Hyperterminal vs command line telnet

Why should it matter?
Using XP Pro to connect to a Debian box. In Hyperterminal, I get the login
prompt, so I know data has been passed, but that's it. I can't seem to
make it do anything from there, and it eventually times out. Command line
telnet to the same box works fine. Is there a difference between the two?
Also, when it is doing this, remote X login via Cygwin never connects.

Both hyperterm and Cygwin will sometimes work, but there doesn't seem to be
any rhyme or reason to when they work or fail. Am I missing something
obvious?

FWIW, the Debian box is plugged into a WAP, and the XP box has both
ethernet and wireless to the same router. I've tried only using one
connection with the other disabled, but both seem to exhibit the same
behavior.

"Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Why should it matter?
> Using XP Pro to connect to a Debian box. In Hyperterminal, I get the
login
> prompt, so I know data has been passed, but that's it. I can't seem to
> make it do anything from there, and it eventually times out. Command line
> telnet to the same box works fine. Is there a difference between the two?
> Also, when it is doing this, remote X login via Cygwin never connects.
>
> Both hyperterm and Cygwin will sometimes work, but there doesn't seem to
be
> any rhyme or reason to when they work or fail. Am I missing something
> obvious?
>
> FWIW, the Debian box is plugged into a WAP, and the XP box has both
> ethernet and wireless to the same router. I've tried only using one
> connection with the other disabled, but both seem to exhibit the same
> behavior.
>

Try PuTTY for telnet / ssh

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/


B

"Brendon Caligari" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> Try PuTTY for telnet / ssh
>
> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/

Well, that seems to help somewhat, but it stll leaves me wondering what's
going on with the other stuff.

"Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Brendon Caligari" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> news:40fda401$0$58815$(E-Mail Removed):
>
>
> > Try PuTTY for telnet / ssh
> >
> > http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
>
> Well, that seems to help somewhat, but it stll leaves me wondering what's
> going on with the other stuff.
>

that makes two of us

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:54:25 +0000, Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH wrote:
> "Brendon Caligari" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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>
>> Try PuTTY for telnet / ssh
>>
>> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
>
> Well, that seems to help somewhat, but it stll leaves me wondering what's
> going on with the other stuff.

Who knows? Busted app? I've read that Solaris users haven't been happy
with Hyperterm serial line connections either. Maybe it's flakey? It was a
demo, wasn't it? I seem to recall that on OS/2 they gave you a demo
Hyperterm and lots of pestering (popups?) to upgrade to the "real product".

I also use PuTTY. It's a good habit to get into using ssh. Telnet is a
security risk, since it sends username & password in cleartext! (ftp too!)

--
Juhan Leemet
Logicognosis, Inc.

"Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<Xns952CAFC55E9AAkd5nrhyahoocom@38.144.126.10 3>...
> Why should it matter?
> Using XP Pro to connect to a Debian box. In Hyperterminal, I get the login
> prompt, so I know data has been passed, but that's it. I can't seem to
> make it do anything from there, and it eventually times out. Command line
> telnet to the same box works fine. Is there a difference between the two?
Well, the obvious one is that hyperterminal is serial, telnet is
ethernet.
Yes, you get the login prompt, but you don't know if you are sending
anything in the other direction.

one trick is to run cu from the debian box, to the same serial port.
cu -p /dev/ttyS0 -s 9600

then you can type on both machines and see what happens on the other.

Things to watch: handshake lines - set hyperterminal to handshake
'none'.


> Also, when it is doing this, remote X login via Cygwin never connects.
Do you mean it does otherwise? I'd check you are setting xhost + on
cygwin - and giving it time to work - before attempting to connect.

On 20 Jul 2004, Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Why should it matter?
> Using XP Pro to connect to a Debian box. In Hyperterminal, I get the login
> prompt, so I know data has been passed, but that's it. I can't seem to
> make it do anything from there, and it eventually times out. Command line
> telnet to the same box works fine. Is there a difference between the two?
> Also, when it is doing this, remote X login via Cygwin never connects.

Hyperterminal (or minicom in Linux) uses a serial link (like null modem
cable or direct shell dialup). Typically you set up a getty of some sort
on the destination to handle the login. There is no networking (tcp/ip)
for such a connection, so X programs would not work on a direct shell
login.

