Hub to router connection

I hooked up my Linksys BEFW11S4 router/access point, and had problems with
connectivity (as I see many others have as well). I decided to hardwire both
of my desktop pc's into my hub like they were before, and now they're fine.
However, I'd still like to use the access point for the wireless laptop.

What I did was run a standard ethernet cable from the Linksys router/access
point to the hub- both through the regular ports (The linksys doesn't have
an uplink port). As you've probably figured out, it doesn't work. Linksys
support said I could use that setup as long as I used a crossover cable
instead. Does this sound right, or is there a better way to go? Another
consideration I need to factor in is that my isp (Cox) will probably charge
me if I need a third IP address, so I'd like to avoid that...
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-Bill
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Bill <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> I hooked up my Linksys BEFW11S4 router/access point, and had problems with
> connectivity (as I see many others have as well). I decided to hardwire both
> of my desktop pc's into my hub like they were before, and now they're fine.
> However, I'd still like to use the access point for the wireless laptop.

> What I did was run a standard ethernet cable from the Linksys router/access
> point to the hub- both through the regular ports (The linksys doesn't have
> an uplink port). As you've probably figured out, it doesn't work. Linksys
> support said I could use that setup as long as I used a crossover cable
> instead. Does this sound right, or is there a better way to go? Another
> consideration I need to factor in is that my isp (Cox) will probably charge
> me if I need a third IP address, so I'd like to avoid that...

A crossover cable would work, but your BEFW11S4 does have an uplink port.
Across the back, it has ports 1-2-3-4/uplink. The uplink port won't work if
there is anything plugged in to port 4. They are actually the same port
with different pinouts for convenience. The WAN port should be empty.

On the other hand, my BEFW11S4 Version 3 has had no problems operating as
the router for my PPPoE DSL connection.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5

I've got 5 ports, named: Internet, 1, 2, 3 and 4 - that's from left to
right. Is yours different? If one of those is my uplink port, does that mean
I can avoid the crossover cable? And if so, what should be my current setup?
Again, I've got two pc's tied into the hub, and then the router will tie
into the hub as well, to support the wireless laptop.

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-Bill
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<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> A crossover cable would work, but your BEFW11S4 does have an uplink port.
> Across the back, it has ports 1-2-3-4/uplink. The uplink port won't work
if
> there is anything plugged in to port 4. They are actually the same port
> with different pinouts for convenience. The WAN port should be empty.
>
> On the other hand, my BEFW11S4 Version 3 has had no problems operating as
> the router for my PPPoE DSL connection.
>
> --
> ---
> Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5

"Bill" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> I hooked up my Linksys BEFW11S4 router/access point, and had problems
> with connectivity (as I see many others have as well). I decided to
> hardwire both of my desktop pc's into my hub like they were before,
> and now they're fine. However, I'd still like to use the access point
> for the wireless laptop.
>
> What I did was run a standard ethernet cable from the Linksys
> router/access point to the hub- both through the regular ports (The
> linksys doesn't have an uplink port). As you've probably figured out,
> it doesn't work. Linksys support said I could use that setup as long
> as I used a crossover cable instead. Does this sound right, or is
> there a better way to go? Another consideration I need to factor in
> is that my isp (Cox) will probably charge me if I need a third IP
> address, so I'd like to avoid that... --
> -Bill
> ------
>
>

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Bill,
You can get a crossover cable (if neither the hub or the router as an
uplink port) but why not just use the router as intended and then you
don't have to worry about using up any more Cox IP addresses.

You can leave the hub in if you want for testing access between the
cable modem and your router but why bother ??

Better .... just plug the WAN side of your router into the cable modem
and then plug your two desktops into the LAN ports on the back of the
router.

This will put the two desktops on the same network with the wireless
laptop and sheild them from the Cox network. To Cox it will look like
you are using only one IP address (the WAN side of the router).

If your desktops that are currently connected to the hub really have
static addresses (doubtful) then transfer that information from one of
them to the WAN side configuration of your router. If the desktops are
working DHCP (likely) then all you have to do is plug everything
together .. The router will pull an IP from Cox ... the desktops and
laptop will get theirs from the router.

I have a similar setup ... When it was originally installed the
installer said ... "hey .. you can have up to five IP addresses"
(assigned dynamically from the ISP). He wanted to put a hub on for me to
be able to connect all my PCs to.

I didn't want it that way because that meant I would be running my local
network on their side of the nickle. I originally used a single machine
between the WAN and my network with a proxy server .. later using ICS
and finally I put a cable/DSL router in there like you have.

