Home network with internet access via a router - IP problems?

I am setting up a new machine running WinXP-SP2
Home edition, to replace an older machine running
win98SE - updated to current date.

This will eventually be used by someone else in
the family on a wireless network but I haven't got
that set up yet, and haven't bought the wireless
adapter for the remote machine - at the moment I
am just wanting to transfer files and download
stuff using both machines in the same room
connected with crossover cable via ethernet ports.

I'm an experienced PC user and builder but new to
XP and new to networks.

Win98SE now has a Network logon, (it runs
automatically, set up via TweakUI) and I am
working in XPHome on an Admin account that I don't
intend to use for anything except setting up.

I have a wireless voyager router, with wireless
OFF, and connecting to the XP machine via USB (I
normally connect to the router via ethernet but as
each machine has only one ethernet port I am using
usb to connect to internet at this stage of the game).
The XP machine is connected to the Win98SE machine
with a crossover ethernet cable.

I want to network the two machines together, and
share the internet access.
I run Zone Alarm free on both machines and know
how to add entries to the Trusted Zone for Zone
Alarm. I have tried the network+internet setup
with the firewalls off.

I have tried using the network wizard from XP to
set up the network on both machines but am unable
to get both a network AND shared internet. I can
do one or the other but not both. I have tried
assigning IP's manually on both machines, and also
letting both machines auto-assign - but if the
internet connection is up and running, they don't
seem to be able to auto-assign an IP address. If I
manually assign the address then the internet
connection goes down.

Router details are at present:
LAN side IP Address Settings
Primary IP Address
Enter here the IP address of your BT Voyager. This
is the address visible from the computers on your
network.
IP Address: 192.168.1.1
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Host Name: voyager
Domain Name: home
Secondary IP Address
Configure secondary IP address and subnet mask -
not ticked

DHCP Server Settings
Enabling DHCP Server on LAN interface can provide
the proper IP address settings to your computer.
DHCP Server - On
Start IP: 192.168.1.2
End IP: 192.168.1.2.254
Lease Time: 1days 0hours 0minutes
DHCP Server off

Reserved IP entries - none entered so far. I know
how to get my computer's physical MAC address -
the router offers to reserve IP entries and
presents boxes for the MAC address and the
reserved IPs you want. I don't understand that
bit. I don't understand what DHCP is either.
Just for completeness - my Win98SE computer uses a
HOSTS file at 127.0.0.1

As my network functions when the router is not
connected, and as internet functions fine when
network is not connected. But if I try and run
both then either the internet access goes down or
the network goes down.

I'm fairly sure that the problem comes when I
enter the IP's for my two computers in the network
wizard - at the moment I have tried 192.168.1.1
and 192.168.1.2 - but it looks like those are
already occupied by the router?
What should I be telling the wizard about IP
addresses and subnet mask for each network?
And do I need to change anything on the network
section of the router?

And how do I go about clearing out the old network
entries and starting afresh?

Many many thanks to anyone who can help me.
--
Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK
http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk
Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email
spam filter - (commission
goes to our partners in Bulgaria)
http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420

You should connect both computers directly to the router via Ethernet and
let the router assign IP addresses. Share which ever folders need to be
shared on each computer, setup a user account for the 98 computer on the XP
computer, this is the user name and password you logon with on the 98
computer and you should be set. By the way, I'd make the user name logon on
the 98 computer is the same as the 98 computer name, I've experienced
problems in certain scenarios when they have been different. Good luck!



