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Clifford Kite wrote:
> John Gabriele <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote: > > >>I've run netconfig and told it I just want to setup a loopback connection >>(for "modem or no net"). > > > You need networking enabled to create a PPP functional (networking) > interface. > > <snip> > >>Running 'ifconfig -a' lists eth0, lo, and ppp0. In the ppp0 section, >>there's no "inet" or "UP" lines present like there are in the lo section. > > > No "UP, RUNNING" for the PPP interface means PPP no workie. > Thanks for the reply Cliff. I'm not sure what you mean by "I need networking enabled", since I've got some /etc/rc.d/rc.inet* scripts that *are* getting run. I'm also getting some help on this where I originally posted it in alt.os.linux.slackware (subject: slack, help with simple ppp dialup). *** I probably should've given the post there a few days fermentation time before posting here and having duplication.  ***Please direct any further interest to that thread. Thank you. (I don't yet have a solution, but am getting there.) |
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John Gabriele <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Clifford Kite wrote: >> You need networking enabled to create a PPP functional (networking) >> interface. >> >> <snip> >> >>>Running 'ifconfig -a' lists eth0, lo, and ppp0. In the ppp0 section, >>>there's no "inet" or "UP" lines present like there are in the lo section. >> >> >> No "UP, RUNNING" for the PPP interface means PPP no workie. > Thanks for the reply Cliff. I'm not sure what you mean by "I need > networking enabled", since I've got some /etc/rc.d/rc.inet* scripts > that *are* getting run. You said: I've run netconfig and told it I just want to setup a loopback connection (for "modem or no net"). To me that 'no net' meant 'no networking,' but looking at the netconfig scripts convinces me that it means no network card. I run Slackware, but it started life as 7.1 and has been upgraded whenever necessary. It's been something like four years since the install and it's doubtful that I've ever run netconfig, unless it was a part of the initial setup. Add the pppd option debug and the chat -v option. Run pppd and look in /var/log/debug and /var/log/messages for clues. Post exact copies (cut-and-paste) of the chat and pppd generated messages in those logs should you need more help. > I'm also getting some help on this where I originally posted it in > alt.os.linux.slackware (subject: slack, help with simple ppp dialup). > *** I probably should've given the post there a few days fermentation > time before posting here and having duplication. ***> Please direct any further interest to that thread. Thank you. (I don't > yet have a solution, but am getting there.) I've added the alt group to the follow-up part of the header, but any request for help from me should include this group, since the alt group is not one that I monitor. FWIW, I specialize in helping people with PPP problems. -- Clifford Kite Email: "echo xvgr_yvahk-(E-Mail Removed)|rot13" PPP-Q&A links, downloads: http://ckite.no-ip.net/ /* Speak softly and carry a sucker rod (See man syslogd, footnote to recommendation 4 under SECURITY THREATS). */ |
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Clifford Kite wrote:
> John Gabriele <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote: > >>Clifford Kite wrote: >> >>>You need networking enabled to create a PPP functional (networking) >>>interface. >>> >>><snip> >>> >>>>Running 'ifconfig -a' lists eth0, lo, and ppp0. In the ppp0 section, >>>>there's no "inet" or "UP" lines present like there are in the lo section. >>> >>> >>>No "UP, RUNNING" for the PPP interface means PPP no workie. > > >>Thanks for the reply Cliff. I'm not sure what you mean by "I need >>networking enabled", since I've got some /etc/rc.d/rc.inet* scripts >>that *are* getting run. > > > You said: > > I've run netconfig and told it I just want to setup a loopback connection > (for "modem or no net"). > > To me that 'no net' meant 'no networking,' but looking at the netconfig > scripts convinces me that it means no network card. After I run netconfig to configure my NIC (as if I was using it with a static IP on a LAN even though nothing is plugged into it), the only changes I see are in: 1. /etc/hosts -- 127.0.0.1 me.example.net me ==> 192.168.0.0 me.example.net me 2. /etc/networks -- localnet 127.0.0.1 ==> localnet 192.168.0.0 3. /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf -- IPADDR[0] and NETMASK[0] now have values in them you'd expect (they were empty strings before). 