn't a real router? I'm not familiar with that
> particular Belkin modem/router combo, but the ones I've seen (2Wire
> modem/routers used in this area by SBC for their home networking setup
> with their DSL, including the wireless segment) work as regular routers
> and ICS isn't used.
>
> It will be interesting to see more information from the OP.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Malke

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:57:55 +1300, EMB <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>The OP stated that he's using dial-up *NOT* ADSL so he doesn't have any
>option to use the Belkin router for internet sharing.

Well, there are such things as a "LAN Modem". I use them for
customers that don't have broadband or to provide a backup for the
main pipe to the internet. A good example is the 3Com 3C886A:
http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/d...&sku=3C886A-US

It has a built in router, so there's no need for the Belkin router
except to do wireless. Turning the Belkin into an access point will
work. About $40-$80 on eBay.

--
Jeff Liebermann (E-Mail Removed)
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558

Malke wrote:

> Quite possibly you're right, but why would he do that if he has a
> router? If it is the normal dsl wired/wireless router, why not use it
> as such? Perhaps it isn't a real router? I'm not familiar with that
> particular Belkin modem/router combo, but the ones I've seen (2Wire
> modem/routers used in this area by SBC for their home networking setup
> with their DSL, including the wireless segment) work as regular routers
> and ICS isn't used.
>
> It will be interesting to see more information from the OP.

Maybe he's on dialup? Even without using the ADSL port on te router,
he's getting a heap of functionality (wireless for one, DHCP server also)

"Malke" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Gurble wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:54:03 -0800, Malke <(E-Mail Removed)>
> > had this to say:
> >
> >>> Host = Desktop ME
> >>> Client = Laptop 2000
> >>> Router = Belkin ADSL Modem with built in wireless router (Not using
> >>> modem)
> >>> Configuration = Desktop connected to Belkin via Ethernet 802.11b,
> >>> Laptop connected to Belkin via D-Link wireless on 802.11g.
> >>>
> >>
> >>I think the answer is that you are using a router and ICS doesn't
> >>work, nor should you want to use it, with a router. Let the router do
> >>the DHCP. Set both machines to get their IP address automagically via
> >>DHCP from the router. Uninstall ICS. Now the router should be your
> >>gateway (192.168.1.1 or whatever the Belkin default subnet is) and the
> >>machines will be whatever the Belkin assigns them on the same subnet.
> >>They will both have Internet access.
> >
> > I think you might be missing the point that he is only using the
> > router to route to the wireless network (or, essentially as an AP),
> > NOT as a jetstream router etc. The internet comes in through the ME
> > box, and (rightly) needs to be distributed from their via ICS, rather
> > than from the router.
> >
> > OP: Correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> Quite possibly you're right, but why would he do that if he has a
> router? If it is the normal dsl wired/wireless router, why not use it
> as such? Perhaps it isn't a real router? I'm not familiar with that
> particular Belkin modem/router combo, but the ones I've seen (2Wire
> modem/routers used in this area by SBC for their home networking setup
> with their DSL, including the wireless segment) work as regular routers
> and ICS isn't used.
>
> It will be interesting to see more information from the OP.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Malke

Thanks to all that have replied with suggestions to my
problem...................
I only have dial up access, I am using the ADSL modem/wireless router in an
effort to get rid of the cables (crossover).
I think I have narrowed the problem down to the router assigning IP's which
screws up ICS.
When I have the router doing DHCP I can access my 2 pc LAN with no problems,
except ICS.
When I turn off DHCP in the router I lose all LAN connectivity.
I am currently playing around with router settings in an effort to let me
assign 192.168.0.1 to the ME machine.
I've done this but have yet to configure the other bits to get my LAN
communicating again.
Cheers
Southern Kiwi

"Jeff Liebermann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:57:55 +1300, EMB <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >The OP stated that he's using dial-up *NOT* ADSL so he doesn't have any
> >option to use the Belkin router for internet sharing.
>
> Well, there are such things as a "LAN Modem". I use them for
> customers that don't have broadband or to provide a backup for the
> main pipe to the internet. A good example is the 3Com 3C886A:
>
http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/d...&sku=3C886A-US
>
> It has a built in router, so there's no need for the Belkin router
> except to do wireless. Turning the Belkin into an access point will
> work. About $40-$80 on eBay.
>
I already have the Belkin so would prefer to use that.
Cheers
Southern Kiwi