help: need to have W98 with two IP Address

I've one PC (windows98SE) with :
- usb port: -> modem -> nternet.
- network card: -> intern lan.

When I configure the IP Adresse, name, etc... of the network card, I
don't see anything with ipconfig (all are 0.0.0.0) because... the modem
on the usb port becomes an IP Address from internet provider.
So, I couldn't running the Internet connection + my intern lan.

That's a big problem and I've these questions:
1° It's possible with (windows98SE) to have one IP Address on usb port
and one other IP Address on the network card, without a second network card?
2° Could running a router software with NAT on windows98SE? if yes,
what're software to do that?
3° Are they other possibilities, other ideas????

Best regards,
jmm

jmm wrote:
> I've one PC (windows98SE) with :
> - usb port: -> modem -> nternet.
> - network card: -> intern lan.
>
> When I configure the IP Adresse, name, etc... of the network card, I
> don't see anything with ipconfig (all are 0.0.0.0) because... the
> modem
> on the usb port becomes an IP Address from internet provider.
> So, I couldn't running the Internet connection + my intern lan.

This is not true. See, IP Address is assigned to the interface not
to the computer. Since you have 2 interfaces, modem and network card
you can assign 2 IP addresses.

What I see is that you are incorrectly assigning the IP Address to the
network card. Go to Properties of LAN and assign in TCP/IP Settings.

Also make sure that you don't assign the IP Address to the modem connection.
Set it to receive automatically that is DHCP.

Then paste here the contents of *ipconfig /all*

> That's a big problem and I've these questions:
> 1° It's possible with (windows98SE) to have one IP Address on usb port
> and one other IP Address on the network card, without a second
> network card?

As said, there are 2 interfaces so 2 IP addresses can be assigned. But the
IP
addresses of your internet connection is usually determined at connection
time
i.e. when modem dials to server , it receives the IP addresses(DHCP).

2° Could running a router software with NAT on
> windows98SE? if yes,
> what're software to do that?
No need.

> 3° Are they other possibilities, other ideas????
Already mentioned.

> Best regards,
> jmm



--
Winners dont do different things, they do things differently.

Madhur Ahuja
India

Homepage : http://madhur.netfirms.com
Email : madhur<underscore>ahuja<at>yahoo<dot>com

Madhur Ahuja wrote:
> jmm wrote:
>
>>I've one PC (windows98SE) with :
>>- usb port: -> modem -> nternet.
>>- network card: -> intern lan.
>>
>>When I configure the IP Adresse, name, etc... of the network card, I
>>don't see anything with ipconfig (all are 0.0.0.0) because... the
>>modem
>>on the usb port becomes an IP Address from internet provider.
>>So, I couldn't running the Internet connection + my intern lan.
>
>
> This is not true. See, IP Address is assigned to the interface not
> to the computer. Since you have 2 interfaces, modem and network card
> you can assign 2 IP addresses.
>
> What I see is that you are incorrectly assigning the IP Address to the
> network card. Go to Properties of LAN and assign in TCP/IP Settings.

Could you please tells me explain more about this config, because I've
assign the TCP/IP adapter for my network card and then...

>
> Also make sure that you don't assign the IP Address to the modem connection.
> Set it to receive automatically that is DHCP.
>
> Then paste here the contents of *ipconfig /all*

....ipconfig /all tells me ethernet 0 ip 0.0.0.0 ???

>
>
>>That's a big problem and I've these questions:
>>1° It's possible with (windows98SE) to have one IP Address on usb port
>>and one other IP Address on the network card, without a second
>>network card?
>
>
> As said, there are 2 interfaces so 2 IP addresses can be assigned. But the
> IP
> addresses of your internet connection is usually determined at connection
> time
> i.e. when modem dials to server , it receives the IP addresses(DHCP).
>
> 2° Could running a router software with NAT on
>
>>windows98SE? if yes,
>>what're software to do that?
>
> No need.

Could I really use NAT on W98?

