home networking - ICS problem

I am trying to set up a simple home network - two Win98SE
machines with Ethernet cards connected through a switch.
Only one machine has a modem; I want to use ICS on the
other. (I realize that this is not quite a state-of-the-
art system, but it's what I've got).

Everything was working until I installed ICS. At that
point I could no longer access the Internet from the host
machine. My modem would dial out and connect to my ISP OK
but I couldn't get any further than that.

Here's a transcript of what went on:

When I left off yesterday, both computers had networking
cards installed and apparently operational (no error
messages), but I had not yet created a network (i.e.,
neither computer had IP addresses assigned and neither
appeared in the others "Network Neighborhood" display.
My internet connection works. I'm going to back up the
registry and C:\WINDOWS\ to tape before doing anything
else.

Situation at the moment: (note that "Client for Microsoft
Networks" and Microsoft Family Logon" both appear twice.
I'm not sure that's rightbut I'm going to leave it like
that under the If It Aint Broke Dont Fix It principle for
now).

Start>Settings>Control Panel>Network>Configuration

(client icon)Client for Microsoft Networks
(client icon)Client for Microsoft Networks
(client icon)Microsoft Family Logon
(client icon)Microsoft Family Logon
(adapter icon)Dial-Up Adapter
(adapter icon)Infrared PnP Serial Port (*PNP0510)
(adapter icon)SURECOM EP-320X-R 100/10M PCI Adapter
(protocol icon)Fast Infrared Protocol -> Infrared PnP
Serial Port (*PNP0510)
(protocol icon)TCP/IP -> Dial-Up Adapter
(protocol icon)TCP/IP -> SURECOM EP-320X-R 100/10M PCI
Adapter
(service icon)File and printer sharing for Microsoft
Networks

Primary Network Logon
Client for Microsoft Networks

Start>Settings>Control Panel>Network>Configuration>Dial-
Up Adapter>Properties>Bindings
(checked) TCP/IP -> Dial-Up Adapter

Start>Settings>Control
Panel>Network>Configuration>SURECOM EP-320X-R 100/10M PCI
Adapter>Properties>Bindings
(checked) TCP/IP -> SURECOM EP320X-R 100/10M PCI Adapter

Start>Settings>Control
Panel>Network>Configuration>TCP/IP -> Dial-Up
Adapter>Properties>

(a warning box appears saying nothing should be changed
here)

IP Addess - Obtain Automatically
WINS Configuration - disabled
Gateway - nothing entered
DNS Configuration - disabled
Bindings - Client for Microsoft Networks and Microsoft
Family Logon are checked

Start>Settings>Control
Panel>Network>Configuration>TCP/IP -> SURECOM EP320X-R
100/10M PCI Adapter>Properties>Bindings

IP Addess - Specify an IP Address
IP address - 192.168.0.1
Subnet mask - 255.255.255.0
WINS Configuration - disabled
Gateway - nothing entered
DNS Configuration - disabled
Bindings - Client for Microsoft Networks, Microsoft
Family Logon and File and Printer Sharing are checked

Desktop>My Computer>Dial-Up Networking>CIS Connection
(right click)>Properties>TCP/IP Settings
Server assigned IP address
Server assigned name server addresses
Use default gateway on remote network

Start>Run>C:\WINDOWS\winipcfg


Windows 98 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . : HOMEBUILT
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 209.154.36.74
206.175.136.174
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : Yes
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 216.192.43.17
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . : 216.192.43.17
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 01 01 80 12:00:00 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 01 01 80 12:00:00 AM

Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : Realtek 8139-series
PCI
NIC
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-02-44-F0-02-F8
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

Everything is the same on the other computer except the
IP address, which is 192.168.0.2 (I realize I can use ICS
until I install DHCP on the client but for now I just
want to make sure I can connect).

OK here goes. Reboot both computers.

OK, both computers are rebooted.
The network works - both computers appear in each other's
Network Neighborhood.
Now let's try an internet connection. It works.

Now for internet connection sharing.

Start>Settings>Control Panel>Add/Remove Programs>Windows
Setup>Internet Tools>Internet Connection Sharing

The Internet Connection Sharing Wizard starts up.
Specify "Dial-Up Adapter" as the Internet connection and
SURECOM EP320X-R 100/10M PCI Adapter as the network
connection.
Reboot.

Ok, now we're rebooted. I got a message from Norton
Antivirus that it is unable to install email protection.
That's interesting and may be significant, because I had
e-mail protection turned off.

So let's see if wr can get an internet connection.

Dial -up connection window comes up. Modem dials. Hosts
picks up. No joy.
DNS error from IE; "host 'pop.compuserve.com' cannot be
found" from OE.

Start>Settings>Control Panel>Network>Configuration

The following are added:

(adapter)Internet Connection Sharing
(protocol)Internet Connection Sharing(protocol}->Dial-Up
Adapter
(protocol)Internet Connection Sharing(protocol)->Internet
Connection Sharing
(protocol)Internet Connection Sharing(protocol)->SURECOM
EP320X-R 100/10M PCI Adapter
(protocol)TCP/IP->Internet Connection Sharing

The TCP/IP(home) and TCP/IP(shared) components are
missing. So let's deal with that.

