hope in right group.....

dad found a good computer in w/end garage sale,, has it set up next to his usual one, and wants
it to have internet access.
made enquiries, and you cant just buy a splitter or whatever for the cable that comes out of his
broadband modem to plug into the latest one.

the two computers are less than a metre apart,,,,,,,,,, both are running xp,,,,, exactly what
is it that he needs to do to have the second computer to access the intenet using his existing
modem?
i have heard of a single cable connecting the two computers,, but apart from that, i have no idea
where to go or what to do.

tia for help.

> enquiries, and you cant just buy a splitter or whatever for the cable
> thatcomes out of his broadband modem to plug into the latest one.

> the two computers are less than a metre apart,,,,,,,,,, both are
> running xp,,,,, exactly what

if both are running winXP, why asking in a win98 group? ;-)
but ok it doesn't mather what os he runs.. same same...

> is it that he needs to do to have the second computer to access the
> intenet using his existing modem?

> i have heard of a single cable connecting the two computers,, but apart
> from that, i have no idea where to go or what to do.

yes a single cable can be used by two computers
if there is a splitter in *both ends* of the cable.

>---<

but you must still plug in both computers into something
with two ports, either a Switch (if your ISP gives you
multiple IP-numbers, or your modem have a builtin Router)
or otherwise a Router instead:
________
[Computer1]----| Router |
[Computer2]----|________|--------[Modem]-------phonejack


If your modem doesn't have a built-in router (you should be
able to access the router-settings from the modems builtin
webpage), I would recomend you to buy a router even if
you had only one computer since it works as a firewall
and protects your computer.


if you don't want to have the router where your computer are
and instead have it in the other end of the house with the modem
but still only have one cable going through the house, you could
use two splitters like this:
________
[Computer1]--- ----| Router |
>----------------------< |
|----[Modem]----phonejack
[Computer2]--- ----|________|
here here



..
..
..

now to make this post belong to this newsgroup:
Are you sure you don't want to install windows98se on one of
the computers? it is so much nicer, faster and cleaner and... :-)

thanks for the reply teebo,,

i was thinking of something a little simpler if possible,, let me explain.

my dad knew a couple (husband and wife) who had their two computers rigged up via one cable,, one
computer was a win98 the other xp. the win98 computer was configured to be the host and the
other just needed the win98 one to be on the internet in order for it too to access the net. (hope
that made sense)
they were using dial-up, if that makes a difference.

what dad is hoping, is that we can buy a short length of this cable with the correct plugs attached,
then plug it into both computers, then somehow configure them so they can both use the internet at
the same time,,,,, just like the hubby and wife people did.
(we dont know where they are because they moved, esle we would ask them to help too.)

tia

ps,,, in regard to win98se,, i am running that right now on this computer, and i couldnt agree
more,,,,, is much better than other o/s's.



"teebo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message newsp.ulng0ximbr8ivg@300pl...
> > enquiries, and you cant just buy a splitter or whatever for the cable
> > thatcomes out of his broadband modem to plug into the latest one.
>
> > the two computers are less than a metre apart,,,,,,,,,, both are
> > running xp,,,,, exactly what
>
> if both are running winXP, why asking in a win98 group? ;-)
> but ok it doesn't mather what os he runs.. same same...
>
> > is it that he needs to do to have the second computer to access the
> > intenet using his existing modem?
>
> > i have heard of a single cable connecting the two computers,, but apart
> > from that, i have no idea where to go or what to do.
>
> yes a single cable can be used by two computers
> if there is a splitter in *both ends* of the cable.
>
> >---<
>
> but you must still plug in both computers into something
> with two ports, either a Switch (if your ISP gives you
> multiple IP-numbers, or your modem have a builtin Router)
> or otherwise a Router instead:
> ________
> [Computer1]----| Router |
> [Computer2]----|________|--------[Modem]-------phonejack
>
>
> If your modem doesn't have a built-in router (you should be
> able to access the router-settings from the modems builtin
> webpage), I would recomend you to buy a router even if
> you had only one computer since it works as a firewall
> and protects your computer.
>
>
> if you don't want to have the router where your computer are
> and instead have it in the other end of the house with the modem
> but still only have one cable going through the house, you could
> use two splitters like this:
> ________
> [Computer1]--- ----| Router |
> >----------------------< |
> |----[Modem]----phonejack
> [Computer2]--- ----|________|
> here here
>
>
>
> .
> .
> .
>
> now to make this post belong to this newsgroup:
> Are you sure you don't want to install windows98se on one of
> the computers? it is so much nicer, faster and cleaner and... :-)

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:51:22 +1030, "k-bored" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>dad found a good computer in w/end garage sale,, has it set up next to his usual one, and wants
>it to have internet access.
>made enquiries, and you cant just buy a splitter or whatever for the cable that comes out of his
>broadband modem to plug into the latest one.
>
>the two computers are less than a metre apart,,,,,,,,,, both are running xp,,,,, exactly what
>is it that he needs to do to have the second computer to access the intenet using his existing
>modem?
>i have heard of a single cable connecting the two computers,, but apart from that, i have no idea
>where to go or what to do.
>
>tia for help.