>
>
>>3° Are they other possibilities, other ideas????
>
> Already mentioned.
>
>
>>Best regards,
>>jmm
>
>
>
>
> --
> Winners dont do different things, they do things differently.
>
> Madhur Ahuja
> India
>
> Homepage : http://madhur.netfirms.com
> Email : madhur<underscore>ahuja<at>yahoo<dot>com
>

Regards,
jmm

Madhur Ahuja wrote:
> jmm wrote:
>
>>I've one PC (windows98SE) with :
>>- usb port: -> modem -> nternet.
>>- network card: -> intern lan.
>>
>>When I configure the IP Adresse, name, etc... of the network card, I
>>don't see anything with ipconfig (all are 0.0.0.0) because... the
>>modem
>>on the usb port becomes an IP Address from internet provider.
>>So, I couldn't running the Internet connection + my intern lan.
>
>
> This is not true. See, IP Address is assigned to the interface not
> to the computer. Since you have 2 interfaces, modem and network card
> you can assign 2 IP addresses.
>
> What I see is that you are incorrectly assigning the IP Address to the
> network card. Go to Properties of LAN and assign in TCP/IP Settings.

Could you please tells me explain more about this config, because I've
assign the TCP/IP adapter for my network card and then...

>
> Also make sure that you don't assign the IP Address to the modem connection.
> Set it to receive automatically that is DHCP.
>
> Then paste here the contents of *ipconfig /all*

....ipconfig /all tells me ethernet 0 ip 0.0.0.0 ???

>
>
>>That's a big problem and I've these questions:
>>1° It's possible with (windows98SE) to have one IP Address on usb port
>>and one other IP Address on the network card, without a second
>>network card?
>
>
> As said, there are 2 interfaces so 2 IP addresses can be assigned. But the
> IP
> addresses of your internet connection is usually determined at connection
> time
> i.e. when modem dials to server , it receives the IP addresses(DHCP).
>
> 2° Could running a router software with NAT on
>
>>windows98SE? if yes,
>>what're software to do that?
>
> No need.

Could I really use NAT on W98?

>
>
>>3° Are they other possibilities, other ideas????
>
> Already mentioned.
>
>
>>Best regards,
>>jmm
>
>
>
>
> --
> Winners dont do different things, they do things differently.
>
> Madhur Ahuja
> India
>
> Homepage : http://madhur.netfirms.com
> Email : madhur<underscore>ahuja<at>yahoo<dot>com
>

Regards,
jmm

Madhur Ahuja wrote:
> jmm wrote:
>
>>I've one PC (windows98SE) with :
>>- usb port: -> modem -> nternet.
>>- network card: -> intern lan.
>>
>>When I configure the IP Adresse, name, etc... of the network card, I
>>don't see anything with ipconfig (all are 0.0.0.0) because... the
>>modem
>>on the usb port becomes an IP Address from internet provider.
>>So, I couldn't running the Internet connection + my intern lan.
>
>
> This is not true. See, IP Address is assigned to the interface not
> to the computer. Since you have 2 interfaces, modem and network card
> you can assign 2 IP addresses.
>
> What I see is that you are incorrectly assigning the IP Address to the
> network card. Go to Properties of LAN and assign in TCP/IP Settings.

Could you please tells me explain more about this config, because I've
assign the TCP/IP adapter for my network card and then...

>
> Also make sure that you don't assign the IP Address to the modem connection.
> Set it to receive automatically that is DHCP.
>
> Then paste here the contents of *ipconfig /all*

....ipconfig /all tells me ethernet 0 ip 0.0.0.0 ???

>
>
>>That's a big problem and I've these questions:
>>1° It's possible with (windows98SE) to have one IP Address on usb port
>>and one other IP Address on the network card, without a second
>>network card?
>
>
> As said, there are 2 interfaces so 2 IP addresses can be assigned. But the
> IP
> addresses of your internet connection is usually determined at connection
> time
> i.e. when modem dials to server , it receives the IP addresses(DHCP).
>
> 2° Could running a router software with NAT on
>
>>windows98SE? if yes,
>>what're software to do that?
>
> No need.

Could I really use NAT on W98?

