Howto connect ISP non-ppp ?

Hello World,

I want to read my email with a non-ppp-cabable [ x286 ] device.
The trace below shows what minicom sees when I dial in:---

CONNECT 28800/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS
Checking authorization, Please wait...
username:2nm4nx6x@za
password: <-- doesn't echo == OK

cas4-rba>ls <--- input tried= ls
^
% Invalid input detected at '^' marker.

cas4-rba> <--- this is it's "echo/prompt"
======================

So now I need to findout what are valid inputs.
How do I start talking to the ISP ?
What is the valid syntax ?

Thanks for any info.

== Chis Glur.

(E-Mail Removed) writes:

>Hello World,

>I want to read my email with a non-ppp-cabable [ x286 ] device.
>The trace below shows what minicom sees when I dial in:---

>CONNECT 28800/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS
>Checking authorization, Please wait...
>username:2nm4nx6x@za
>password: <-- doesn't echo == OK

>cas4-rba>ls <--- input tried= ls
> ^
>% Invalid input detected at '^' marker.

It might not be a unix/linux system. It might be dos/windows/vax/...
Why do you think ls is a valid command?


>cas4-rba> <--- this is it's "echo/prompt"
>======================

>So now I need to findout what are valid inputs.
>How do I start talking to the ISP ?

Telephone?

>What is the valid syntax ?
For what?

(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> Hello World,

> I want to read my email with a non-ppp-cabable [ x286 ] device.
> The trace below shows what minicom sees when I dial in:---

> CONNECT 28800/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS
> Checking authorization, Please wait...
> username:2nm4nx6x@za
> password: <-- doesn't echo == OK

The ISP may be waiting for a menu command. Try "ppp", "?", "menu", and
"terminal" and see what you get from the ISP. Even if none of them work
you may get some insight into what the prompt expects.

I once had an ISP that did allow a regular login/password to a shell.
It also was possible to start PPP immediately without a login and use
PAP or CHAP authentication. But the ability for a login/password to a
shell as a normal user is, for the most part, long gone.

> cas4-rba>ls <--- input tried= ls
> ^
> % Invalid input detected at '^' marker.

> cas4-rba> <--- this is it's "echo/prompt"
> ======================

> So now I need to findout what are valid inputs.
> How do I start talking to the ISP ?
> What is the valid syntax ?

Telephone the ISP and ask whether a normal user login is allowed.

--
Clifford Kite Email: "echo xvgr_yvahk-(E-Mail Removed)|rot13"

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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:39:02 -0500, (E-Mail Removed)
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Hello World,
>
> I want to read my email with a non-ppp-cabable [ x286 ] device.
> The trace below shows what minicom sees when I dial in:---
>
What is this x286 device? If it's a PC, you might try Net-tamer
(www.nettamer.net). You might need an old version to run on a 286.

> CONNECT 28800/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS
> Checking authorization, Please wait...
> username:2nm4nx6x@za
> password: <-- doesn't echo == OK
>
> cas4-rba>ls <--- input tried= ls
> ^
Try "help"?
"open 1.2.3.4" (maybe it's a telnet server?)

> % Invalid input detected at '^' marker.
>
> cas4-rba> <--- this is it's "echo/prompt"
>======================
>
> So now I need to findout what are valid inputs.
> How do I start talking to the ISP ?

Telephone their tech support, but you might have a hard time finding
someone who knows what you're talking about.


--
BOFH excuse #426:

internet is needed to catch the etherbunny

On 2005-08-17, (E-Mail Removed) <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Hello World,
>
Hi,

> I want to read my email with a non-ppp-cabable [ x286 ] device.
>
not going to happen. You ISP will use PPP to encapsulate the data. If you
'cannot' use PPP I am guessing you also cannot speak 'IP' which is what the
Internet speaks. You cannot, correct me if I wrong about what you are trying
to do, simply fire up your favourite serial console software and connect
directly to your mailserver(s). You know you will have to speak
POP3/IMAP/SMTP too by hand?

> The trace below shows what minicom sees when I dial in:---
>
> CONNECT 28800/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS
> Checking authorization, Please wait...
> username:2nm4nx6x@za
> password: <-- doesn't echo == OK
>
Not surprising, by that point the modem is no longer in the loop and its no
longer responding directly to you. There is nothing but you at your keyboard
and your ISP's login script.