4. /etc/resolv.conf -- search my_isp.net ==> search example.net (which I see can't work (since I'm not running my own DNS server or even a LAN). No changes to /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 or rc.inet2 -- which is where I'd expect to see a change if some part of the networking system was enabled. > I run Slackware, > but it started life as 7.1 and has been upgraded whenever necessary. The ppp package I've got installed is ppp-2.4.1-i486-1. Looks there's a more current version available, but I don't have an easy way to get it on that machine (I'm typing this from my old PowerBook running OS X). No CD burner on this thing, and it won't read my ext2-formatted USB flash drive. Pfft! > It's been something like four years since the install and it's doubtful > that I've ever run netconfig, unless it was a part of the initial setup. > > Add the pppd option debug Yup. I've already uncommented that option in /etc/options. > and the chat -v option. That's already being specified in /usr/sbin/ppp-go. > Run pppd and look > in /var/log/debug I there, I see some messages from pppd saying things like: using channel 1 using channel 2 using channel 3 using channel 4 along with what seems like many ("message repeated 9 times"...) messages like: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xd18d00f6> <pcomp> <accomp>] but those hex numbers after "magic" change. > and /var/log/messages for clues. Post exact copies > (cut-and-paste) of the chat and pppd generated messages in those logs > should you need more help. Well, since that machine can't connect to the net, and as I said, I can't get OS X to read ext2, I'm stuck hand-typing for now. But I'll type stuff in as best I can. > >>I'm also getting some help on this where I originally posted it in >>alt.os.linux.slackware (subject: slack, help with simple ppp dialup). >>*** I probably should've given the post there a few days fermentation >>time before posting here and having duplication. ***> > >>Please direct any further interest to that thread. Thank you. (I don't >>yet have a solution, but am getting there.) > > > I've added the alt group to the follow-up part of the header, but > any request for help from me should include this group, since the > alt group is not one that I monitor. I don't know what the follow-up header means, but I'm sending this to both alt.os.linux.slackware and comp.os.linux.networking. Hitting the "reply-all" button puts your email address in the "to" field, so I just hit "reply", it came up addressed to a.o.l.s, and I added the c.o.l.n address by-hand. > FWIW, I specialize in helping > people with PPP problems. Thank you very much. I'm glad I bumped into you. ---J --- if contacting via email, remove zees --- |
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John Gabriele <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Clifford Kite wrote: > After I run netconfig to configure my NIC (as if I was using it with a > static IP on a LAN even though nothing is plugged into it), the only > changes I see are in: > 1. /etc/hosts -- 127.0.0.1 me.example.net me ==> > 192.168.0.0 me.example.net me I'll take that to mean that these lines appear in /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1 me.example.net me 192.168.0.0 me.example.net me I don't think the first one is a good idea, but there will be some that agree with me and some that won't. I'd replace the first line with these two: 127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.0.2 me.example.net me > 2. /etc/networks -- localnet 127.0.0.1 ==> localnet 192.168.0.0 I'd prefer to replace the first with loopback 127.0.0.0 But it's rather doubtful that the above configurations are related to your problem. > 3. /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf -- IPADDR[0] and NETMASK[0] now have values > in them you'd expect (they were empty strings before). Okay. > 4. /etc/resolv.conf -- search my_isp.net ==> search example.net (which > I see can't work (since I'm not running my own DNS server or even a > LAN). The domain names are just examples and should be replaced by whatever the actual domains are. Just as "me.example.net me" is an example for the hosts file. You should to put your ISP domain name as a search argument in place of my_isp.net and the ISP DNS nameserver IP addresses need to be in resolv.conf. I'd recommend you buy the "Running Linux" book published by Dover - it should be worthwhile since you run Slackware. My /etc/resolv.conf contains: search ev1 options attempts:5 rotate nameserver 216.88.76.6 nameserver 216.88.77.7 I'd suggest you read "man 5 resolver" for explanations of the options. >> Run pppd and look >> in /var/log/debug > I there, I see some messages from pppd saying things like: > using channel 1 > using channel 2 > using channel 3 > using channel 4 Hmm. This is new to me, although the channel numbers likely refer to /dev/pts/{1,2,3,4} which are PPP device files. Do you have /dev/pts and /dev/ppp? The first is a device directory, not a file. You should see /dev/pts/{0,1,2,3,4} when connected. > along with what seems like many ("message repeated 9 times"...) messages > like: > sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xd18d00f6> <pcomp> <accomp>] > but those hex numbers after "magic" change. This is not new. Pppd quit after 10 attempts to start PPP negotiations with the peer, which apparently isn't responding in any way. >> and /var/log/messages for clues. Post exact copies >> (cut-and-paste) of the chat and pppd generated messages in those logs >> should you need more help. > Well, since that machine can't connect to the net, and as I said, I can't > get OS X to read ext2, I'm stuck hand-typing for now. But I'll type stuff > in as best I can. I don't know what "OS X" is. Is there no way to transfer files from the problem host to the one with "OS X" except though an Internet connection? For example, with a floppy disk with an MS filesystem that both can read. If there's no way then please include the timestamps, which sometimes can provide a clue. That's it for this time around. -- Clifford Kite Email: "echo xvgr_yvahk-(E-Mail Removed)|rot13" PPP-Q&A links, downloads: http://ckite.no-ip.net/ /* 97.3% of all statistics |