What type of "broadband modem" is it and how does it currently connect
to PC1? A decent explanation of this might provide for a better
solution than that stated below.

Yes, a single cable can connect the two computers together assuming
that each has an available ethernet port (RJ45). PC1 might already
have its ethernet port used up to connect to the "broadband modem".
You didn't say.

Some network adaptors can autosense the send/receive channels on the
cable so you might get away with a straightforward ethernet cable. If
that doesn't work you need a "crossover" cable to establish a
connection.

Having done that, enable ics (internet connection sharing) on PC1 and
away you go.

Forget splitters. That's nonsense.


Jim.

thank you jim,,,,,
have answered like you did.

"> What type of "broadband modem" is it and how does it currently connect
> to PC1? A decent explanation of this might provide for a better
> solution than that stated below.

um, um, um.... can i get back to you on that tomorrow after i go to dads? right now, its
simply a cable from the modem to the back of the comuputer,,, like dad said, "i put it where it
seemed like it fit".
as for the 'type' of modem, what would you like me to look for? all i know is that its screwed
to the wall,, and who his isp is.


>
> Yes, a single cable can connect the two computers together assuming
> that each has an available ethernet port (RJ45). PC1 might already
> have its ethernet port used up to connect to the "broadband modem".
> You didn't say.

will get the above details asap..... hopefully tomorrow. (hopefully, what i see will be
obvious.. sounds like i am looking for a plug hole that looks similar to the one the modem is
going into.... but i'll look at everything i can.)


>
> Some network adaptors can autosense the send/receive channels on the
> cable so you might get away with a straightforward ethernet cable. If
> that doesn't work you need a "crossover" cable to establish a
> connection.
>
> Having done that, enable ics (internet connection sharing) on PC1 and
> away you go.

yes,,, thats what we want,,, for someone just to say "press this button,, and away you go".

>
> Forget splitters. That's nonsense.
>
>
> Jim.

tia......

On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:17:06 +1030, "k-bored" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>as for the 'type' of modem, what would you like me to look for? all i know is that its screwed
>to the wall,, and who his isp is.

Make and model plus details of how it connects to PC1. USB? Ethernet?

If it's a router modem combo with spare LAN ports, it may be that you
can simply plug pc2 into it the same way as pc1. It will be a better
situation if PC2's Internet doesn't depend on PC1.


Jim.

now it is tomorrow, hehe :-)

> i was thinking of something a little simpler if possible,,

oh... well forget about what I talked about earlier (using 1 cable
to connect 2 computers to a switch/router, instead of 2 cables),
Follow James Egans recommendations instead.

[my post here now is just if you need some extra explanations]

> who had their two computers rigged up via one cable, one
> computer was a win98 the other xp. the win98 computer was configured to
> be the host and the other just needed the win98 oneto be on the internet
> in order for it too to access the net.

yeah you can easily connect two computers to each other with a
network cable between them (normally the "crossover" kind but some
can use a normal one), and the one that have internet can let
the other one reach internet through it...

> they were using dial-up, if that makes a difference.

....yes, because the old dial-up modems was normally connected to
a computer with a "serial cable", but the new broadband modems
are normally connected to a computer with a network cable instead,
and most computers only have 1 network jack. But if you are using
a network cable between your two computer - then you are allready
using the computers network jack for this....
There is no jack left on the computer to put the network cable
that comes from the broadband modem!

Now (to make things a little more complicated) there are broadband
modems that is connected to the computer with an USB-cable instead,
I haven't seen any, but there are some made that way - that's why
you must go check your dads broadbandmodems brand and modelnumber.
(so we know if it is an usb-broadbandmodem or a normal one)

[If it is the normal kind, there is the possibility of you buying an
extra network card and mount it inside one of your computers to give
it a second network jack - but if you never have opened your computer
then I wouldn't recommend that solution... buy a cheap router instead
even though it will costs three times as much as a network card (like
36$ instead of 12$) with the bonus that you can connect more computers
to it later if you like, and its firewall security]

> what dad is hoping, is that we can buy a short length of this cable with
> the correct plugs attached, then plug it into both computers, then
> somehowconfigure them so they can both use the internet at the same time

the easy thing you must do first is to look at the back of the computer
if there is a free network jack, that isn't allready used up
by the cable that goes to the broadband modem :-)



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If the computer now (when it is connected to internet so webbrowser
works etc) have an empty network jack, and you want to use internet
sharing: then go buy the network cable (crossover type).