> cas4-rba>ls <--- input tried= ls
> ^
> % Invalid input detected at '^' marker.
>
> cas4-rba> <--- this is it's "echo/prompt"
>======================
>
tastes like a chatscript, and its not going to let you type UNIX shell
commands into it.

> So now I need to findout what are valid inputs.
> How do I start talking to the ISP ?
> What is the valid syntax ?
>
RFC's[1] are your only hope if you are determined to do it this way, I bet
you quickly decide "erm....maybe not" :P Just strap pppd to the serial
console and forget about it. Whats wrong with using a computer fully blown
to just check your mail I do not know. "Oh its too slow", you need a better
email client....look for 'pine' and/or 'mutt'.

Cheers

Alex

[1] http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/

> Thanks for any info.
>
>== Chis Glur.
>
>
>

(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> Hello World,
>
> I want to read my email with a non-ppp-cabable [ x286 ] device.
> The trace below shows what minicom sees when I dial in:---
>
> CONNECT 28800/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS
> Checking authorization, Please wait...
> username:2nm4nx6x@za
> password: <-- doesn't echo == OK
>
> cas4-rba>ls <--- input tried= ls
> ^
> % Invalid input detected at '^' marker.
>
> cas4-rba> <--- this is it's "echo/prompt"
> ======================
>
> So now I need to findout what are valid inputs.
> How do I start talking to the ISP ?
> What is the valid syntax ?
>

If you're running a DOS-vintage Windows (3.1)
on the '286, the way to go for TCP/IP is called
Trumpet Winsock. Google for it.

--

Tauno Voipio
tauno voipio (at) iki fi

Tauno Voipio wrote:

> If you're running a DOS-vintage Windows (3.1)
> on the '286, the way to go for TCP/IP is called
> Trumpet Winsock. Google for it.

Did W3.1 run on a 286? I thought a 386 was the minimum.

On 2005-08-18, James Knott <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Did W3.1 run on a 286? I thought a 386 was the minimum.

IIRC W3.1 was a 16bit Application with MSDOS as the underlying
Opterating System. As the 80386 marks the introduction of 32bit
processor technology to the personal computing world i would
say W3.1 had to work with 80286 cpus as well.
It was around the time of Windows NT5 that DOS learned a 32bit mode,
right?

Zap

In the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.networking, in article
<zPSdnZ2dnZ2UKQ37nZ2dnY3qmd6dnZ2dRVn-(E-Mail Removed)>, James Knott wrote:

>Tauno Voipio wrote:
>
>> If you're running a DOS-vintage Windows (3.1)
>> on the '286, the way to go for TCP/IP is called
>> Trumpet Winsock. Google for it.

Geez, is that still around?

>Did W3.1 run on a 286?

Yup - Ran over the top of MS-DOS 3.1 or later. Only needed 640k too,
which was good because DOS didn't support memory over 0xFFFFF directly.
You needed an Extended Memory Manager thingy - like QMM-86 from
QuarterDeck, though later releases of windoze 3.1 (3.1a ?) included
one.

>I thought a 386 was the minimum.

No, the 386 wasn't needed until windoze started adding 32 bit aps in
win95. I vaguely remember a 32 bit add-on in win3.1, but I think the
only application was a 32 bit version of some 16bit game. It was
something other than minesweeper or solitaire - so that you could
impress your friends by running an ap they couldn't with their lowly
286s. I don't think anyone actually built a real 32 bit 'do-something-
useful' application for win3.1.

Old guy

James Knott wrote:
> Tauno Voipio wrote:
>
>
>>If you're running a DOS-vintage Windows (3.1)
>>on the '286, the way to go for TCP/IP is called
>>Trumpet Winsock. Google for it.
>
>
> Did W3.1 run on a 286? I thought a 386 was the minimum.
>
>

Mea culpa - sorry.

The vintage Windows in real mode was 3.0. IIRC, 3.1 dropped
real mode totally, and this lead the application programmers
skipping the proper handling of allocated memory handles
(the handle should be returned to the system before returning
from the message handler, and re-acquired at next message).

--

Tauno Voipio
tauno voipio (at) iki fi