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Clifford Kite <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
]John Gabriele <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote: ]> Clifford Kite wrote: ]> After I run netconfig to configure my NIC (as if I was using it with a ]> static IP on a LAN even though nothing is plugged into it), the only ]> changes I see are in: ]> 1. /etc/hosts -- 127.0.0.1 me.example.net me ==> ]> 192.168.0.0 me.example.net me ]I'll take that to mean that these lines appear in /etc/hosts: ]127.0.0.1 me.example.net me ]192.168.0.0 me.example.net me ]I don't think the first one is a good idea, but there will be some that ]agree with me and some that won't. I'd replace the first line with ]these two: ]127.0.0.1 localhost ]127.0.0.2 me.example.net me I agree with Kite. The first address obtained will be the address used to get name to ip mapping. Thus me.example.net will always resolve to 127.0.0.1. ]> 4. /etc/resolv.conf -- search my_isp.net ==> search example.net (which ]> I see can't work (since I'm not running my own DNS server or even a ]> LAN). The search option is more or less useless. you do not need it. What you need is the nameserver lines to point to proper DNS IP resolvers, and MUST be IP addresses not names. ]>> and /var/log/messages for clues. Post exact copies ]>> (cut-and-paste) of the chat and pppd generated messages in those logs ]>> should you need more help. ]> Well, since that machine can't connect to the net, and as I said, I can't ]> get OS X to read ext2, I'm stuck hand-typing for now. But I'll type stuff ]> in as best I can. ]I don't know what "OS X" is. Macintosh operating system I assume. Put it onto a floppy. You could also try reading www.theory.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html which may give you hints as to how to hook up your ppp, and to debug the connection. It sounds to me like your pppd never dialing out and making the connection, or your ISP expects something you are not sending. YOur log with time stamps are crucial to figure this out. |
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Clifford Kite wrote:
> John Gabriele <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote: Thanks for the continued replies Cliff. To make this less confusing, I'll refer to my actual computer, domain, and isp names (instead of the made-up "me" and the default (which is now changed) "example.net"). I just edited /etc/HOSTNAME and /etc/hosts: My computer is now avocado.pinecountry.net. I ran Slack's netconfig again (using this new name when prompted) and then ran pppd's "pppsetup" utility again. While running netconfig, it asked what my gateway was, and said it was ok to leave it blank -- so I did. To briefly recap, before running ppp-go, "ifconfig -a" shows eth0 and lo only (both show up as being "UP"). "route -n" tells me Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo *After* running ppp-go (during which I can hear and see (modem lights) the modem dialing up and negotiating), route -n tells me the same thing as it just did. "ifconfig -a" though shows ppp0 now listed after eth0 and lo but with no "UP" line (the eth0 and lo entries are the same as before). Ok, continuing... > > > Clifford Kite wrote: > > > > After I run netconfig to configure my NIC (as if I was using it with a > > static IP on a LAN even though nothing is plugged into it), the only > > changes I see are in: > > > > 1. /etc/hosts -- 127.0.0.1 me.example.net me ==> > > 192.168.0.0 me.example.net me > > > I'll take that to mean that these lines appear in /etc/hosts: > > 127.0.0.1 me.example.net me > 192.168.0.0 me.example.net me ^^^ Nope. The lines I have in /etc/hosts are: 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.0.1 avocado.pinecountry.net avocado ^^^ > > I don't think the first one is a good idea, but there will be some that > agree with me and some that won't. I'd replace the first line with > these two: > > 127.0.0.1 localhost > 127.0.0.2 me.example.net me > Ok, thanks. I've added that extra line, so now I've got three linesin there: 127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.0.2 avocado.pinecountry.net avocado 192.168.0.1 avocado.pinecountry.net avocado > >>2. /etc/networks -- localnet 127.0.0.1 ==> localnet 192.168.0.0 > > > I'd prefer to replace the first with > > loopback 127.0.0.0 Check. Re-runnig the config