ICS (dial-up) on Wireless Network (MN700/MN720)

I have finally gotten my computers to see each other using a desktop that is
wired to the base station (MN700) and my lap top using the MN720. However
when I try and set up ICS using the desktop as the one with the dial up
things go wrong and I usually lose connection all together. On both the
computers in the network connections widow there is now a "Internet
Connection" that can not be deleted only enabled (and it won't as I do not
have broadband).

Any suggestions on how to change what I have so I can enable ICS? I have
used ICS on other networks but they were not wireless and worked fine. It
seems that I have to some how work around the lack of a broadband
connection. Also, in the changes needed what do I need to do to make sure
my computers are secure? I have gotten some other help but I must be a
little dense as it did not help. I do understand to some extent networking
through routers using Ethernet cables but for some reason I am having issues
with the wireless setup.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Tony

P.S. Thanks to those who have given suggestion previously.

Tony, first, please stay in the same thread so we know what has been
discussed previously without hunting for it. 8-)

As the Knowledge Base article indicates, you first need to set up Internet
Connection Sharing on the system which has the modem. Then you add the base
station to that via the NIC (out to the base station) in access mode.
Details of how to set up the access mode are in the base station
instructions.

After that, you establish the networking adapter on your laptop to talk with
the base station. This will share the connection to the laptop
automatically through ICS.

It sounds as if the steps are out of order at the moment, and you need to
backtrack to the beginning again. Go back to the KB article I cited, and
methodically go step-by-step (considering where it mentions the USB device
to be your dial-up modem).

For security of your computers, you need to be running a software firewall
since you're running the base station after you're accepting the signal on
the modem from your Internet Service Provider. You'll then need to program
the firewall to allow the LAN traffic from your laptop.

As I said before, this system is unsupported with Microsoft's Broadband
Networking hardware and software, but can be done.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

"Tony" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I have finally gotten my computers to see each other using a desktop that
is
> wired to the base station (MN700) and my lap top using the MN720. However
> when I try and set up ICS using the desktop as the one with the dial up
> things go wrong and I usually lose connection all together. On both the
> computers in the network connections widow there is now a "Internet
> Connection" that can not be deleted only enabled (and it won't as I do not
> have broadband).
>
> Any suggestions on how to change what I have so I can enable ICS? I have
> used ICS on other networks but they were not wireless and worked fine. It
> seems that I have to some how work around the lack of a broadband
> connection. Also, in the changes needed what do I need to do to make sure
> my computers are secure? I have gotten some other help but I must be a
> little dense as it did not help. I do understand to some extent
networking
> through routers using Ethernet cables but for some reason I am having
issues
> with the wireless setup.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Tony
>
> P.S. Thanks to those who have given suggestion previously.
>
>

Regarding the firewall, if you are using XP on the dialup
computer, just turn the XP built-in firewall on the
dialup connection (it's on the properties contextual menu
for the dialup). This is far simpler than a software
firewall, since doesn't require configuring the firewall
to allow access to the other computers on the LAN
(essentially you firewall the dialup, but not the LAN).

>-----Original Message-----
>Tony, first, please stay in the same thread so we know
what has been
>discussed previously without hunting for it. 8-)
>
>As the Knowledge Base article indicates, you first need
to set up Internet
>Connection Sharing on the system which has the modem.
Then you add the base
>station to that via the NIC (out to the base station) in
access mode.
>Details of how to set up the access mode are in the base
station
>instructions.
>
>After that, you establish the networking adapter on your
laptop to talk with
>the base station. This will share the connection to the
laptop
>automatically through ICS.
>
>It sounds as if the steps are out of order at the
moment, and you need to
>backtrack to the beginning again. Go back to the KB
article I cited, and
>methodically go step-by-step (considering where it
mentions the USB device
>to be your dial-up modem).
>
>For security of your computers, you need to be running a
software firewall
>since you're running the base station after you're
accepting the signal on
>the modem from your Internet Service Provider. You'll
then need to program
>the firewall to allow the LAN traffic from your laptop.
>
>As I said before, this system is unsupported with
Microsoft's Broadband
>Networking hardware and software, but can be done.
>--
>Chris H.
>Microsoft Windows MVP
>Associate Expert
>Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>"Tony" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I have finally gotten my computers to see each other
using a desktop that
>is
>> wired to the base station (MN700) and my lap top using
the MN720. However
>> when I try and set up ICS using the desktop as the one
with the dial up
>> things go wrong and I usually lose connection all
together. On both the
>> computers in the network connections widow there is
now a "Internet
>> Connection" that can not be deleted only enabled (and
it won't as I do not
>> have broadband).
>>
>> Any suggestions on how to change what I have so I can
enable ICS? I have
>> used ICS on other networks but they were not wireless
and worked fine. It
>> seems that I have to some how work around the lack of
a broadband
>> connection. Also, in the changes needed what do I
need to do to make sure
>> my computers are secure? I have gotten some other
help but I must be a
>> little dense as it did not help. I do understand to
some extent
>networking
>> through routers using Ethernet cables but for some
reason I am having
>issues
>> with the wireless setup.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> P.S. Thanks to those who have given suggestion
previously.
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>