"Robert M Jones" <robert53newsgroups-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>I am setting up a new machine running WinXP-SP2 Home edition, to replace an
>older machine running win98SE - updated to current date.
>
> This will eventually be used by someone else in the family on a wireless
> network but I haven't got that set up yet, and haven't bought the wireless
> adapter for the remote machine - at the moment I am just wanting to
> transfer files and download stuff using both machines in the same room
> connected with crossover cable via ethernet ports.
>
> I'm an experienced PC user and builder but new to XP and new to networks.
>
> Win98SE now has a Network logon, (it runs automatically, set up via
> TweakUI) and I am working in XPHome on an Admin account that I don't
> intend to use for anything except setting up.
>
> I have a wireless voyager router, with wireless OFF, and connecting to the
> XP machine via USB (I normally connect to the router via ethernet but as
> each machine has only one ethernet port I am using usb to connect to
> internet at this stage of the game).
> The XP machine is connected to the Win98SE machine with a crossover
> ethernet cable.
>
> I want to network the two machines together, and share the internet
> access.
> I run Zone Alarm free on both machines and know how to add entries to the
> Trusted Zone for Zone Alarm. I have tried the network+internet setup with
> the firewalls off.
>
> I have tried using the network wizard from XP to set up the network on
> both machines but am unable to get both a network AND shared internet. I
> can do one or the other but not both. I have tried assigning IP's manually
> on both machines, and also letting both machines auto-assign - but if the
> internet connection is up and running, they don't seem to be able to
> auto-assign an IP address. If I manually assign the address then the
> internet connection goes down.
>
> Router details are at present:
> LAN side IP Address Settings
> Primary IP Address
> Enter here the IP address of your BT Voyager. This is the address visible
> from the computers on your network.
> IP Address: 192.168.1.1
> Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
> Host Name: voyager
> Domain Name: home
> Secondary IP Address
> Configure secondary IP address and subnet mask - not ticked
>
> DHCP Server Settings
> Enabling DHCP Server on LAN interface can provide the proper IP address
> settings to your computer.
> DHCP Server - On
> Start IP: 192.168.1.2
> End IP: 192.168.1.2.254
> Lease Time: 1days 0hours 0minutes
> DHCP Server off
>
> Reserved IP entries - none entered so far. I know how to get my computer's
> physical MAC address - the router offers to reserve IP entries and
> presents boxes for the MAC address and the reserved IPs you want. I don't
> understand that bit. I don't understand what DHCP is either.
> Just for completeness - my Win98SE computer uses a HOSTS file at 127.0.0.1
>
> As my network functions when the router is not connected, and as internet
> functions fine when network is not connected. But if I try and run both
> then either the internet access goes down or the network goes down.
>
> I'm fairly sure that the problem comes when I enter the IP's for my two
> computers in the network wizard - at the moment I have tried 192.168.1.1
> and 192.168.1.2 - but it looks like those are already occupied by the
> router?
> What should I be telling the wizard about IP addresses and subnet mask for
> each network?
> And do I need to change anything on the network section of the router?
>
> And how do I go about clearing out the old network entries and starting
> afresh?
>
> Many many thanks to anyone who can help me.
> --
> Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK
> http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk
> Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email spam filter - (commission
> goes to our partners in Bulgaria)
> http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420
>

"Martin S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)
> You should connect both computers directly to the router via
> Ethernet and let the router assign IP addresses. Share which
> ever
> folders need to be shared on each computer, setup a user
> account
> for the 98 computer on the XP computer, this is the user name
> and
> password you logon with on the 98 computer and you should be
> set.
> By the way, I'd make the user name logon on the 98 computer is
> the
> same as the 98 computer name, I've experienced problems in
> certain
> scenarios when they have been different. Good luck!

Not true.