programs has left me with 2 lines in that file: loopback 127.0.0.0 localnet 192.168.0.0 > > But it's rather doubtful that the above configurations are related to > your problem. > > >>3. /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf -- IPADDR[0] and NETMASK[0] now have values >> in them you'd expect (they were empty strings before). > > > Okay. > > >>4. /etc/resolv.conf -- search my_isp.net ==> search example.net (which >> I see can't work (since I'm not running my own DNS server or even a >> LAN). > > > The domain names are just examples and should be replaced by whatever > the actual domains are. Just as "me.example.net me" is an example for > the hosts file. You should to put your ISP domain name as a search > argument in place of my_isp.net and the ISP DNS nameserver IP addresses > need to be in resolv.conf. Sorry for the confusion. Since the above-mentioned renaming, my resolv.conf file now has in it: search bestweb.net nameserver 209.94.100.100 since bestweb is my ISP. > I'd recommend you buy the "Running Linux" > book published by Dover - it should be worthwhile since you run Slackware. I'll have to have a look through the couch cushions and see if I can come up with the dough. I didn't realizethat the book had substantial Slackware-related info. I figure you mean this one (4th edition) http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/bibli...7-0596002726-0 by Welsh, Kaufman, and Dalheimer -- though it's published by O'Reilly rather than Dover. > > My /etc/resolv.conf contains: > > search ev1 > options attempts:5 rotate > nameserver 216.88.76.6 > nameserver 216.88.77.7 Hmm... Ok, I added a 2nd nameserver line (since my isp provides 2, and the resolver man page you point out says I can have 3). > > I'd suggest you read "man 5 resolver" for explanations of the options. Thanks for the pointer. I don't see any mention of the "attempts" variable for the "options" config option. Only "debug" or "ndots:n". > > >>> Run pppd and look >>>in /var/log/debug > > >>I there, I see some messages from pppd saying things like: >>using channel 1 >>using channel 2 >>using channel 3 >>using channel 4 > > > Hmm. This is new to me, although the channel numbers likely refer to > /dev/pts/{1,2,3,4} which are PPP device files. > > Do you have /dev/pts and /dev/ppp? The first is a device directory, > not a file. You should see /dev/pts/{0,1,2,3,4} when connected. > When not connected I have /dev/pts/{0,1,2}. Same when I'm connected. These are, of course, just the three terminal windows I happen to have open right now. /dev/ppp is always crw-rw---- 1 root uucp 108, 0 Mar 25 2001 /dev/ppp > >>along with what seems like many ("message repeated 9 times"...) messages >>like: > > >>sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xd18d00f6> <pcomp> <accomp>] > > >>but those hex numbers after "magic" change. > > > This is not new. Pppd quit after 10 attempts to start PPP negotiations > with the peer, which apparently isn't responding in any way. > > >>>and /var/log/messages for clues. Post exact copies >>>(cut-and-paste) of the chat and pppd generated messages in those logs >>>should you need more help. "chat" just gives me the usual in /var/log/messages: .... [snip] OK -- got it send (atdt6632120^M) timeout set to 75 seconds expect (CONNECT) ^M atdt6632120^M^M CONNECT -- got it ------------- then pppd goes on to tell me: Serial connection established. Using interface ppp0 Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem with nothing about IP addresses (like mine and the ISP's gateway) getting set. How can I ask the system to tell me how authentication is going? I'd love to see something like "authentication failed/succeeded". >>Well, since that machine can't connect to the net, and as I said, I can't >>get OS X to read ext2, I'm stuck hand-typing for now. But I'll type stuff >>in as best I can. > > > I don't know what "OS X" is. Sorry. Macintosh OS X. The only other computer I have is a PowerBook G3 running Apple's OS X operating system. > Is there no way to transfer files from the problem host to the one with > "OS X" except though an Internet connection? For example, with a floppy > disk with an MS filesystem that both can read. The PowerBook has no floppy drive, and I have no external floppy drive. I've got a USB flash drive, but when I use OS X to format it (UFS or some Windows/DOS format), I can't read the thing in Linux -- and when I format it in Linux (ext2), I can't read the thing in OS X. I've got a CD burner in the x86 box, but since I've only recently installed Slack, I haven't yet even attempted to burn anything with it yet. Also, I've got a hub and some cables, but I haven't yet looked into what's necessary to make these 2 computers talk to each other. > If there's no way then please include the timestamps, which sometimes > can provide a clue. Ok, I'll attempt to copy/past some log file data to this thread. Which log files, specifically? /var/log/messages and /var/log/debug? > That's it for this time around. Thanks for the help. |
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