Holy Yikes! ZoneEdit.com ROCKS!

Crossposted to:
sci.electronics.design: because that's where the smart people hang
out, and I like to pretend that they put up with my BS,
alt.os.linux.slackware: because I'd like to think that one of these
days, when I learn all of this stuff, I'll be a Slackor,
comp.os.linux.networking: because it's about networking.

So, anyways, I had been exploiting verizon's DHCP (dynamic host
configuration protocol) server, where I'm paying for a dynamic IP.
Well, when I first started out with them, it turned out that I could
plug a hub or switch into the DSL modem, and practically all of the
computers on the whole network into the hub, and they'd _all_ get a
dynamic IP. And every time one of the computers got its lease renewed,
it was the same dynamic IP per computer.

So I got on the voice phone, and I asked them: "According to this
broadcast address and netmask, I could plug TWO THOUSAND COMPUTERS
into this DSL and they'd '_all_' get their own IP?" And the support
person at Verizon said, "Yup, it kinda looks like that."

This was back when I was asking about configuring my server/router -
I really don't know what to call the box - it's a Linux box that uses
masquerading to serve up the rest of the computers. So I've got seven
computers and an HP plotter on the 10.0.0.* subnet, and Samba makes
it look to the dozers like just another drive. (when I tell them,
"OK, see this button up here? 'map network drive'? OK, click that,
call it S: [for 'server', isn't that clever?], and click OK. Oh,
yeah - your username is 'user' and your password is 'pass'. That's
a Security Thing.", I sorta laugh up my sleeve at the Dozers.)

But I started plugging other computers into the hub, and they were
getting their own dynamic IPs, which never changed, so I fielded a
couple of websites. I was drunk and had money in the bank, so I
registered neodruid.com, neodruid.net, and neodruid.org.

Now, last week the plant manager called me up at 4 AM and said,
"Howcome I can't get on the internet?"

I started investigating. I've got three computers in my office:
Ops, which is the Samba server and network masquerader; Thunderbird,
my main work computer, which I'm at right now; and Daphne, where I
was hosting neodruid.com and neodruid.net, and had the built-in eth0
and a plug-in (PCI?) eth1 plugged into the hub, and was maintaining
four, count'em, four dynamic IPs with full-on websites. (not that
any of them have any content that anybody'd be interested in.)

Well, after a year or so of this, somebody at Verizon seems to have
clued up.

One dynamic IP apparently now means ONE IP.

But all is not lost! There's a free nameserver, http://www.zoneedit.com ,
that has an almost unbelievable feature: they call it "cloaking".
It's used with "Web Forwarding". I have http://www.mustangengr.com
(which is a completely blank page, at the behest of the PHB) on
http://www.abiengr.com:8000 .

So, I was thinking, "Geez. How much of a PITA is it going to be to
learn NAT (network address translation) PLUS find what other ports
are available?"

But then it dawned on me - I'd read http://www.zoneedit.com 's
FAQ, and it turns out that they do "cloaking". I'd been busting
my hump going through the Apache docs trying to figure out how
to make, for example, www.mustangengr.com show up in the browser's
window when the customers are actually at www.abiengr.com:8000 .

Heh. Cloaking does exactly that!

So, I thought I'd do a little experiment: I made a subdir at
http://www.abiengr.com/~sysop and put a little index.html there,
told http://www.zoneedit.com to redirect neodruid.org to that
page, and cloak it.

It worked. :-) :-) :-)

So, this is a rave for www.zoneedit.com, and It's FREE! According
to their FAQ, "Why do you do this for free?" "We think that if you
like our services, that you might be interested in our premium
services, which is, of course, where we will get your money." You
get FIVE names FREE. Over and above that, they want you to pay a
few bucks.

I don't work for them and in no way am I associated with them other
than that I'm one very, very, very happy customer of their free
nameserver service.

Oh, and I'm posting from butthook distress, through masquerading
and rc.firewall that I downloaded somewhere - I'll look it up
when I get done with my stupid video games and eye candy and
reboot to the Proper Operating System, Slackware 10.0 - The
_Real_ Perfect Ten!