Since the Unit is essentially being used as an access point does there need
to be additional firewall protection or does the base station still, after
using bridging, protect enough against others coming through the base unit
via other wireless units?

Thanks ,

Tony
"Paulo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:e0e101c3f016$e08f99c0$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Regarding the firewall, if you are using XP on the dialup
> computer, just turn the XP built-in firewall on the
> dialup connection (it's on the properties contextual menu
> for the dialup). This is far simpler than a software
> firewall, since doesn't require configuring the firewall
> to allow access to the other computers on the LAN
> (essentially you firewall the dialup, but not the LAN).
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Tony, first, please stay in the same thread so we know
> what has been
> >discussed previously without hunting for it. 8-)
> >
> >As the Knowledge Base article indicates, you first need
> to set up Internet
> >Connection Sharing on the system which has the modem.
> Then you add the base
> >station to that via the NIC (out to the base station) in
> access mode.
> >Details of how to set up the access mode are in the base
> station
> >instructions.
> >
> >After that, you establish the networking adapter on your
> laptop to talk with
> >the base station. This will share the connection to the
> laptop
> >automatically through ICS.
> >
> >It sounds as if the steps are out of order at the
> moment, and you need to
> >backtrack to the beginning again. Go back to the KB
> article I cited, and
> >methodically go step-by-step (considering where it
> mentions the USB device
> >to be your dial-up modem).
> >
> >For security of your computers, you need to be running a
> software firewall
> >since you're running the base station after you're
> accepting the signal on
> >the modem from your Internet Service Provider. You'll
> then need to program
> >the firewall to allow the LAN traffic from your laptop.
> >
> >As I said before, this system is unsupported with
> Microsoft's Broadband
> >Networking hardware and software, but can be done.
> >--
> >Chris H.
> >Microsoft Windows MVP
> >Associate Expert
> >Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >
> >"Tony" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> I have finally gotten my computers to see each other
> using a desktop that
> >is
> >> wired to the base station (MN700) and my lap top using
> the MN720. However
> >> when I try and set up ICS using the desktop as the one
> with the dial up
> >> things go wrong and I usually lose connection all
> together. On both the
> >> computers in the network connections widow there is
> now a "Internet
> >> Connection" that can not be deleted only enabled (and
> it won't as I do not
> >> have broadband).
> >>
> >> Any suggestions on how to change what I have so I can
> enable ICS? I have
> >> used ICS on other networks but they were not wireless
> and worked fine. It
> >> seems that I have to some how work around the lack of
> a broadband
> >> connection. Also, in the changes needed what do I
> need to do to make sure
> >> my computers are secure? I have gotten some other
> help but I must be a
> >> little dense as it did not help. I do understand to
> some extent
> >networking
> >> through routers using Ethernet cables but for some
> reason I am having
> >issues
> >> with the wireless setup.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for your help.
> >>
> >> Tony
> >>
> >> P.S. Thanks to those who have given suggestion
> previously.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >.
> >

The base station firewall only protects against attacks
from incoming connections through the modem port, and not
for connections from within the LAN. The base station
assumes that other units in the LAN are trusted and does
not provide protection from those. The same applies for
wired and wireless.

The typical setting is to limit who connects to the base
station (e.g. WEP, MAC filtering) to trusted computers
only. If you are using a dialup and all computers on the
net are "safe" (e.g. all belong to you) then you only
need to firewall the dialup connection.

However, if this is not your case (e.g. wants to provide
access to "guests") you have to set individual firewalls
on each individual computer.