This arrangement now only pulls "one" IP address from the ISP and all my
local network traffic stays on "my" side of the router and can not be
seen/sniffed from the network side.

IMHO as always ...
campbell

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> Bill,
> You can get a crossover cable (if neither the hub or the router as an
> uplink port) but why not just use the router as intended and then you
> don't have to worry about using up any more Cox IP addresses.
>
> You can leave the hub in if you want for testing access between the
> cable modem and your router but why bother ??
>
> Better .... just plug the WAN side of your router into the cable modem
> and then plug your two desktops into the LAN ports on the back of the
> router.
>
> This will put the two desktops on the same network with the wireless
> laptop and sheild them from the Cox network. To Cox it will look like
> you are using only one IP address (the WAN side of the router).
>
> If your desktops that are currently connected to the hub really have
> static addresses (doubtful) then transfer that information from one of
> them to the WAN side configuration of your router. If the desktops are
> working DHCP (likely) then all you have to do is plug everything
> together .. The router will pull an IP from Cox ... the desktops and
> laptop will get theirs from the router.
>
> I have a similar setup ... When it was originally installed the
> installer said ... "hey .. you can have up to five IP addresses"
> (assigned dynamically from the ISP). He wanted to put a hub on for me to
> be able to connect all my PCs to.
>
> I didn't want it that way because that meant I would be running my local
> network on their side of the nickle. I originally used a single machine
> between the WAN and my network with a proxy server .. later using ICS
> and finally I put a cable/DSL router in there like you have.
>
> This arrangement now only pulls "one" IP address from the ISP and all my
> local network traffic stays on "my" side of the router and can not be
> seen/sniffed from the network side.
>
> IMHO as always ...
> campbell

Thanks, TC
However, the router *as* a router does not work well, so I needed to bypass
it, while still using the access point for the wireless portion of the
network (laptop).

Then I'll need to buy another wireless access point as well. The Linksys
2-in-1 I've got won't allow you to bypass the router portion of the unit.

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-Bill
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"Mark" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> How bout buying a replacement router?
>
>

Why not? I have a BEFW11S4 working in an "AP only" mode right now.

Linksys even tells you how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?K36112715

Bob


"Bill" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Then I'll need to buy another wireless access point as well. The
Linksys
> 2-in-1 I've got won't allow you to bypass the router portion of the
unit.
>
> --
> -Bill
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> "Mark" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > How bout buying a replacement router?
> >
> >
>
>

I had read your post right after you responded, but I'm guessing you didn't
see where I had asked you a question that still remains unanswered.

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-Bill
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<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Bill <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > Then I'll need to buy another wireless access point as well. The Linksys
> > 2-in-1 I've got won't allow you to bypass the router portion of the
unit.
>
> You are wrong. I posted earlier. You should read the other posts, or the
> owners' manual, your choice.
>
> Or buy another unit.
>
>
> --
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> Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5

Ah! Now we're getting somewhere. Linksys support was helping me set up the
router this way, and told me I'd need to call my isp and find out their IP
range so that I could type it into the LAN IP Address field. However, my isp
said they wouldn't give out that information. I obtain my IP's dynamically
right now...
Where would I go from here?

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-Bill
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"Qwerty" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Why not? I have a BEFW11S4 working in an "AP only" mode right now.
>
> Linksys even tells you how:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?K36112715
>
> Bob
>
>
> "Bill" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:bkmLa.83706$%42.35549@fed1read06...
> > Then I'll need to buy another wireless access point as well. The
> Linksys
> > 2-in-1 I've got won't allow you to bypass the router portion of the
> unit.
> >
> > --
> > -Bill
> > ------
> > "Mark" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > How bout buying a replacement router?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

"Qwerty" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> Bill,
>
> I was not trying to solve your whole problem. I don't even know
> what the problem is, other than "the router *as* a router does not
work
> well" (your words). You'll have to give a bit more info if you want
> that.
>
> snip
>
> Now, if you'll post the model number & version of your router, as
> well as the firmware version, perhaps someone here can help you. It
> would be nice if you could explain exactly what you mean by the router
> not working well.
>
>
> Bob

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Let this thread go .. it is a circle jerk thread.

All responses are/will continue to be a reference to some mystery
detailed explaination which was supposed to have already occured.

The original poster is either incabable of communicating on a level
sufficent to advance or is intentionally being obscure.

campbell