>
>
>
> "Robert M Jones" <robert53newsgroups-(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote
> in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I am setting up a new machine running WinXP-SP2 Home edition,
> > to
> > replace an older machine running win98SE - updated to current
> > date. This will eventually be used by someone else in the
> > family on a
> > wireless network but I haven't got that set up yet, and
> > haven't
> > bought the wireless adapter for the remote machine - at the
> > moment I am just wanting to transfer files and download stuff
> > using both machines in the same room connected with crossover
> > cable via ethernet ports. I'm an experienced PC user and
> > builder but new to XP and new to
> > networks. Win98SE now has a Network logon, (it runs
> > automatically, set up
> > via TweakUI) and I am working in XPHome on an Admin account
> > that
> > I don't intend to use for anything except setting up.
> >
> > I have a wireless voyager router, with wireless OFF, and
> > connecting to the XP machine via USB (I normally connect to
> > the
> > router via ethernet but as each machine has only one ethernet
> > port I am using usb to connect to internet at this stage of
> > the
> > game). The XP machine is connected to the Win98SE machine
> > with a
> > crossover ethernet cable.
> >
> > I want to network the two machines together, and share the
> > internet access.
> > I run Zone Alarm free on both machines and know how to add
> > entries to the Trusted Zone for Zone Alarm. I have tried the
> > network+internet setup with the firewalls off.
> >
> > I have tried using the network wizard from XP to set up the
> > network on both machines but am unable to get both a network
> > AND
> > shared internet. I can do one or the other but not both. I
> > have
> > tried assigning IP's manually on both machines, and also
> > letting
> > both machines auto-assign - but if the internet connection is
> > up
> > and running, they don't seem to be able to auto-assign an IP
> > address. If I manually assign the address then the internet
> > connection goes down. Router details are at present:
> > LAN side IP Address Settings
> > Primary IP Address
> > Enter here the IP address of your BT Voyager. This is the
> > address
> > visible from the computers on your network.
> > IP Address: 192.168.1.1
> > Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
> > Host Name: voyager
> > Domain Name: home
> > Secondary IP Address
> > Configure secondary IP address and subnet mask - not ticked
> >
> > DHCP Server Settings
> > Enabling DHCP Server on LAN interface can provide the proper
> > IP
> > address settings to your computer.
> > DHCP Server - On
> > Start IP: 192.168.1.2
> > End IP: 192.168.1.2.254
> > Lease Time: 1days 0hours 0minutes
> > DHCP Server off
> >
> > Reserved IP entries - none entered so far. I know how to get
> > my
> > computer's physical MAC address - the router offers to
> > reserve IP
> > entries and presents boxes for the MAC address and the
> > reserved
> > IPs you want. I don't understand that bit. I don't understand
> > what DHCP is either. Just for completeness - my Win98SE
> > computer uses a HOSTS file at
> > 127.0.0.1 As my network functions when the router is not
> > connected, and as
> > internet functions fine when network is not connected. But if
> > I
> > try and run both then either the internet access goes down or
> > the
> > network goes down. I'm fairly sure that the problem comes
> > when I enter the IP's for
> > my two computers in the network wizard - at the moment I have
> > tried 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2 - but it looks like those
> > are
> > already occupied by the router?
> > What should I be telling the wizard about IP addresses and
> > subnet
> > mask for each network?
> > And do I need to change anything on the network section of
> > the
> > router? And how do I go about clearing out the old network
> > entries and
> > starting afresh?
> >
> > Many many thanks to anyone who can help me.
> > --
> > Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK
> > http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk
> > Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email spam filter -
> > (commission goes to our partners in Bulgaria)
> > http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420

--


Travis in Shoreline Washington

Great info... Not true....