>-----Original Message-----
>Since the Unit is essentially being used as an access
point does there need
>to be additional firewall protection or does the base
station still, after
>using bridging, protect enough against others coming
through the base unit
>via other wireless units?
>
>Thanks ,
>
>Tony
>"Paulo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message
>news:e0e101c3f016$e08f99c0$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Regarding the firewall, if you are using XP on the
dialup
>> computer, just turn the XP built-in firewall on the
>> dialup connection (it's on the properties contextual
menu
>> for the dialup). This is far simpler than a software
>> firewall, since doesn't require configuring the
firewall
>> to allow access to the other computers on the LAN
>> (essentially you firewall the dialup, but not the LAN).
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Tony, first, please stay in the same thread so we know
>> what has been
>> >discussed previously without hunting for it. 8-)
>> >
>> >As the Knowledge Base article indicates, you first
need
>> to set up Internet
>> >Connection Sharing on the system which has the modem.
>> Then you add the base
>> >station to that via the NIC (out to the base station)
in
>> access mode.
>> >Details of how to set up the access mode are in the
base
>> station
>> >instructions.
>> >
>> >After that, you establish the networking adapter on
your
>> laptop to talk with
>> >the base station. This will share the connection to
the
>> laptop
>> >automatically through ICS.
>> >
>> >It sounds as if the steps are out of order at the
>> moment, and you need to
>> >backtrack to the beginning again. Go back to the KB
>> article I cited, and
>> >methodically go step-by-step (considering where it
>> mentions the USB device
>> >to be your dial-up modem).
>> >
>> >For security of your computers, you need to be
running a
>> software firewall
>> >since you're running the base station after you're
>> accepting the signal on
>> >the modem from your Internet Service Provider. You'll
>> then need to program
>> >the firewall to allow the LAN traffic from your
laptop.
>> >
>> >As I said before, this system is unsupported with
>> Microsoft's Broadband
>> >Networking hardware and software, but can be done.
>> >--
>> >Chris H.
>> >Microsoft Windows MVP
>> >Associate Expert
>> >Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> >
>> >"Tony" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> I have finally gotten my computers to see each other
>> using a desktop that
>> >is
>> >> wired to the base station (MN700) and my lap top
using
>> the MN720. However
>> >> when I try and set up ICS using the desktop as the
one
>> with the dial up
>> >> things go wrong and I usually lose connection all
>> together. On both the
>> >> computers in the network connections widow there is
>> now a "Internet
>> >> Connection" that can not be deleted only enabled
(and
>> it won't as I do not
>> >> have broadband).
>> >>
>> >> Any suggestions on how to change what I have so I
can
>> enable ICS? I have
>> >> used ICS on other networks but they were not
wireless
>> and worked fine. It
>> >> seems that I have to some how work around the lack
of
>> a broadband
>> >> connection. Also, in the changes needed what do I
>> need to do to make sure
>> >> my computers are secure? I have gotten some other
>> help but I must be a
>> >> little dense as it did not help. I do understand to
>> some extent
>> >networking
>> >> through routers using Ethernet cables but for some
>> reason I am having
>> >issues
>> >> with the wireless setup.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance for your help.
>> >>
>> >> Tony
>> >>
>> >> P.S. Thanks to those who have given suggestion
>> previously.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

The base station is AFTER your Internet connection, Tony, so you need to run
the firewall on the connection. The base station doesn't do "firewall" in
access mode.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

