Home network - boroadband, wired and wirless with printer!

Brilliant thank you very much!

The only thing i am trying to do is to keep my bt broadband seperate from a
computer so it can be accessed 24/7! And i want access points in rooms just
incase computers have to be used from them! Each room just needs 1 wall
socket, and the cable to this will be travelling no more than say 40 metres
so shouldn't need boosted!

Right lets see if i have this right, i can start by buying a 4port adsl
router (wireless) and use it roudn the house homefully! And after that, if i
want to add a wired network to each room i can add basic switches to this to
give me wired connections! I could for instance add two 8 port switches amd
wire these up fully?? And these switches can be kept to together or
seperated remotley?? And you connect the adsl router to the switches using
standard cat5!

Thanks again - you wouldn't guess I have a computer degree (no joke) thanks!


"George" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
>> Thanks very much for all the replies!
>>
>> The house i am in at the minute is actually quite big and i have a
>> central cupboard downstatirs that i hope to keeop all the network
>> equipment in! Then add boosters throughout the house (probably 2 - 1 each
>> way!)
>
> You shouldn't need too much space for the equipment - A wireless router
> about the size of a VHS cassette and a switch about the size of a mobile
> phone. Also, how long are the cables you plan on running? I've seen
> massive runs of Cat5 cable (corporate LAN) without boosters!
>
>> Am i right in thinking i can have a hub with a built in dsl modem (say an
>> 8 port one) and then i can add (via uplink) only one extra switch for
>> wirelees say 4 ports??
>
>
> It doesn't even have to be that complicated! Buy something like a Netgear
> DG834G or Speedtouch 580 (or anything similar!) Take the Netgear - on it's
> own, it acts as a DSL modem, a router, a 4 port switch, a wireless access
> point and a firewall - everything you need minus a few ethernet ports! You
> can connect any port (not just an uplink) to one or more of the four ports
> using either straight or cross-wired cable! The ports have a technology
> called 'Auto-uplink' that allows for this. So to clarify - all you need is
> a box like this, plus a suitable hub or switch to expand the number of
> ethernet ports you have! The cost? Should be less than £100 all in!
>
>

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:03:08 +0000 (UTC), "Martyn Lawrie"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Right lets see if i have this right, i can start by buying a 4port adsl
>router (wireless) and use it roudn the house homefully! And after that, if i
>want to add a wired network to each room i can add basic switches to this to
>give me wired connections! I could for instance add two 8 port switches amd
>wire these up fully?? And these switches can be kept to together or
>seperated remotley?? And you connect the adsl router to the switches using
>standard cat5!

yes, the switches will either autodetect or have an uplink port so it
can all be standard Cat5. You can daisy chain them Router - switch -
switch too.

Phil
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"Martyn Lawrie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Sorry could i for instance lik these two together:
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...747881-7667642
>
> and
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...747881-7667642
>
> Thanks,
>
> Martyn

You sure could!! One thing though, I'd look at Netgear's new router -
DG834GT. It's identical to the one mentioned in the link, but the
wireless connection is twice as fast. It may be worth while looking at
other brands too. Belkin, Linksys, Speedtouch and MANY more companies
make equipment like this at ever falling prices.


George

Thanks very much! Ok can you recommend which one you think is the best
please??

What do you thin of the pre n belkin stuff! PC World told me they have a
wireless adsl router arriving soon in t his range! What are the current
standards i should be aiming for in terms of speed for my network! I mean
will 108mbps be fast enough for 4 computers for instance or is there faster
out there?

THanks again to everyone!


"George" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "Martyn Lawrie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:dbjv7a$o8m$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Sorry could i for instance lik these two together:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...747881-7667642
>>
>> and
>>
>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...747881-7667642
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Martyn
>
> You sure could!! One thing though, I'd look at Netgear's new router -
> DG834GT. It's identical to the one mentioned in the link, but the wireless
> connection is twice as fast. It may be worth while looking at other brands
> too. Belkin, Linksys, Speedtouch and MANY more companies make equipment
> like this at ever falling prices.
>
>
> George
>

"Martyn Lawrie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Thanks very much! Ok can you recommend which one you think is the best
> please??
>
> What do you thin of the pre n belkin stuff! PC World told me they have
> a wireless adsl router arriving soon in t his range! What are the
> current standards i should be aiming for in terms of speed for my
> network! I mean will 108mbps be fast enough for 4 computers for
> instance or is there faster out there?
>
> THanks again to everyone!
>
>

To be honest, if you are only using the wireless connection for internet
access, then even to dated 11 Mb/s would be fine. Obviously, for
transferring files etc, then a faster connection is desirable, and, to
my knowledge the GT standard (108 Mb/s) is the fastest at the moment -
This is potentially faster than the wired connections found on most DSL
routers. As for brands, in practice, there is little difference in
performance between them. I've found Belkin and Netgear the easist to
set-up in the past. I tried a Speedtouch 580 too, which was fine, but my
only grumble was that it masked out the WEP key as you typed it, and
didn't support Passphrase (although for some reason, their wireless
adapters do..)