>
>
>>3° Are they other possibilities, other ideas????
>
> Already mentioned.
>
>
>>Best regards,
>>jmm
>
>
>
>
> --
> Winners dont do different things, they do things differently.
>
> Madhur Ahuja
> India
>
> Homepage : http://madhur.netfirms.com
> Email : madhur<underscore>ahuja<at>yahoo<dot>com
>

Regards,
jmm

jmm wrote:
> Madhur Ahuja wrote:
>> jmm wrote:
>>
>>> I've one PC (windows98SE) with :
>>> - usb port: -> modem -> nternet.
>>> - network card: -> intern lan.
>>>
>>> When I configure the IP Adresse, name, etc... of the network card, I
>>> don't see anything with ipconfig (all are 0.0.0.0) because... the
>>> modem
>>> on the usb port becomes an IP Address from internet provider.
>>> So, I couldn't running the Internet connection + my intern lan.
>>
>>
>> This is not true. See, IP Address is assigned to the interface not
>> to the computer. Since you have 2 interfaces, modem and network card
>> you can assign 2 IP addresses.
>>
>> What I see is that you are incorrectly assigning the IP Address to
>> the network card. Go to Properties of LAN and assign in TCP/IP
>> Settings.
>
> Could you please tells me explain more about this config, because I've
> assign the TCP/IP adapter for my network card and then...

OK, Since you are using win98, go to network control panel, Select the entry
which looks like this TCP/IP->Ethernet Adapter and set the IP address as
192.168.0.1 and mask as 255.255.255.0. Do the same for another machine
but give the IP as 192.168.0.2. Do not enable DNS and do not set any
gateways.

>>
>> Also make sure that you don't assign the IP Address to the modem
>> connection. Set it to receive automatically that is DHCP.
>>
>> Then paste here the contents of *ipconfig /all*
>
> ...ipconfig /all tells me ethernet 0 ip 0.0.0.0 ???

If you have successfully completed the above setup, then it should show the
IP address as 192.168.0.1. Please paste the contents of this command here.
Also run the command *winipcfg* and see that it doesnt show the status as
*cable disconnected*.

>>
>>
>>> That's a big problem and I've these questions:
>>> 1° It's possible with (windows98SE) to have one IP Address on usb
>>> port and one other IP Address on the network card, without a second
>>> network card?
>>
>>
>> As said, there are 2 interfaces so 2 IP addresses can be assigned.
>> But the IP
>> addresses of your internet connection is usually determined at
>> connection time
>> i.e. when modem dials to server , it receives the IP addresses(DHCP).
>>
>> 2° Could running a router software with NAT on
>>
>>> windows98SE? if yes,
>>> what're software to do that?
>>
>> No need.
>
> Could I really use NAT on W98?

Why do you want to use NAT. NAT is basically used for Internet sharing
within a LAN.

>> --
>> Winners dont do different things, they do things differently.
>>
>> Madhur Ahuja
>> India
>>
>> Homepage : http://madhur.netfirms.com
>> Email : madhur<underscore>ahuja<at>yahoo<dot>com
>>

"jmm" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I've one PC (windows98SE) with :
> - usb port: -> modem -> nternet.
> - network card: -> intern lan.
>
> When I configure the IP Adresse, name, etc... of the network card, I don't
> see anything with ipconfig (all are 0.0.0.0) because... the modem on the
> usb port becomes an IP Address from internet provider.
> So, I couldn't running the Internet connection + my intern lan.
>
> That's a big problem and I've these questions:
> 1° It's possible with (windows98SE) to have one IP Address on usb port and
> one other IP Address on the network card, without a second network card?
> 2° Could running a router software with NAT on windows98SE? if yes,
> what're software to do that?
> 3° Are they other possibilities, other ideas????
>
> Best regards,
> jmm

Apart from the answers you already have, is there a reason you need to
manually assign an IP address to the network card?? I used to run 2 x 98SE
machines, one also with modem, and the system assigned the IP addresses in
all cases... The modem was always the ISP assigned IP address, and the
network card would be assigned an IP address IF it needed one - i.e. if
there was no connection to the network card, there would be no IP address
assigned.

Is this what your problem is? Is there anything connected to the LAN? If
not, then that's why the ethernet hasn't got an IP address (and it doesn't
need one).

