Hooking Mom up on Roadrunner, can't send mail

Trying to move my Mom from dialup to Roadrunner. Most everything
works, ordinary dhcp, etc. But I can only send out mail directly
from Mozilla, not with the Exim mailhubbing I've been using.

On her previous dialup, and my Adelphia cable at home, I have
Exim set up to manage email. The Roadrunner server doesn't like
it, and gives me 'Relaying denied' or 'Domain of sender address
does not exist' messages, depending on how I rewrite the address.

For the moment, I've set up Mozilla to send directly to the
Roadrunner server, and that works. But how can they tell the
difference, and how can I make Exim look like Mozilla to the
upstream server?

Mozilla is sufficient for Mom's mail, but I have her system sending
me logs after rotation, and the like. I'd like the rest of the
mail system to be working, too.

Thanks,
Dale Pontius

In article <5V8hc.42044$B%(E-Mail Removed)>,
Virginia Pontius <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Trying to move my Mom from dialup to Roadrunner. Most everything
> works, ordinary dhcp, etc. But I can only send out mail directly
> from Mozilla, not with the Exim mailhubbing I've been using.
>
> On her previous dialup, and my Adelphia cable at home, I have
> Exim set up to manage email. The Roadrunner server doesn't like
> it, and gives me 'Relaying denied' or 'Domain of sender address
> does not exist' messages, depending on how I rewrite the address.
>
> For the moment, I've set up Mozilla to send directly to the
> Roadrunner server, and that works. But how can they tell the
> difference,

Maybe whether the source port is <1024 or not?

> and how can I make Exim look like Mozilla to the upstream server?

Dunno, but I'd like to find out too; widespread "anti-spam" moves have
forced me to use rr.com's mail server (slow, inconsistent). I'd use
whatever MTA...

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In article <c6386e$fid$(E-Mail Removed)>,
(E-Mail Removed)nge (Hactar) writes:
> In article <5V8hc.42044$B%(E-Mail Removed)>,
> Virginia Pontius <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> Trying to move my Mom from dialup to Roadrunner. Most everything
>> works, ordinary dhcp, etc. But I can only send out mail directly
>> from Mozilla, not with the Exim mailhubbing I've been using.
>>
>> On her previous dialup, and my Adelphia cable at home, I have
>> Exim set up to manage email. The Roadrunner server doesn't like
>> it, and gives me 'Relaying denied' or 'Domain of sender address
>> does not exist' messages, depending on how I rewrite the address.
>>
>> For the moment, I've set up Mozilla to send directly to the
>> Roadrunner server, and that works. But how can they tell the
>> difference,
>
> Maybe whether the source port is <1024 or not?
>
>> and how can I make Exim look like Mozilla to the upstream server?
>
> Dunno, but I'd like to find out too; widespread "anti-spam" moves have
> forced me to use rr.com's mail server (slow, inconsistent). I'd use
> whatever MTA...
>
Forgot to mention it earlier... Exim is good at rewriting addresses,
and I've tried all sorts. Not the least, I've tried rewriting to
'neo.rr.com' and 'dhcp-blah-blah.neo.rr.com', and still get the
errors about not relaying.

I'll have to change log rotation to not mail if I don't figure this
out, and find another way to get regular health reports on her
computer.

Dale Pontius

In article <kkchc.43733$B%(E-Mail Removed)>,
Virginia Pontius <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> In article <c6386e$fid$(E-Mail Removed)>,
> (E-Mail Removed)nge (Hactar) writes:
> > In article <5V8hc.42044$B%(E-Mail Removed)>,
> >
> >> and how can I make Exim look like Mozilla to the upstream server?
> >
> > Dunno, but I'd like to find out too; widespread "anti-spam" moves have
> > forced me to use rr.com's mail server (slow, inconsistent). I'd use
> > whatever MTA...
> >
> Forgot to mention it earlier... Exim is good at rewriting addresses,
> and I've tried all sorts. Not the least, I've tried rewriting to
> 'neo.rr.com' and 'dhcp-blah-blah.neo.rr.com', and still get the
> errors about not relaying.

Here (tampabay.rr.com) it's "smtp-server.rr.com" .

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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Virginia Pontius wrote:

> Trying to move my Mom from dialup to Roadrunner. Most everything
> works, ordinary dhcp, etc. But I can only send out mail directly
> from Mozilla, not with the Exim mailhubbing I've been using.
>

To get sendmail to work with rr I needed to add

DSsmtp-server.new.rr.com into sendmail.cf for smart relay host and

and

DjCPE-xx-xx-xxx-xxx.new.rr.com to hardcode my hostname

Exim, I'm sure, has similar settings.