"Tony" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Since the Unit is essentially being used as an access point does there
need
> to be additional firewall protection or does the base station still, after
> using bridging, protect enough against others coming through the base unit
> via other wireless units?
>
> Thanks ,
>
> Tony
> "Paulo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:e0e101c3f016$e08f99c0$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Regarding the firewall, if you are using XP on the dialup
> > computer, just turn the XP built-in firewall on the
> > dialup connection (it's on the properties contextual menu
> > for the dialup). This is far simpler than a software
> > firewall, since doesn't require configuring the firewall
> > to allow access to the other computers on the LAN
> > (essentially you firewall the dialup, but not the LAN).
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >Tony, first, please stay in the same thread so we know
> > what has been
> > >discussed previously without hunting for it. 8-)
> > >
> > >As the Knowledge Base article indicates, you first need
> > to set up Internet
> > >Connection Sharing on the system which has the modem.
> > Then you add the base
> > >station to that via the NIC (out to the base station) in
> > access mode.
> > >Details of how to set up the access mode are in the base
> > station
> > >instructions.
> > >
> > >After that, you establish the networking adapter on your
> > laptop to talk with
> > >the base station. This will share the connection to the
> > laptop
> > >automatically through ICS.
> > >
> > >It sounds as if the steps are out of order at the
> > moment, and you need to
> > >backtrack to the beginning again. Go back to the KB
> > article I cited, and
> > >methodically go step-by-step (considering where it
> > mentions the USB device
> > >to be your dial-up modem).
> > >
> > >For security of your computers, you need to be running a
> > software firewall
> > >since you're running the base station after you're
> > accepting the signal on
> > >the modem from your Internet Service Provider. You'll
> > then need to program
> > >the firewall to allow the LAN traffic from your laptop.
> > >
> > >As I said before, this system is unsupported with
> > Microsoft's Broadband
> > >Networking hardware and software, but can be done.
> > >--
> > >Chris H.
> > >Microsoft Windows MVP
> > >Associate Expert
> > >Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > >
> > >"Tony" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > >news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >> I have finally gotten my computers to see each other
> > using a desktop that
> > >is
> > >> wired to the base station (MN700) and my lap top using
> > the MN720. However
> > >> when I try and set up ICS using the desktop as the one
> > with the dial up
> > >> things go wrong and I usually lose connection all
> > together. On both the
> > >> computers in the network connections widow there is
> > now a "Internet
> > >> Connection" that can not be deleted only enabled (and
> > it won't as I do not
> > >> have broadband).
> > >>
> > >> Any suggestions on how to change what I have so I can
> > enable ICS? I have
> > >> used ICS on other networks but they were not wireless
> > and worked fine. It
> > >> seems that I have to some how work around the lack of
> > a broadband
> > >> connection. Also, in the changes needed what do I
> > need to do to make sure
> > >> my computers are secure? I have gotten some other
> > help but I must be a
> > >> little dense as it did not help. I do understand to
> > some extent
> > >networking
> > >> through routers using Ethernet cables but for some
> > reason I am having
> > >issues
> > >> with the wireless setup.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks in advance for your help.
> > >>
> > >> Tony
> > >>
> > >> P.S. Thanks to those who have given suggestion
> > previously.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> > >
>
>

Well I tried to follow the instructions as far as emulating a USB satellite
connection but when it gets to the section on setting the base station to
"bridging mode" this is not an option in the MN-700. I did try to use
"Access Point" mode but after the base station programs itself the base
station tool does not work. I then went and tried to set up the wireless
adapter on my lap top and when it looks for the base station it asks for the
WEP. I have put in the WEP that was on the base station prior to the
changing to "Access Point" but it does not accept it. I guess I am at a
point where I am not sure which direction to go. The easy way would be to
ad broad band but for various reasons that will not happen for some time.

Any suggestions? On the lap top I can see the base station that I set back
to the original mode of router so I can at least share the printer. In the
"Network Connections" window there is showing a "Internet Connection
(Internet Gateway)" that I can not turn off as it is trying to enable
itself. I think if this was not there I might be able to set up the ICS. I
did try just running the ICS set-up but it set up bridging which disabled
the wireless connection so it could not see the desktop.

Thanks for any more help you can offer.

Tony
"Chris H." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:ueVGE4$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Tony, first, please stay in the same thread so we know what has been
> discussed previously without hunting for it. 8-)
>
> As the Knowledge Base article indicates, you first need to set up Internet
> Connection Sharing on the system which has the modem. Then you add the
base
> station to that via the NIC (out to the base station) in access mode.
> Details of how to set up the access mode are in the base station
> instructions.
>
> After that, you establish the networking adapter on your laptop to talk
with
> the base station. This will share the connection to the laptop
> automatically through ICS.
>
> It sounds as if the steps are out of order at the moment, and you need to
> backtrack to the beginning again. Go back to the KB article I cited, and
> methodically go step-by-step (considering where it mentions the USB device
> to be your dial-up modem).
>
> For security of your computers, you need to be running a software firewall
> since you're running the base station after you're accepting the signal on
> the modem from your Internet Service Provider. You'll then need to
program
> the firewall to allow the LAN traffic from your laptop.
>
> As I said before, this system is unsupported with Microsoft's Broadband
> Networking hardware and software, but can be done.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
> "Tony" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I have finally gotten my computers to see each other using a desktop
that
> is
> > wired to the base station (MN700) and my lap top using the MN720.
However
> > when I try and set up ICS using the desktop as the one with the dial up
> > things go wrong and I usually lose connection all together. On both the
> > computers in the network connections widow there is now a "Internet
> > Connection" that can not be deleted only enabled (and it won't as I do
not
> > have broadband).
> >
> > Any suggestions on how to change what I have so I can enable ICS? I
have
> > used ICS on other networks but they were not wireless and worked fine.
It
> > seems that I have to some how work around the lack of a broadband
> > connection. Also, in the changes needed what do I need to do to make
sure
> > my computers are secure? I have gotten some other help but I must be a
> > little dense as it did not help. I do understand to some extent
> networking
> > through routers using Ethernet cables but for some reason I am having
> issues
> > with the wireless setup.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your help.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > P.S. Thanks to those who have given suggestion previously.
> >
> >
>
>