Martin wrote:
> "jmm" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:41493965$0$708$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>I've one PC (windows98SE) with :
>>- usb port: -> modem -> nternet.
>>- network card: -> intern lan.
>>
>>When I configure the IP Adresse, name, etc... of the network card, I don't
>>see anything with ipconfig (all are 0.0.0.0) because... the modem on the
>>usb port becomes an IP Address from internet provider.
>>So, I couldn't running the Internet connection + my intern lan.
>>
>>That's a big problem and I've these questions:
>>1° It's possible with (windows98SE) to have one IP Address on usb port and
>>one other IP Address on the network card, without a second network card?
>>2° Could running a router software with NAT on windows98SE? if yes,
>>what're software to do that?
>>3° Are they other possibilities, other ideas????
>>
>>Best regards,
>>jmm
>
>
> Apart from the answers you already have, is there a reason you need to
> manually assign an IP address to the network card?? I used to run 2 x 98SE
> machines, one also with modem, and the system assigned the IP addresses in
> all cases... The modem was always the ISP assigned IP address, and the
> network card would be assigned an IP address IF it needed one - i.e. if
> there was no connection to the network card, there would be no IP address
> assigned.

So, my 98SE machine has a connection thru modem (usb port) with Internet
(the ISP assigned IP address) and a network card connected with other
PC's thru a switch, that it!
When I put the command ipconfig /all I see the IP address from the ISP
because he take the TCP/IP drivers and not my other IP address.
I'd like to have two live connection, one to Internet, the second to the
intern LAN and both IP addres in two different subnet :-)

I think that's not running with 98SE!!!? Perhaps do you have any better
idea ?

>
> Is this what your problem is? Is there anything connected to the LAN? If
> not, then that's why the ethernet hasn't got an IP address (and it doesn't
> need one).
>

jmm

Madhur Ahuja wrote:

> jmm wrote:
>
>>Madhur Ahuja wrote:
>>
>>>jmm wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've one PC (windows98SE) with :
>>>>- usb port: -> modem -> nternet.
>>>>- network card: -> intern lan.
>>>>
>>>>When I configure the IP Adresse, name, etc... of the network card, I
>>>>don't see anything with ipconfig (all are 0.0.0.0) because... the
>>>>modem
>>>>on the usb port becomes an IP Address from internet provider.
>>>>So, I couldn't running the Internet connection + my intern lan.
>>>
>>>
>>>This is not true. See, IP Address is assigned to the interface not
>>>to the computer. Since you have 2 interfaces, modem and network card
>>>you can assign 2 IP addresses.
>>>
>>>What I see is that you are incorrectly assigning the IP Address to
>>>the network card. Go to Properties of LAN and assign in TCP/IP
>>>Settings.
>>
>>Could you please tells me explain more about this config, because I've
>>assign the TCP/IP adapter for my network card and then...
>
>
> OK, Since you are using win98, go to network control panel, Select the entry
> which looks like this TCP/IP->Ethernet Adapter and set the IP address as
> 192.168.0.1 and mask as 255.255.255.0. Do the same for another machine
> but give the IP as 192.168.0.2. Do not enable DNS and do not set any
> gateways.

Ok, I'll try again... thanks

>
>
>>>Also make sure that you don't assign the IP Address to the modem
>>>connection. Set it to receive automatically that is DHCP.
>>>
>>>Then paste here the contents of *ipconfig /all*
>>
>>...ipconfig /all tells me ethernet 0 ip 0.0.0.0 ???
>
>
> If you have successfully completed the above setup, then it should show the
> IP address as 192.168.0.1. Please paste the contents of this command here.
> Also run the command *winipcfg* and see that it doesnt show the status as
> *cable disconnected*.

....this too!

>
>
>>>
>>>>That's a big problem and I've these questions:
>>>>1° It's possible with (windows98SE) to have one IP Address on usb
>>>>port and one other IP Address on the network card, without a second
>>>>network card?
>>>
>>>
>>>As said, there are 2 interfaces so 2 IP addresses can be assigned.
>>>But the IP
>>>addresses of your internet connection is usually determined at
>>>connection time
>>>i.e. when modem dials to server , it receives the IP addresses(DHCP).
>>>
>>> 2° Could running a router software with NAT on
>>>
>>>
>>>>windows98SE? if yes,
>>>>what're software to do that?
>>>
>>>No need.
>>
>>Could I really use NAT on W98?
>
>
> Why do you want to use NAT. NAT is basically used for Internet sharing
> within a LAN.