You should also look at other factors - How much does it cost for
telephone support? (Belkin's is free, Speedtouch is £1/min), How long
is the warranty? - I'm sure you can come up with more questions.

George

George i can't thank you enough! After using my local PC World for reading
the boxes etc i think i have come up with a plan! As most of the
transferring etc will be done using a wired connection i looked at a few of
the best boxees!

I found a 'new' 8 port belkin 1gb ethernet switch, which would certainly
appear future proof! All i have to do is find a wireless adsl modem router
to connect it to and bob's your mothers brother! Am i right in thinking i
will need an adsl router with 1gb connections on it to fully utilise it
throughout the network! If so i am sure these aren't available yet with adsl
routers only going to 100mbps at the minute! Is there plans to bring out a 4
port wireless adsl router in the future! I do realise the 3 remaining
wireless connections will probably only go to 125mbps which is still good
enough!

Cheers for all the help,

Martyn


"George" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "Martyn Lawrie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:dbml37$cck$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Thanks very much! Ok can you recommend which one you think is the best
>> please??
>>
>> What do you thin of the pre n belkin stuff! PC World told me they have a
>> wireless adsl router arriving soon in t his range! What are the current
>> standards i should be aiming for in terms of speed for my network! I mean
>> will 108mbps be fast enough for 4 computers for instance or is there
>> faster out there?
>>
>> THanks again to everyone!
>>
>>
>
> To be honest, if you are only using the wireless connection for internet
> access, then even to dated 11 Mb/s would be fine. Obviously, for
> transferring files etc, then a faster connection is desirable, and, to my
> knowledge the GT standard (108 Mb/s) is the fastest at the moment - This
> is potentially faster than the wired connections found on most DSL
> routers. As for brands, in practice, there is little difference in
> performance between them. I've found Belkin and Netgear the easist to
> set-up in the past. I tried a Speedtouch 580 too, which was fine, but my
> only grumble was that it masked out the WEP key as you typed it, and
> didn't support Passphrase (although for some reason, their wireless
> adapters do..)
>
> You should also look at other factors - How much does it cost for
> telephone support? (Belkin's is free, Speedtouch is £1/min), How long is
> the warranty? - I'm sure you can come up with more questions.
>
> George
>

"Martyn Lawrie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi everyone (first time poster)
>
> I really want to install a home network in my house! Unfortunately my
> walls are very thick and require me to install a wired network! Although i
> have only 3 computers(other family members laptopts included) i would like
> to hardwire at least 6 different wallmounted connections! The actual
> wiring of the network is not a problem but I am stuck on finding the
> cheapest and best kit!
>
> I would like an adsl switch/router with about 12 ports But i would aslo
> like wirelss ports too - just 2 or 3! My house has 2mbps boradband and is
> going to go to 4 at some point in the future so i think it can handle 3
> computers at once (max)! What kit should i buy to wire about 12 ports and
> have wireless too??? Will probably need a firewall built in to!!!
>
> Thanks in advance!
>

On 21 Jul 2005 17:48, "Martyn Lawrie" wrote:

>I found a 'new' 8 port belkin 1gb ethernet switch, which would certainly
>appear future proof!

Yes, it would seem that way, but just as with 100 Mbps (only) switches, it is
not difficult to find some item of kit which as yet has no compatible speed,
so your 1000 Mbps unit will sit sulking unless you find other kit which is
similar. Far better to go for something which is 10/100/1000 or 100/1000
if you are feeling it worth buying for the next 20 years (some of my kit
is *deliberately* connected at 10 Mbps since the ADSL speeds I will get
for the next X months will be below 10 Mbps, for sure, and even if I had
a Bulldog 8064 kbps connection, it would be handled within my LAN without
needing 100 (let alone 1000) Mbps.

>Is there plans to bring out a 4 port wireless adsl router in the future!

Most of the wireless routers I've seen already have 4 wired ports !

>I do realise the 3 remaining wireless connections will probably only
>go to 125mbps which is still good enough!