Cheers!
Rich
--
Actually, when windoze is functioning, it isn't really all that
bad, for those of us who like eye candy. Interestingly, either
rc.firewall is blocking windows update or I've already been
rooted. Heh. :-)

On Mon, 09 May 2005 21:20:06 GMT, "Rich On Butthook Distress"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

[snip]

Replied to only to clone a dual kill-file.

...Jim Thompson
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In alt.os.linux.slackware, Rich On Butthook Distress dared to utter,
> So I got on the voice phone, and I asked them: "According to this
> broadcast address and netmask, I could plug TWO THOUSAND COMPUTERS
> into this DSL and they'd '_all_' get their own IP?" And the support
> person at Verizon said, "Yup, it kinda looks like that."

I garauntee you it's a violation of their TOS. Used to be a lot of
ISPs did this for the home users, until lots of people started having
multiple computers at home.

> Well, after a year or so of this, somebody at Verizon seems to have
> clued up.
> One dynamic IP apparently now means ONE IP.

It always did, they just weren't enforcing it.

> But all is not lost! There's a free nameserver, http://www.zoneedit.com ,
> that has an almost unbelievable feature: they call it "cloaking".
> It's used with "Web Forwarding". I have http://www.mustangengr.com
> (which is a completely blank page, at the behest of the PHB) on
> http://www.abiengr.com:8000 .

I feel so sorry for you... Why in the world do you need this "cloaking"
stuff just to serve up multiple websites from a single machine?
Something tell me that you, my friend, do not understand VirtualHosts
in Apache.

> But then it dawned on me - I'd read http://www.zoneedit.com 's
> FAQ, and it turns out that they do "cloaking". I'd been busting
> my hump going through the Apache docs trying to figure out how
> to make, for example, www.mustangengr.com show up in the browser's
> window when the customers are actually at www.abiengr.com:8000 .

Never, ever, ever make customers use their web browser to access a
webserver running on ports other than 80 and 443. It's just not good
form, and causes you way too many headaches in the long run. I'm
assuming from what you mentioned about NAT, that you are forwarding
these high-numbered ports to individual web servers on your internal
LAN, while your firewall serves its own webpage.

1 webserver can service hundreds of web sites with trivial
configuration.

> Oh, and I'm posting from butthook distress

Whether you like Microsoft's tools or not, renaming them is often
rather childish. Use of M$ is common, but really just makes you look
like a goober. Usage of "butthook distress" just leaves a bad taste in
my mouth. You can get by with Lookout Express, but I think that's
because it sounds like a train. :-)

- --
It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise,
Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Ecclesiastes 7:5
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On Mon, 09 May 2005 21:20:06 GMT, "Rich On Butthook Distress"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

Apache can host as many domains as you want, no need for cloaking.
Have a look at Apache's VirtualHost feature.