Yeah, because I'll use two differents IP subnet (ISP + LAN) and I don't
want that other guys in Internet know my own IP subnet and address from
my Intern LAN :-)

>
>
>>>--
>>>Winners dont do different things, they do things differently.
>>>
>>>Madhur Ahuja
>>>India
>>>
>>>Homepage : http://madhur.netfirms.com
>>>Email : madhur<underscore>ahuja<at>yahoo<dot>com
>>>

jmm

"jmm" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Martin wrote:
>> "jmm" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:41493965$0$708$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>>>I've one PC (windows98SE) with :
>>>- usb port: -> modem -> nternet.
>>>- network card: -> intern lan.
>>>
>>>When I configure the IP Adresse, name, etc... of the network card, I
>>>don't see anything with ipconfig (all are 0.0.0.0) because... the modem
>>>on the usb port becomes an IP Address from internet provider.
>>>So, I couldn't running the Internet connection + my intern lan.
>>>
>>>That's a big problem and I've these questions:
>>>1° It's possible with (windows98SE) to have one IP Address on usb port
>>>and one other IP Address on the network card, without a second network
>>>card?
>>>2° Could running a router software with NAT on windows98SE? if yes,
>>>what're software to do that?
>>>3° Are they other possibilities, other ideas????
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>jmm
>>
>>
>> Apart from the answers you already have, is there a reason you need to
>> manually assign an IP address to the network card?? I used to run 2 x
>> 98SE machines, one also with modem, and the system assigned the IP
>> addresses in all cases... The modem was always the ISP assigned IP
>> address, and the network card would be assigned an IP address IF it
>> needed one - i.e. if there was no connection to the network card, there
>> would be no IP address assigned.
>
> So, my 98SE machine has a connection thru modem (usb port) with Internet
> (the ISP assigned IP address) and a network card connected with other PC's
> thru a switch, that it!
> When I put the command ipconfig /all I see the IP address from the ISP
> because he take the TCP/IP drivers and not my other IP address.

Does the network card have TCP/IP protocol installed? Check in control
panel....

If you've just added the network card, try selecting Add new hardware and
that should then install what you need to get it all running. If you go to
the TCP/IP protocol of the NETWORK card, you can enter a static IP address
as others have said, but if there is no TCP/IP protocol installed for the
network card then that is your problem.

> I'd like to have two live connection, one to Internet, the second to the
> intern LAN and both IP addres in two different subnet :-)

Yep, no problem, it will do that no worries, but by the sounds of it your
network card isn't fully installed properly - TCP/IP protocol needs to be
installed on that one as well as the internet connection, and the two
configure seperately.

OK - go to Control Panel then open up Network. Scroll down the list of
protocol's and services installed - you should find a TCP/IP entry for the
internet connection AND a second TCP/IP for the ethernet card. If not, then
there is your problem and you will need to either add TCP/IP protocol for
the ethernet card OR as I said above try Add New Hardware and install the
ethernet card again.

If you find the TCP/IP for the ethernet card, highlight it and select
Properties. This will then let you either configure Auto IP or specify IP
address. I find mine worked OK allocating it's own IP address, but you can
allocate if you want - as other said, try 192.168.0.1, subnet mask
255.255.255.0. Then make the other PC 192.168.0.2 with mask 255.255.255.0

I've always found 98SE to load all required software and protocols OK for
networking, but I have had to manually go to Add New Hardware and even
manually select the network card... after that all worked fine. Remember
with 98 to reboot after changing IP details, etc (it should prompt you).

Did any of that make sense??? What you are trying is very possible as I
have had the same config running in the past with 2 x 98SE machines. The
TCP/IP settings for the internet and LAN are seperate - and there should be
the two TCP/IP settings visible in the network settings...

Cheers