(I would still prefer a router.. but that's me!)

Microsoft's small guide to enable Internet Sharing for win98se is:
* Click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel,
and then double-click Add/Remove Programs.
* On the Windows Setup tab, double-click Internet Tools.
* Click to select the Internet Connection Sharing check box, then click OK
* Click OK, and then follow the instructions on the screen to run the
Internet Connection Sharing wizard.



Now I allmost forgot: check if his broadband modem has any free
empty network jacks too.... if so it might have a router&switch
built in and you could just have a network cable from his second
computer go to that hole :-)

hi guys,,,

apologies; timing was out for me and dad, couldnt get details needed. have now got definate
appointed time with him tomorrow, 2.30pm, where we are.

will post them tomorrow,, at about 'now' time.

i have a good feeling that this is going to be something reasonably easy to do,, and i am glad to
be part of the learning curve on this one.

just anothing thing while i''m at k-bored.... if it is something simple as a cable and perhaps a
small bit of configuring,, will our local computer shop man make us up the cable you guys said?
at this point, i believe dad is going to keep the other computer only about a metre away,, and
someone said to him that its a good idea only to have enough cable to do the job,, no more.

thank you both for helping,, shouldnt be more than 24hrs with the details.

"k-bored" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
| hi guys,,,
|
| apologies; timing was out for me and dad, couldnt get details needed.
have now got definate
| appointed time with him tomorrow, 2.30pm, where we are.
|
| will post them tomorrow,, at about 'now' time.
|
| i have a good feeling that this is going to be something reasonably easy
to do,, and i am glad to
| be part of the learning curve on this one.
|
| just anothing thing while i''m at k-bored.... if it is something simple
as a cable and perhaps a
| small bit of configuring,, will our local computer shop man make us up the
cable you guys said?
| at this point, i believe dad is going to keep the other computer only
about a metre away,, and
| someone said to him that its a good idea only to have enough cable to do
the job,, no more.

Not to take away from the good suggestions already received; but so you
have a better idea of WHAT is entailed, and give an idea of HOW to address
potential issues during the process of setting up your network.

Don' miss the advise that you may need 2 [two] network connections on the
master computer [which means 2 adapters if not using a router or if the
modem has only one connection] OR that the modem must have two, at least if
using a network [RJ45, looks like a telephone jack but has 8 wires and
connections used] style of connection. The modem or present connection from
the modem MAY be USB [looks like a flat connector surrounded by a housing].
BTW: if the modem IS [as you state] screwed into the wall, its a cable modem
OR potentially a SAT [satellite access terminal] modem.

IF possible, avoid ICS [Internet Connection Sharing]. It has the potential
to cause numerous *difficult to diagnose* issues should either registry
become corrupted or networking aspect change. The best is to buy a router
[they run about $14.95 US up] and another network cable [example- pre-made
50 foot $19.95 US] and if necessary another adapter [$9.95 US and up]. This
investment will pay for itself in the long run as diagnostics become easier,
the network can be changed and added to whenever necessary, and components
can be replaced individually should that be necessary.

Here's a basic setup and diagnostic page for reference during your setup
attempt:
GENERAL WINDOWS NETWORKING: DIAGNOSTICS AND SETUP - Part 3 of Windows
Diagnostics. Questions and answers, and links. Part 3 of Layered Security.
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/gen/se...NETWORKING.htm

|
| thank you both for helping,, shouldnt be more than 24hrs with the
details.
|

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel

Windows diagnostics/Security/Networking:
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
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~~

hi again.

http://www.virginbroadband.com.au/su...e/Default.aspx

leads to a photo of modem and shows the wires etc.

1)computer number 1 (which the modem is on now) shows no more holes to plug into at the back.

2)computer number 2, has what looks like a modem card installed, but we figure that is no good to us
at all right now. computer 2 also has no holes to accept any network cables. (except for
the modem card we found,, we think.)

3)no network cards are installed on both... which i guess means dad has to buy two, one so
that computer 1 has a hole to use, and computer two has a hole to recieve..... does this sound
right?

4)are network cards cheap? will it take a whole lot of configuration to make it work?
if dad buys some cards, does he have to instal drivers and such?

i will leave it here for now, and hopefully get a reply before bedtime.

tia t/b and jim.