Telnet (or ssh) connect over tcp/ip (ethernet connection). Putty is a
Windows ssh (or telnet) client (ssh is much more secure, especially when
using wireless, or public network like internet).

> Both hyperterm and Cygwin will sometimes work, but there doesn't seem to be
> any rhyme or reason to when they work or fail. Am I missing something
> obvious?
>
> FWIW, the Debian box is plugged into a WAP, and the XP box has both
> ethernet and wireless to the same router. I've tried only using one
> connection with the other disabled, but both seem to exhibit the same
> behavior.

You do not mention anything about a serial or modem connection, or
configuring a getty in /etc/inittab for such a connection, so I would be
surprised if Hyperterminal worked at all (except maybe to chat AT codes to
a local modem on its own box). The Text-Terminal-HOWTO explains this.

--
David Efflandt - All spam ignored http://www.de-srv.com/

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(E-Mail Removed) (David Efflandt) wrote in
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> You do not mention anything about a serial or modem connection, or
> configuring a getty in /etc/inittab for such a connection, so I
> would be surprised if Hyperterminal worked at all (except maybe to
> chat AT codes to a local modem on its own box). The
> Text-Terminal-HOWTO
> explains this.

Hyperterminal has an option in the connection properties for TCP/IP
connection.

Interestingly, everything seems to be working now, and the only thing
that's changed is that I rebooted the Linux box today. Hyperterm
does fine, if a bit slow, PuTTY ssh works fine, and Cygwin popped
right up without any real delay. Now I just have to figure out what
the heck was changed.


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On 23 Jul 2004, Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> (E-Mail Removed) (David Efflandt) wrote in
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>> You do not mention anything about a serial or modem connection, or
>> configuring a getty in /etc/inittab for such a connection, so I
>> would be surprised if Hyperterminal worked at all (except maybe to
>> chat AT codes to a local modem on its own box). The
>> Text-Terminal-HOWTO
>> explains this.
>
> Hyperterminal has an option in the connection properties for TCP/IP
> connection.
>
> Interestingly, everything seems to be working now, and the only thing
> that's changed is that I rebooted the Linux box today. Hyperterm
> does fine, if a bit slow, PuTTY ssh works fine, and Cygwin popped
> right up without any real delay. Now I just have to figure out what
> the heck was changed.

Delays in tcp/ip are often timeouts due to tcpwrappers attempting to
resolve a name for connecting IP. This can depend upon hosts.allow,
hosts.deny, /etc/hosts, or if nameserver(s) in /etc/resolv.conf are not
reachable or do not respond (like for your ISP when not connected). So
perhaps something changed in one of those files (or local DNS if doing
your own).

--
David Efflandt - All spam ignored http://www.de-srv.com/

(E-Mail Removed) (David Efflandt) wrote in
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> Delays in tcp/ip are often timeouts due to tcpwrappers attempting to
> resolve a name for connecting IP. This can depend upon hosts.allow,
> hosts.deny, /etc/hosts, or if nameserver(s) in /etc/resolv.conf are not
> reachable or do not respond (like for your ISP when not connected). So
> perhaps something changed in one of those files (or local DNS if doing
> your own).

First off, to make this easier to describe:
catfish - Debian box, has the modem, and 100baseT to
4-port 802.11g WAP
bass - XP Pro box, 100baseT to WAP, and 802.11g card
perch - XP Pro box, 802.11g only

Everybody has everybody else in hosts, the linux box is gatewaying for
everybody else. (But for some reason I haven't really delved into very
much, can't see the internet at all itself...hasn't been a big issue yet,
but suggestions are welcome) Bass is pretty much the one I use, since it's
by far the fastest, has the best monitor, and the comfiest chair in front
of it.

From bass, command line or PuTTY telnet will work consistently, while
TCP/IP connection from hyperterminal will timeout - sometimes.
cygwin -query catfish will display pretty much the same behavior, except
that it works more often than hyperterm. I've tried it with and without
perch shut down, and with all possible permutations of bass's two
connections, and it's pretty consistent, except that sometimes it will
start working again for no apparent reason when something changes - nothing
in particular, though.