Help setting up home network

Hi there

I want to set up a home network, with access to the internet. I want my
network to have several cabled outlets (say up to 8 spread around the
various rooms in my house), and also wireless access.

I am not quite sure exactly what network equipment I need to buy to realise
this.

I will either use an ISP which delivers via cable or one which delivers ADSL
over telephone line. In each case they supply either a "cable modem" or an
"adsl router" (which has one port for my internal network), to which I can
attach my network.

I figure I need a router which I connect to the modem (or adsl router), and
an "access point" for the wireless part of the network. Then (depending on
the number of ports on my router) I need a switch as well. How many wireless
devices does an access point service?

Would something like this be a correct assumption:

wall
|
adsl router or cable modem (supplied by ISP)
|
my router
| \
| access point
switch
| | .. | |
cabled outlets

What sort of cabling should I use: Cat5e, Cat6?

Thanks for any advice or pointers,
Peter

On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:42:25 +0100, Peter Kirk wrote:

> Hi there
>
> I want to set up a home network, with access to the internet. I want my
> network to have several cabled outlets (say up to 8 spread around the
> various rooms in my house), and also wireless access.
>
> I am not quite sure exactly what network equipment I need to buy to
> realise this.
>
> I will either use an ISP which delivers via cable or one which delivers
> ADSL over telephone line. In each case they supply either a "cable modem"
> or an "adsl router" (which has one port for my internal network), to which
> I can attach my network.
>
> I figure I need a router which I connect to the modem (or adsl router),
> and an "access point" for the wireless part of the network. Then
> (depending on the number of ports on my router) I need a switch as well.
> How many wireless devices does an access point service?
>
> Would something like this be a correct assumption:
>
> wall
> |
> adsl router or cable modem (supplied by ISP)
> |
> my router
> | \
> | access point
> switch
> | | .. | |
> cabled outlets
>
> What sort of cabling should I use: Cat5e, Cat6?
>
> Thanks for any advice or pointers,
> Peter


Hi Peter,

You need to decide from the outset which service provider you wish to use
as this will influence what netwoek equiupment you will need.

For ADSL (over copppper telephone wires) you can buy a combined modem,
router and wireless access point. This will completly replace any ISP
supplied equipment. The unit will plug directly into the telephone socket.
These units usually only have 4 ethernet ports, so you will also need an
ethernet hub for the extra ports, and that is it.

For cable delivery, you will need an ethernet router/wirless access point.
this plugs into the ISP's cable modem using an ethernet cable. You will
also need an additional hub as above.

Hope this helps GrahamW

"Peter Kirk" <peter_no_spam_@thisisciberus.dk> wrote in message
news:422dabc1$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi there
>
> I want to set up a home network, with access to the internet. I want my
> network to have several cabled outlets (say up to 8 spread around the
> various rooms in my house), and also wireless access.
>
> I am not quite sure exactly what network equipment I need to buy to
realise
> this.
>
> I will either use an ISP which delivers via cable or one which delivers
ADSL
> over telephone line. In each case they supply either a "cable modem" or an
> "adsl router" (which has one port for my internal network), to which I can
> attach my network.
>
> I figure I need a router which I connect to the modem (or adsl router),
and
> an "access point" for the wireless part of the network. Then (depending on
> the number of ports on my router) I need a switch as well. How many
wireless
> devices does an access point service?
>
> Would something like this be a correct assumption:
>
> wall
> |
> adsl router or cable modem (supplied by ISP)
> |
> my router
> | \
> | access point
> switch
> | | .. | |
> cabled outlets
>
> What sort of cabling should I use: Cat5e, Cat6?
>
> Thanks for any advice or pointers,
> Peter
>

Why go cabled? If you go for a g wireless network you really won't have a
great speed advantage in cabling up the house. Cost wise it's now cheaper to
fit wireless cards than nics and cable

Garf

"GrahamW" <(E-Mail Removed)> skrev i en meddelelse
news(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:42:25 +0100, Peter Kirk wrote:
>
> > wall
> > |
> > adsl router or cable modem (supplied by ISP)
> > |
> > my router
> > | \
> > | access point
> > switch
> > | | .. | |
> > cabled outlets
> >
> > What sort of cabling should I use: Cat5e, Cat6?
> >
>
> You need to decide from the outset which service provider you wish to use
> as this will influence what netwoek equiupment you will need.
>
> For ADSL (over copppper telephone wires) you can buy a combined modem,
> router and wireless access point. This will completly replace any ISP
> supplied equipment. The unit will plug directly into the telephone socket.
> These units usually only have 4 ethernet ports, so you will also need an
> ethernet hub for the extra ports, and that is it.
>
> For cable delivery, you will need an ethernet router/wirless access point.
> this plugs into the ISP's cable modem using an ethernet cable. You will
> also need an additional hub as above.
>
> Hope this helps GrahamW

Hi, thanks for the comments.