Dan

>Crossposted to:
> sci.electronics.design: because that's where the smart people hang
> out, and I like to pretend that they put up with my BS,
> alt.os.linux.slackware: because I'd like to think that one of these
>days, when I learn all of this stuff, I'll be a Slackor,
> comp.os.linux.networking: because it's about networking.
>
>So, anyways, I had been exploiting verizon's DHCP (dynamic host
>configuration protocol) server, where I'm paying for a dynamic IP.
>Well, when I first started out with them, it turned out that I could
>plug a hub or switch into the DSL modem, and practically all of the
>computers on the whole network into the hub, and they'd _all_ get a
>dynamic IP. And every time one of the computers got its lease renewed,
>it was the same dynamic IP per computer.
>
>So I got on the voice phone, and I asked them: "According to this
>broadcast address and netmask, I could plug TWO THOUSAND COMPUTERS
>into this DSL and they'd '_all_' get their own IP?" And the support
>person at Verizon said, "Yup, it kinda looks like that."
>
>This was back when I was asking about configuring my server/router -
>I really don't know what to call the box - it's a Linux box that uses
>masquerading to serve up the rest of the computers. So I've got seven
>computers and an HP plotter on the 10.0.0.* subnet, and Samba makes
>it look to the dozers like just another drive. (when I tell them,
>"OK, see this button up here? 'map network drive'? OK, click that,
>call it S: [for 'server', isn't that clever?], and click OK. Oh,
>yeah - your username is 'user' and your password is 'pass'. That's
>a Security Thing.", I sorta laugh up my sleeve at the Dozers.)
>
>But I started plugging other computers into the hub, and they were
>getting their own dynamic IPs, which never changed, so I fielded a
>couple of websites. I was drunk and had money in the bank, so I
>registered neodruid.com, neodruid.net, and neodruid.org.
>
>Now, last week the plant manager called me up at 4 AM and said,
>"Howcome I can't get on the internet?"
>
>I started investigating. I've got three computers in my office:
>Ops, which is the Samba server and network masquerader; Thunderbird,
>my main work computer, which I'm at right now; and Daphne, where I
>was hosting neodruid.com and neodruid.net, and had the built-in eth0
>and a plug-in (PCI?) eth1 plugged into the hub, and was maintaining
>four, count'em, four dynamic IPs with full-on websites. (not that
>any of them have any content that anybody'd be interested in.)
>
>Well, after a year or so of this, somebody at Verizon seems to have
>clued up.
>
>One dynamic IP apparently now means ONE IP.
>
>But all is not lost! There's a free nameserver, http://www.zoneedit.com ,
>that has an almost unbelievable feature: they call it "cloaking".
>It's used with "Web Forwarding". I have http://www.mustangengr.com
>(which is a completely blank page, at the behest of the PHB) on
>http://www.abiengr.com:8000 .
>
>So, I was thinking, "Geez. How much of a PITA is it going to be to
>learn NAT (network address translation) PLUS find what other ports
>are available?"
>
>But then it dawned on me - I'd read http://www.zoneedit.com 's
>FAQ, and it turns out that they do "cloaking". I'd been busting
>my hump going through the Apache docs trying to figure out how
>to make, for example, www.mustangengr.com show up in the browser's
>window when the customers are actually at www.abiengr.com:8000 .
>
>Heh. Cloaking does exactly that!
>
>So, I thought I'd do a little experiment: I made a subdir at
>http://www.abiengr.com/~sysop and put a little index.html there,
>told http://www.zoneedit.com to redirect neodruid.org to that
>page, and cloak it.
>
>It worked. :-) :-) :-)
>
>So, this is a rave for www.zoneedit.com, and It's FREE! According
>to their FAQ, "Why do you do this for free?" "We think that if you
>like our services, that you might be interested in our premium
>services, which is, of course, where we will get your money." You
>get FIVE names FREE. Over and above that, they want you to pay a
>few bucks.
>
>I don't work for them and in no way am I associated with them other
>than that I'm one very, very, very happy customer of their free
>nameserver service.
>
>Oh, and I'm posting from butthook distress, through masquerading
>and rc.firewall that I downloaded somewhere - I'll look it up
>when I get done with my stupid video games and eye candy and
>reboot to the Proper Operating System, Slackware 10.0 - The
>_Real_ Perfect Ten!
>
>Cheers!
>Rich

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In alt.os.linux.slackware, Dan dared to utter,
> Apache can host as many domains as you want, no need for cloaking.
> Have a look at Apache's VirtualHost feature.

I thought we had some bad ones in AOLS. Please learn not to top-post,
and trim your quotes. You quoted 96 (!!!) lines of text and responded
to only a very few. Moreover, you just dumped your small contribution
at the top of your reply, so that it looses all context. Really, you
can do better than that.

- --
It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise,
Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Ecclesiastes 7:5
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On Mon, 09 May 2005 14:24:20 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Mon, 09 May 2005 21:20:06 GMT, "Rich On Butthook Distress"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> Replied to only to clone a dual kill-file.

Well, Mom always did say, "You can tell a lot about a man by the
company he keeps."

Thank you profusely for excluding yourself from my life. You're
one of the guys for whom I consider "being hated by the likes of
him" to be High Praise. ;-)
--
Rich Grise, masquerading as The Pig Bladder from Uranus, who
is _still_ waiting for some hot babe to ask me what my favorite
planet is.