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Soyrunner
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      10-16-2004, 06:22 PM
My network is 4 systems to a hub. 1 of those 4 is my gateway to a
cable-modem. The ISP looks for the gateway's MAC address. I'm using MASQ
for access to the web and Apache allows access to the gateway web page. I
also use port forwarding to one of the local machines for a personal BBS
(PHPBB). I have a single IP.

Net activity on the machines is mostly internet radio streaming on one to
sound-recorder & lame on another of news and programming to mp3 for the
hours I'm out running.

I wonder about packet collisions at the hub slowing the network down and am
considering one of the cheap D-Link routers I see on ebay (cost is a very
real issue). If I access many web pages while recording is going on I seem
to miss packets.

Would a change to a cheap router be a significant improvement over a hub
for my purposes? Thanks for any useful advice here.

Bill


 
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David M
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      10-17-2004, 02:57 PM
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:22:30 -0400, "Soyrunner" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>My network is 4 systems to a hub. 1 of those 4 is my gateway to a
>cable-modem. The ISP looks for the gateway's MAC address. I'm using MASQ
>for access to the web and Apache allows access to the gateway web page. I
>also use port forwarding to one of the local machines for a personal BBS
>(PHPBB). I have a single IP.
>
>Net activity on the machines is mostly internet radio streaming on one to
>sound-recorder & lame on another of news and programming to mp3 for the
>hours I'm out running.
>
>I wonder about packet collisions at the hub slowing the network down and am
>considering one of the cheap D-Link routers I see on ebay (cost is a very
>real issue). If I access many web pages while recording is going on I seem
>to miss packets.
>
> Would a change to a cheap router be a significant improvement over a hub
>for my purposes? Thanks for any useful advice here.
>
>Bill
>


Hi,

What you require is a switch which just drops in place of the hub.

A switch partitions the dataflows between workstations so that only the
workstations communicating directly with each other see the data that they
are exchanging. Multiple dataflows can take place on a single switch at the
same time without interference such as collisions.

Unless you intend to replace the gateway machine with a router, then a
router will not be of much use. In this case pick a router with at least a
four port switch on the LAN side.

Switches in general are usually much faster than routers since they work on
MAC addresses, not IP addresses.

You should look to see that any switch you may buy supports at least 10/100
full duplex which will mean that there should be no collisions.

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David
 
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Marco Benton
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      10-17-2004, 03:53 PM
David M wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:22:30 -0400, "Soyrunner" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>
>>My network is 4 systems to a hub. 1 of those 4 is my gateway to a
>>cable-modem. The ISP looks for the gateway's MAC address. I'm using MASQ
>>for access to the web and Apache allows access to the gateway web page. I
>>also use port forwarding to one of the local machines for a personal BBS
>>(PHPBB). I have a single IP.
>>
>>Net activity on the machines is mostly internet radio streaming on one to
>>sound-recorder & lame on another of news and programming to mp3 for the
>>hours I'm out running.
>>
>>I wonder about packet collisions at the hub slowing the network down and am
>>considering one of the cheap D-Link routers I see on ebay (cost is a very
>>real issue). If I access many web pages while recording is going on I seem
>>to miss packets.
>>
>>Would a change to a cheap router be a significant improvement over a hub
>>for my purposes? Thanks for any useful advice here.
>>
>>Bill
>>

>
>
> Hi,
>
> What you require is a switch which just drops in place of the hub.
>
> A switch partitions the dataflows between workstations so that only the
> workstations communicating directly with each other see the data that they
> are exchanging. Multiple dataflows can take place on a single switch at the
> same time without interference such as collisions.
>
> Unless you intend to replace the gateway machine with a router, then a
> router will not be of much use. In this case pick a router with at least a
> four port switch on the LAN side.
>
> Switches in general are usually much faster than routers since they work on
> MAC addresses, not IP addresses.


hmm.. don't switches route the appropriate packet to the switch port?
while switches dont route on IP addresses they still have to build a
table of MAC addresses to switchports. latency will appear if oodles of
busy machines are on the switch and depending on type of switching;
store and forward, cut-through, etc... it's true that the collision
light on the repeater/hub will produce sun-burn from the LED if oodles
of busy machines are speaking all at the same time. in theory there
would be very little collisions on a one-way transmission to one other
host on that same hub, but i don't want start that argument as that can
start a flame war pretty quickly ;-).

then again for light to somewhat busy home usage would moot my point as
transfer rates would be painfully fast and unnoticeable latency.

>
> You should look to see that any switch you may buy supports at least 10/100
> full duplex which will mean that there should be no collisions.
>


agreed. if the user wants to better his LAN performance then a full
duplex scheme would rule. getting a 100meg switch that does not support
full duplex would be kind of defeating the purpose. if price is an
issue, i havent seen a cheapo 100 meg switch that included full duplex
that's in the price range of a combo router/hub from Linksys, NetGear,
etc... or maybe i've been brainwashed by Cisco prices too long :-).
 
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