Home 512Kbps upstream question

Does anyone know of a resonably priced 1024/512 home product - all the ones
I've seen are well over 100 quid a month: I can't work out why it is so much
more costly than twice the price of a 512/256 product (though I may be about
to find out!).

Alternatively, is it possible to have two 512/256 lines going into a house
and front them with a router (pc with routing services and a sprinkling of
NICs or maybe something more sophisticated) to try and get the higher
bandwidth out?

Have had a search through ngs and sites but with no luck, and people here
seem to know what is what.

Cheers,
Doyler

"Doyler" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Does anyone know of a resonably priced 1024/512 home product - all the
ones
> I've seen are well over 100 quid a month: I can't work out why it is
so much
> more costly than twice the price of a 512/256 product (though I may be
about
> to find out!).

You can't get a 512K ADSL upload in the UK unless an LLU operator like
Easynet or Bulldog were to offer it on one of the exchanges they had
unbundled.

ADSL Services which depend on BT equipment only offer 256K upload.

> Alternatively, is it possible to have two 512/256 lines going into a
house
> and front them with a router (pc with routing services and a
sprinkling of
> NICs or maybe something more sophisticated) to try and get the higher
> bandwidth out?

Yes, this is possible - you could use something like
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/hardware...cyclone200.asp

Also, it may be worth you contacting A&A (http://www.aa.nu) and reading
their newsgroup news://alt.internet.providers.uk.aaisp

They have managed to get what you describe up and running for some of
their customers who wanted it..

Regards
Sunil

Yep its called "BT keep Britain in the Dark Ages"



"Sunil Sood" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "Doyler" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:3f4e647a$0$224$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Does anyone know of a resonably priced 1024/512 home product - all the
> ones
> > I've seen are well over 100 quid a month: I can't work out why it is
> so much
> > more costly than twice the price of a 512/256 product (though I may be
> about
> > to find out!).
>
> You can't get a 512K ADSL upload in the UK unless an LLU operator like
> Easynet or Bulldog were to offer it on one of the exchanges they had
> unbundled.
>
> ADSL Services which depend on BT equipment only offer 256K upload.
>
> > Alternatively, is it possible to have two 512/256 lines going into a
> house
> > and front them with a router (pc with routing services and a
> sprinkling of
> > NICs or maybe something more sophisticated) to try and get the higher
> > bandwidth out?
>
> Yes, this is possible - you could use something like
>
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/hardware...cyclone200.asp
>
> Also, it may be worth you contacting A&A (http://www.aa.nu) and reading
> their newsgroup news://alt.internet.providers.uk.aaisp
>
> They have managed to get what you describe up and running for some of
> their customers who wanted it..
>
> Regards
> Sunil
>
>

> "Doyler" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:3f4e647a$0$224$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Does anyone know of a resonably priced 1024/512 home product - all the
> ones
> > I've seen are well over 100 quid a month: I can't work out why it is
> so much
> > more costly than twice the price of a 512/256 product (though I may be
> about
> > to find out!).
>
> You can't get a 512K ADSL upload in the UK unless an LLU operator like
> Easynet or Bulldog were to offer it on one of the exchanges they had
> unbundled.
>
> ADSL Services which depend on BT equipment only offer 256K upload.
>
> > Alternatively, is it possible to have two 512/256 lines going into a
> house
> > and front them with a router (pc with routing services and a
> sprinkling of
> > NICs or maybe something more sophisticated) to try and get the higher
> > bandwidth out?
>
> Yes, this is possible - you could use something like
>
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/hardware...cyclone200.asp
>
> Also, it may be worth you contacting A&A (http://www.aa.nu) and reading
> their newsgroup news://alt.internet.providers.uk.aaisp
>
> They have managed to get what you describe up and running for some of
> their customers who wanted it..
>
> Regards
> Sunil

Thanks for the info, Sunil.

Cheers,
Doyler

Bt do offer 512k Upload its called SDSL - Symetrical Digital subcriber Line,
Its offically lauched On September 8th, but unfortunalty its only aimed at
Bussiness and only avaible on SDSL Bt exchanges (eg Big city exchanges)
"Doyler" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > "Doyler" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:3f4e647a$0$224$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > Does anyone know of a resonably priced 1024/512 home product - all the
> > ones
> > > I've seen are well over 100 quid a month: I can't work out why it is
> > so much
> > > more costly than twice the price of a 512/256 product (though I may be
> > about
> > > to find out!).
> >
> > You can't get a 512K ADSL upload in the UK unless an LLU operator like
> > Easynet or Bulldog were to offer it on one of the exchanges they had
> > unbundled.
> >
> > ADSL Services which depend on BT equipment only offer 256K upload.
> >
> > > Alternatively, is it possible to have two 512/256 lines going into a
> > house
> > > and front them with a router (pc with routing services and a
> > sprinkling of
> > > NICs or maybe something more sophisticated) to try and get the higher
> > > bandwidth out?
> >
> > Yes, this is possible - you could use something like
> >
>
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/hardware...cyclone200.asp
> >
> > Also, it may be worth you contacting A&A (http://www.aa.nu) and reading
> > their newsgroup news://alt.internet.providers.uk.aaisp
> >
> > They have managed to get what you describe up and running for some of
> > their customers who wanted it..
> >
> > Regards
> > Sunil
>
> Thanks for the info, Sunil.
>
> Cheers,
> Doyler
>
>
>

"Doyler" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Does anyone know of a resonably priced 1024/512 home product - all the
ones
> I've seen are well over 100 quid a month: I can't work out why it is so
much
> more costly than twice the price of a 512/256 product (though I may be
about
> to find out!).

My gut feeling is that high upload lines are so expensive because you can
provide services off that line.
With 256 kbit/sec (and dynamic IP address) you hardly can provide useful Web
or FTP services.

High-upload sites are needed basically for providing web hosting or other
services.
You can and will raise money providing services.
Therefore, you are likely to be rich (that's what I think they think )
Therefore you should be charged at a business rate. (read: share your
profits with us).

>
> Alternatively, is it possible to have two 512/256 lines going into a house
> and front them with a router (pc with routing services and a sprinkling of
> NICs or maybe something more sophisticated) to try and get the higher
> bandwidth out?

I've read about a successful experiment with a Firebrick router/firewall
that could accept two ADSL lines and use them as a bundle.
The person who wrote it claimed to have 2x (2048/256) lines = 4M down / 512K
up using that Firebrick.
Both lines were claimed to be from the same ISP.

Because someone else told that BT normally DSL-enables only one line per
household.
Though this may be just load of b*llocks.


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Maximillian!

"Maximilian K." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

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>
> I've read about a successful experiment with a Firebrick router/firewall
> that could accept two ADSL lines and use them as a bundle.
> The person who wrote it claimed to have 2x (2048/256) lines = 4M down /
512K
> up using that Firebrick.
> Both lines were claimed to be from the same ISP.
>

The person concerned was Adrian Kennard, who owns AAISP. To do this, he
used a firebrick at both ends of the link, but the only service available to
customers ATM is bonding the uplink. So you could get 512K bonded uplink,
but the downlink would have to be balanced on a per session basis. I
believe he intends to offer the full bonded service to the public starting
sometime next year.

> Because someone else told that BT normally DSL-enables only one line per
> household.
> Though this may be just load of b*llocks.
>
>

A number of people from A&A have more than one ADSL enabled line in the same
house, so it is possible.

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Martin