The proper way to set the base station into access mode is on Page 23 on the
User's Guide. After you do that, you need to turn off the base station and
the computer attached, then reset them.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

"Tony" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Well I tried to follow the instructions as far as emulating a USB
satellite
> connection but when it gets to the section on setting the base station to
> "bridging mode" this is not an option in the MN-700. I did try to use
> "Access Point" mode but after the base station programs itself the base
> station tool does not work. I then went and tried to set up the wireless
> adapter on my lap top and when it looks for the base station it asks for
the
> WEP. I have put in the WEP that was on the base station prior to the
> changing to "Access Point" but it does not accept it. I guess I am at a
> point where I am not sure which direction to go. The easy way would be to
> ad broad band but for various reasons that will not happen for some time.
>
> Any suggestions? On the lap top I can see the base station that I set
back
> to the original mode of router so I can at least share the printer. In
the
> "Network Connections" window there is showing a "Internet Connection
> (Internet Gateway)" that I can not turn off as it is trying to enable
> itself. I think if this was not there I might be able to set up the ICS.
I
> did try just running the ICS set-up but it set up bridging which disabled
> the wireless connection so it could not see the desktop.
>
> Thanks for any more help you can offer.
>
> Tony
> "Chris H." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:ueVGE4$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Tony, first, please stay in the same thread so we know what has been
> > discussed previously without hunting for it. 8-)
> >
> > As the Knowledge Base article indicates, you first need to set up
Internet
> > Connection Sharing on the system which has the modem. Then you add the
> base
> > station to that via the NIC (out to the base station) in access mode.
> > Details of how to set up the access mode are in the base station
> > instructions.
> >
> > After that, you establish the networking adapter on your laptop to talk
> with
> > the base station. This will share the connection to the laptop
> > automatically through ICS.
> >
> > It sounds as if the steps are out of order at the moment, and you need
to
> > backtrack to the beginning again. Go back to the KB article I cited,
and
> > methodically go step-by-step (considering where it mentions the USB
device
> > to be your dial-up modem).
> >
> > For security of your computers, you need to be running a software
firewall
> > since you're running the base station after you're accepting the signal
on
> > the modem from your Internet Service Provider. You'll then need to
> program
> > the firewall to allow the LAN traffic from your laptop.
> >
> > As I said before, this system is unsupported with Microsoft's Broadband
> > Networking hardware and software, but can be done.
> > --
> > Chris H.
> > Microsoft Windows MVP
> > Associate Expert
> > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >
> > "Tony" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > I have finally gotten my computers to see each other using a desktop
> that
> > is
> > > wired to the base station (MN700) and my lap top using the MN720.
> However
> > > when I try and set up ICS using the desktop as the one with the dial
up
> > > things go wrong and I usually lose connection all together. On both
the
> > > computers in the network connections widow there is now a "Internet
> > > Connection" that can not be deleted only enabled (and it won't as I do
> not
> > > have broadband).
> > >
> > > Any suggestions on how to change what I have so I can enable ICS? I
> have
> > > used ICS on other networks but they were not wireless and worked fine.
> It
> > > seems that I have to some how work around the lack of a broadband
> > > connection. Also, in the changes needed what do I need to do to make
> sure
> > > my computers are secure? I have gotten some other help but I must be
a
> > > little dense as it did not help. I do understand to some extent
> > networking
> > > through routers using Ethernet cables but for some reason I am having
> > issues
> > > with the wireless setup.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for your help.
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> > > P.S. Thanks to those who have given suggestion previously.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>