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:42:41 GMT, Virginia Pontius wrote:
> Trying to move my Mom from dialup to Roadrunner. Most everything
> works, ordinary dhcp, etc. But I can only send out mail directly
> from Mozilla, not with the Exim mailhubbing I've been using.

What I had to do was create a canonical file to allow me to send from
cron and command line for Comcast. It converted my linux login to
comcast email addy and added comcast.net.

Guessing some ISPs are starting to require valid email.ISP accounts to
try to foil some the virus engines and spammers.

Bit Twister wrote:
>
> Guessing some ISPs are starting to require valid email.ISP accounts to
> try to foil some the virus engines and spammers.
>

and original poster

all rr.com smtp traffic is blocked here - get mom a better isp that
responds to abuse@ address

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On Mon, 03 May 2004 20:01:08 +0000, Bananas in the Falklands wrote:
>> Guessing some ISPs are starting to require valid email.ISP accounts to
>> try to foil some the virus engines and spammers.
>
> all rr.com smtp traffic is blocked here - get mom a better isp that
> responds to abuse@ address

Agreed, RR.com is probably the worst of the bunch, and almost all major
ISP's in the US are bad in their own way. RR blocks mail in an
indiscriminate fashion. NO ONE should count on being able to receive
mail at any *@*.rr.com address!

My solution to email problems was to get a virtual Linux server for a
low monthly fee ... http://www.redwoodvirtual.com/ , I can highly
recommend them ... and set up my mail server there. No more being
blacklisted, no more wondering if my mail was going through (I can see
the logs in real-time if I want to.) Most importantly, my mail isn't
subject to the whims of censor-minded halfwits at some ISP.

Ah, but in some cases it still IS. Enter rr.com! Yes, my server's in
one of their blocked netblocks. They block the whole /24, which in fact
is not entirely under the control of my provider, who got a /27 from
THEIR provider, he.net. In February, shortly after I started my service
with redwoodvirtual.com, I tried to send to a *.rr.com user and found
out about the blacklist. I wrote to their Abuse department to inquire
as to why they are blocking me.

You can guess what the response was ... that's right, still waiting.

Comcast is my ISP, and whilst the network is superb, the level of Clue
among support personnel is extremely low. Not that I have suffered as a
result of this, however: only one of their techs was ever so stupid as
to insist that I reboot my gateway machine, and I lied to him.

A Winbox here caught a worm in March, and it was sending out spams by
the thousands. I'm not much of a logwatcher, the fact that I have the
real-time capability notwithstanding, and it took me a fortnight to
catch the problem. (I posted about it, along with a tribute to good old
in.identd, in c.o.l.security around the end of March.)

On the eleventh day of said fortnight, (E-Mail Removed) (harvest THAT
one, spambots!! received a complaint about me. 5 weeks after the
first spams went out, I got a telephone call from Abuse asking me to
check my comcast.net address (which I refuse to use, and I have told
them so!)

Sure enough, it was about the fortnight of spamming, which I had
stopped 3 weeks prior to getting the call.

Absolutely disgusting. They take that long to get around to these
complaints, and they don't even bother to check to see if a problem is
still occurring.

<wish>
I wish it were possible to boycott companies for lack of Clue. Really,
they have a moral responsibility to customers to hire people who
understand their business! I haven't found many in ANY aspect of
computing ... hardware, software, and services ... who do. Exactly one
I remember, in fact: Tiara ARCNet. They went bankrupt. I called their
toll-free support number one evening in the late '90's, and I was
amazed to find someone on the other end who really knew the hardware
and software!

Maybe that's why they went bankrupt? Does the market not support honest
and Clueful business? I can imagine how a toll-free support line could
be inundated with lusers ...
</wish>
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/dev/rob0 wrote:
> On Mon, 03 May 2004 20:01:08 +0000, Bananas in the Falklands wrote:
>

> Agreed, RR.com is probably the worst of the bunch, and almost all major
> ISP's in the US are bad in their own way. RR blocks mail in an
> indiscriminate fashion. NO ONE should count on being able to receive
> mail at any *@*.rr.com address!

As postmaster I also block rr ip address space from sending mail, rr
need to clean up there act or clients its not a problem here anymore.

I hear what you say about the clueless - helpdesks just because you
can speaak english dont mean you've used a computer before the keyword
here is 'hints'. as to abuse desks I'm not sure half of them are even
staffed.

<humour>Im glad comcast did not buy Disney - just think if the abuse
department ran it Snow White would be doing drugs like Heroin, E's, and
probably crack before she went to Marketing for rebranding.... The
dwarfs would be ... ?</humour>

have fun.



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