Not sure what you're on about in the above... 108 Mbps is the upper speed
being claimed from a few bits of kit. At present I don't have any wireless
kit here (though I see the BT Freeview box includes browsing and so on and
would need a wireless link to allow it onto the ADSL service!) but seeing
the comments George made, it's quite likely 11 or 54 Mbps would be OK!

Thanks poster! Right i have selected my two items which give me enough wired
and wireless connections!

I have chosen this as the main adsl router
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProdu...%2Etworking%2F

And this as the switch to give me extra ports!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...747881-7667642

So am i right in thinking all i need is an rj45 cable connector to connect
one port from the router to one port on the switch! Thus leaving me with 3
wireless (or wired) ports on the router and 7 on the switch?? And say if for
some bizarre reason i had 7 computers on the switch would i notice the
difference in speed between them (ie does the routers single 100mbps speed
hold them back?)??? I think that is my last question! Thanks,

Martyn

PS I think i will use Belkins access points and print servers too!



"poster" <us-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On 21 Jul 2005 17:48, "Martyn Lawrie" wrote:
>
>>I found a 'new' 8 port belkin 1gb ethernet switch, which would certainly
>>appear future proof!
>
> Yes, it would seem that way, but just as with 100 Mbps (only) switches, it
> is
> not difficult to find some item of kit which as yet has no compatible
> speed,
> so your 1000 Mbps unit will sit sulking unless you find other kit which is
> similar. Far better to go for something which is 10/100/1000 or 100/1000
> if you are feeling it worth buying for the next 20 years (some of my kit
> is *deliberately* connected at 10 Mbps since the ADSL speeds I will get
> for the next X months will be below 10 Mbps, for sure, and even if I had
> a Bulldog 8064 kbps connection, it would be handled within my LAN without
> needing 100 (let alone 1000) Mbps.
>
>>Is there plans to bring out a 4 port wireless adsl router in the future!
>
> Most of the wireless routers I've seen already have 4 wired ports !
>
>>I do realise the 3 remaining wireless connections will probably only
>>go to 125mbps which is still good enough!
>
> Not sure what you're on about in the above... 108 Mbps is the upper speed
> being claimed from a few bits of kit. At present I don't have any
> wireless
> kit here (though I see the BT Freeview box includes browsing and so on and
> would need a wireless link to allow it onto the ADSL service!) but seeing
> the comments George made, it's quite likely 11 or 54 Mbps would be OK!
>

On 21 Jul 2005 21:46 (UTC), "Martyn Lawrie" wrote:

>Thanks poster! Right i have selected my two items which give me enough wired
>and wireless connections!
>
>I have chosen this as the main adsl router
<SNIP very long URL>
Why not just put the model number Belkin F5D7633uk4A ?

>And this as the switch to give me extra ports!
Belkin F5D5141ea8

>So am i right in thinking all i need is an rj45 cable connector to connect
>one port from the router to one port on the switch!

Yes. But out of interest, do you actually have anything with such high speed
ethernet ports ? I think you are paying from 30 to 50 quid too much if you're
buying the 10/100/1000 8 port switch now, when in 5 years the prices will be a
lot lower and you might actually have kit connecting that needs that speed...

There's a Belkin F5D5131UK8 (8 port 10/100) on Ebuyer at 17.28 +VAT which is
likely to do just as good a job, for the next few years, IMO.


>Thus leaving me with 3 wireless (or wired) ports on the router and 7 on the switch?

wireless ports ?????????? Sorry, you will have some limit to the number
of wireless devices which are active (probably a theoretical limit of ~ 128
and a practical limit well below that for one of these lower cost units) but
they're only ever described as *wired* ports (or ports, more likely, meaning
the ones where a physical plug is used).

>And say if for some bizarre reason i had 7 computers on the switch would i
>notice the difference in speed between them (ie does the routers single
>100mbps speed hold them back?)??? I think that is my last question!

No you should notice no speed difference between having something plugged into
the 8-port switch or the 4-port ADSL/router unit. A firm I deal with has 2x
24 port 10/100 switches. Most of the traffic is to/from their file server
when people load or save documents they're working on, but they all share
a single 500 kbps ADSL router (a separate router to connect to another ISP
is also connected to the LAN, but used primarily for e-mail to / from their
mail server...) You must remember the lower speed of the ADSL connection
is always going to be the limiting factor, and for most LANs, it would all
work just as well at 10 Mbps. I've used 10 Mbps for the last 20+ years on
various home and office networks, and while I have 100 Mpbs available, its
really not been significant for me to need it, except that nowadays you'll
get a 10/100 Mbps kit for perhaps less than any 10 Mbps kit :-) Peter M.

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