"Travis M." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:FoIdg.497$HV1.231@trndny01...
> "Martin S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)
>> You should connect both computers directly to the router via
>> Ethernet and let the router assign IP addresses. Share which ever
>> folders need to be shared on each computer, setup a user account
>> for the 98 computer on the XP computer, this is the user name and
>> password you logon with on the 98 computer and you should be set.
>> By the way, I'd make the user name logon on the 98 computer is the
>> same as the 98 computer name, I've experienced problems in certain
>> scenarios when they have been different. Good luck!
>
> Not true.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Robert M Jones" <robert53newsgroups-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>> in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > I am setting up a new machine running WinXP-SP2 Home edition, to
>> > replace an older machine running win98SE - updated to current
>> > date. This will eventually be used by someone else in the family on a
>> > wireless network but I haven't got that set up yet, and haven't
>> > bought the wireless adapter for the remote machine - at the
>> > moment I am just wanting to transfer files and download stuff
>> > using both machines in the same room connected with crossover
>> > cable via ethernet ports. I'm an experienced PC user and builder but
>> > new to XP and new to
>> > networks. Win98SE now has a Network logon, (it runs automatically, set
>> > up
>> > via TweakUI) and I am working in XPHome on an Admin account that
>> > I don't intend to use for anything except setting up.
>> >
>> > I have a wireless voyager router, with wireless OFF, and
>> > connecting to the XP machine via USB (I normally connect to the
>> > router via ethernet but as each machine has only one ethernet
>> > port I am using usb to connect to internet at this stage of the
>> > game). The XP machine is connected to the Win98SE machine with a
>> > crossover ethernet cable.
>> >
>> > I want to network the two machines together, and share the
>> > internet access.
>> > I run Zone Alarm free on both machines and know how to add
>> > entries to the Trusted Zone for Zone Alarm. I have tried the
>> > network+internet setup with the firewalls off.
>> >
>> > I have tried using the network wizard from XP to set up the
>> > network on both machines but am unable to get both a network AND
>> > shared internet. I can do one or the other but not both. I have
>> > tried assigning IP's manually on both machines, and also letting
>> > both machines auto-assign - but if the internet connection is up
>> > and running, they don't seem to be able to auto-assign an IP
>> > address. If I manually assign the address then the internet
>> > connection goes down. Router details are at present:
>> > LAN side IP Address Settings
>> > Primary IP Address
>> > Enter here the IP address of your BT Voyager. This is the address
>> > visible from the computers on your network.
>> > IP Address: 192.168.1.1
>> > Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
>> > Host Name: voyager
>> > Domain Name: home
>> > Secondary IP Address
>> > Configure secondary IP address and subnet mask - not ticked
>> >
>> > DHCP Server Settings
>> > Enabling DHCP Server on LAN interface can provide the proper IP
>> > address settings to your computer.
>> > DHCP Server - On
>> > Start IP: 192.168.1.2
>> > End IP: 192.168.1.2.254
>> > Lease Time: 1days 0hours 0minutes
>> > DHCP Server off
>> >
>> > Reserved IP entries - none entered so far. I know how to get my
>> > computer's physical MAC address - the router offers to reserve IP
>> > entries and presents boxes for the MAC address and the reserved
>> > IPs you want. I don't understand that bit. I don't understand
>> > what DHCP is either. Just for completeness - my Win98SE computer uses a
>> > HOSTS file at
>> > 127.0.0.1 As my network functions when the router is not connected, and
>> > as
>> > internet functions fine when network is not connected. But if I
>> > try and run both then either the internet access goes down or the
>> > network goes down. I'm fairly sure that the problem comes when I enter
>> > the IP's for
>> > my two computers in the network wizard - at the moment I have
>> > tried 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2 - but it looks like those are
>> > already occupied by the router?
>> > What should I be telling the wizard about IP addresses and subnet
>> > mask for each network?
>> > And do I need to change anything on the network section of the
>> > router? And how do I go about clearing out the old network entries and
>> > starting afresh?
>> >
>> > Many many thanks to anyone who can help me.
>> > --
>> > Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK
>> > http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk
>> > Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email spam filter -
>> > (commission goes to our partners in Bulgaria)
>> > http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420
>
> --
>
>
> Travis in Shoreline Washington

"Martin S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)
> Great info... Not true....

Why don't you stop answering with bogus information?

--


Travis in Shoreline Washington

<snip>

Looks like more than one problem. I would immediately change the DHCP
so that you don't have problems assigning IP addresses. I'd suggest
starting the DHCP addresses at 192.168.1.100 instead of 192.168.1.2.

Also, your router already occupies 192.168.1.1. Don't try to assign a
computer to that address.

You'll probably have to do more, but following these suggestions will
clear away one obstacle and may lead to eventual solution.


Robert M Jones wrote:
> Router details are at present:
> LAN side IP Address Settings
> Primary IP Address
> Enter here the IP address of your BT Voyager. This
> is the address visible from the computers on your
> network.
> IP Address: 192.168.1.1
> Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
> Host Name: voyager
> Domain Name: home
> Secondary IP Address
> Configure secondary IP address and subnet mask -
> not ticked
>
> DHCP Server Settings
> Enabling DHCP Server on LAN interface can provide
> the proper IP address settings to your computer.
> DHCP Server - On
> Start IP: 192.168.1.2
> End IP: 192.168.1.2.254
> Lease Time: 1days 0hours 0minutes
> DHCP Server off
>
> As my network functions when the router is not
> connected, and as internet functions fine when
> network is not connected. But if I try and run
> both then either the internet access goes down or
> the network goes down.
>
> I'm fairly sure that the problem comes when I
> enter the IP's for my two computers in the network
> wizard - at the moment I have tried 192.168.1.1
> and 192.168.1.2 - but it looks like those are
> already occupied by the router?
> What should I be telling the wizard about IP
> addresses and subnet mask for each network?
> And do I need to change anything on the network
> section of the router?
>
> And how do I go about clearing out the old network
> entries and starting afresh?
>
> Many many thanks to anyone who can help me.
> --
> Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK
> http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk
> Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email
> spam filter - (commission
> goes to our partners in Bulgaria)
> http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420