My situation is a little more complicated than initially stated, because the
network will be in a house which is only now being constructed - and it is
two families involved, so what ISP is selected is not only up to me. I was
just thinking that for my own network I can plan for any possibility by
obtaining equipment which would be suitable for either cable-modem or
router.

While it is possible I can buy my own ADSL-router which I connect directly
to the telephone line, the ISPs I have spoken with always supply their own
router, and are adamant that it is used - they refuse support if another
router is used (of course you can connect your own router and network to
their router).

Would you recommend a hub or a switch? What I have read suggests that a
switch is a better alternative because it is faster, as it "knows" where
data packets should be sent.

Peter

"Garf" <(E-Mail Removed)> skrev i en meddelelse
news:422e1374$0$2771$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > wall
> > |
> > adsl router or cable modem (supplied by ISP)
> > |
> > my router
> > | \
> > | access point
> > switch
> > | | .. | |
> > cabled outlets
> >
> > What sort of cabling should I use: Cat5e, Cat6?
>
> Why go cabled? If you go for a g wireless network you really won't have a
> great speed advantage in cabling up the house. Cost wise it's now cheaper
to
> fit wireless cards than nics and cable

Actually I did think there was quite a difference in achievable data rates.
Isn't wireless about 54 Mb/s and cable 100 Mb/s? Also, I thought that
cabling could achieve speeds of 1 Gb/s (if maybe TV should ever one day some
over internet wouldn't that be an advantage?). And I already have a couple
of machines with network adapter cards.

But what about wireless routers/access points - do they have a maximum
number of possible "ports"? For instance a normal router might have 6 ports,
but I don't seem to be able to see any such similar specifications for
wireless devices.

Thanks,
Peter

Peter Kirk wrote:
|| Hi, thanks for the comments.
||
|| My situation is a little more complicated than initially stated,
|| because the network will be in a house which is only now being
|| constructed - and it is two families involved, so what ISP is
|| selected is not only up to me. I was just thinking that for my own
|| network I can plan for any possibility by obtaining equipment which
|| would be suitable for either cable-modem or router.
||
|| While it is possible I can buy my own ADSL-router which I connect
|| directly to the telephone line, the ISPs I have spoken with always
|| supply their own router,

Have a look at www.adslguide.org - there are many ISPs that will do a
"bare-wires" install of Broadband - ie one where they don't supply ANY
equipment at all. Others will allow you to specify your router from a list
that they have.


|| and are adamant that it is used

Then don't give them your custom.

||- they
|| refuse support if another router is used (of course you can connect
|| your own router and network to their router).
||
|| Would you recommend a hub or a switch? What I have read suggests
|| that a switch is a better alternative because it is faster, as it
|| "knows" where data packets should be sent.
||
|| Peter



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Peter Kirk wrote:
> "Garf" <(E-Mail Removed)> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:422e1374$0$2771$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>>wall
>>> |
>>>adsl router or cable modem (supplied by ISP)
>>> |
>>>my router
>>> | \
>>> | access point
>>>switch
>>> | | .. | |
>>>cabled outlets
>>>
>>>What sort of cabling should I use: Cat5e, Cat6?
>>
>>Why go cabled? If you go for a g wireless network you really won't have a
>>great speed advantage in cabling up the house. Cost wise it's now cheaper
>
> to
>
>>fit wireless cards than nics and cable
>
>
> Actually I did think there was quite a difference in achievable data rates.
> Isn't wireless about 54 Mb/s and cable 100 Mb/s? Also, I thought that
> cabling could achieve speeds of 1 Gb/s (if maybe TV should ever one day some
> over internet wouldn't that be an advantage?). And I already have a couple
> of machines with network adapter cards.
>
> But what about wireless routers/access points - do they have a maximum
> number of possible "ports"? For instance a normal router might have 6 ports,
> but I don't seem to be able to see any such similar specifications for
> wireless devices.
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
>
A lot of this depends on the amount of money you have available.If you
are looking to the future and insist on cabling being installed then
have it done whilst your house is being completed and use Cat6(I have
posted this before)http://www.broadbandutopia.com/caandcaco.html.
Gigabit switches ,switches preferable to hubs as many can work at full
duplex, and network cards are available.
The manual for my wireless router specifies a max of 32 wireless
connections ,I assume this is mainly to provide control as having even 3
or 4 users transferring large files simultaneously will downgrade the
data throughput to each user.

NBT