Start>Run>sfc.exe
Extract one file
iphlpapi.dll
restore
save file
ok
ok
reboot

get that NAV message again. the warning box header says
POPPROXY
Now I'm supposed to remove and reinstall ICS

Start>Settings>Control Panel>Add/Remove Programs>Windows
Setup>Internet Tools
uncheck Internet Connection Sharing
restart

Get that POPROXY error from NAV again. Check NAV; e-mail
protection is in fact turned off.

Start>Settings>Control Panel>Add/Remove Programs>Windows
Setup>Internet Tools
check Internet Connection Sharing
Go through ICS wizard again - set up adapters as requested
restart

Start>Settings>Control Panel>Network>Configure

There are now entries for

(protocol)TCP/IP(Shared)->Dial-Up Adapter
(protocol)TCP/IP(Home)->SURECOM EP320X-R 100/10M PCI
Adapter

Ok, lets try an internet connection
Dial-Up Connection window comes up
Modem picks up and dials
Connect to host

no joy - dnserror on IE, "host not found" on OE; Now what?

Somebody suggested I need NETBEUI on the host machine, so
add a NETBEUI->SURECOM EP320X-R 100/10M PCI Adapter
binding and restart.

again, no joy

at this point, Winipcfg reads:

Windows 98 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . : HOMEBUILT
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : Yes
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : ICSHARE Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 169.254.55.185
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 06 22 04 9:43:10 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : Realtek 8139-series
PCI
NIC
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-02-44-F0-02-F8
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :


Somebody else suggested there's a firewall problem; the
only thing like a firewall I have is NAV, so I'll
uninstall that.

Again, no joy. Same errors.

So there's those duplicate entries for "Client for
Microsoft Networks" and "Microsoft Family Logon" in the
Network Configuration window. Remove one of each.

Again, no luck, same errors.

The only other thing I notice is that when I try to
access a web page, I get activity on the "TX" modem light
(by that I mean the little system tray icon; it's an
internal modem) but nothing ever appears on the "RX"
light. So it appears that I'm sending stuff out but not
getting anything back. Perhaps something is being
misidentified to the Net?

Your host computer needs to be the one that contains the modem, and should
also be the one from which ICS is used. You don't need a switch, just
connect the two computers together (via their NICs) with a Category 5
CROSSOVER cable, not a straight-through cable. Use file sharing to allow the
two computers to share files.

For additional info on the subject, go to www.practicallynetworked.com.

HTH

My host computer is the one with the modem. I may not
need a switch now but I intend to add additional
computers eventually. I'm not going to go out and buy a
crossover cable unless you can convince me that's whats
causing my internet problem. I don't need any advice on
the network part; it is working fine - I can access each
machine's drives from the other, everything shows up
right in Network Neighborhood, etc. I just want to get
ICS working. I've tried a whole number of things -
including the website you mentioned - with no success. As
soon as I install ICS I lose Internet connectivity, and I
can't get it back without drastic measures - reinstalling
Win98SE and the registry. (doing either alone does not
work). This Microsoft article

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
us;229974

describes exactly the problem I'm having, but the
conditions that cause the problem are different - I'm
using a dial-up modem, not a cable modem service.

>-----Original Message-----
>Your host computer needs to be the one that contains the
modem, and should
>also be the one from which ICS is used. You don't need a
switch, just
>connect the two computers together (via their NICs) with
a Category 5
>CROSSOVER cable, not a straight-through cable. Use file
sharing to allow the
>two computers to share files.
>
>For additional info on the subject, go to
www.practicallynetworked.com.
>
>HTH
>
>
>.
>

I won't try to convince you of anything, but consider this: crossover cables
are being sold for as little as $3.

Well, so what? I repeat:

1) The network part is working now. The two computers can
share files, printers, and everything else just fine.
What will having a crossover cable allow me to do with
the network that I can't do now?
2) When I attempt to install ICS on one computer, which
we'll call the host, I can no longer connect to the
Internet. This does not affect my ability to network to
the other computer. How will having a crossover cable
solve this? I see nothing in Microsoft or any other
documentation on networks that suggests there is any
relation between ICS and the way network computers are
connected.

>-----Original Message-----
>I won't try to convince you of anything, but consider
this: crossover cables
>are being sold for as little as $3.
>
>
>.
>

Why use ICS at all? There are other ways.

Take a look at www.practicallynetworked.com for a description of several
methods, and good luck to you.

It has become a personal vendetta. It's supposed to work
and I'm going to make it work. Thanks for the good
wishes. I have visted the link you mentioned and while
interesting it doesn't seem to have anything that bears
on my particular problem.

>-----Original Message-----
>Why use ICS at all? There are other ways.
>
>Take a look at www.practicallynetworked.com for a
description of several
>methods, and good luck to you.
>
>
>.
>

Are you sure? That website has a lot of depth (other pages to link to).

"bruce" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:2484201c45fa9$224bef10$(E-Mail Removed)...
> It has become a personal vendetta. It's supposed to work
> and I'm going to make it work. Thanks for the good
> wishes. I have visted the link you mentioned and while
> interesting it doesn't seem to have anything that bears
> on my particular problem.
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Why use ICS at all? There are other ways.
> >
> >Take a look at www.practicallynetworked.com for a
> description of several
> >methods, and good luck to you.
> >
> >
> >.
> >