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Roy Amin
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      10-07-2005, 08:25 PM
I have a Netgear DG834gtUK router. some areas of the house suffers from
very low or no signal. Is there any easy way to rdctify this situation. 4
wireless laptops connects to router via PCMCIA wireless adapters Some
802.11b and some 802.11g.


Help would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Roy


 
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Justin
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      10-07-2005, 08:36 PM
What is the house made of?


Roy Amin wrote:
> I have a Netgear DG834gtUK router. some areas of the house suffers from
> very low or no signal. Is there any easy way to rdctify this situation. 4
> wireless laptops connects to router via PCMCIA wireless adapters Some
> 802.11b and some 802.11g.
>
>
> Help would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Roy


 
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      10-07-2005, 09:07 PM
In alt.internet.wireless Roy Amin <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> I have a Netgear DG834gtUK router. some areas of the house suffers from
> very low or no signal. Is there any easy way to rdctify this situation. 4
> wireless laptops connects to router via PCMCIA wireless adapters Some
> 802.11b and some 802.11g.


"No signal" is hard to measure or improve. I have no signal from my home
wireless when I am at work. That would be hard to boost enough to make it
work.

"low signal" can be improved quite nicely for free.

http://www.freeantennas.com EZ-12, printed on photo paper for thick stock,
with aluminum foil glued to the sail, provides a substantial boost in
signal. http://www.rahul.net/dold/clarence/EZ12-windsurfer.jpg
http://www.rahul.net/dold/clarence/w...fer-dining.JPG The signal with
the reflector is not only 13dB stronger, it's more stable.

I use a glue stick to glue the foil to the paper before I cut out the
template. When you cut out the "windsurfer" part, leave the tabs sticking
out farther than the drawing shows. I spend more time trying to tape the
little tabs in place than anything else.

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Roy Amin
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      10-09-2005, 11:21 AM

"Justin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> What is the house made of?
>


The router is in my garage (16'x16') which has been converted to my study.

I just realsised that when the conversion was carried out, I chose the best
insulation product for the walls ceiling and floor (Polyurathane foam,
Aluminium foil backing).

Nice and warm but I assume it is not much good for the signal to travel
through!!!

Rohit



>
> Roy Amin wrote:
>> I have a Netgear DG834gtUK router. some areas of the house suffers from
>> very low or no signal. Is there any easy way to rdctify this situation.
>> 4
>> wireless laptops connects to router via PCMCIA wireless adapters Some
>> 802.11b and some 802.11g.
>>
>>
>> Help would be much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Roy

>



 
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John Navas
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      10-09-2005, 02:13 PM
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In <1128716701.81fb0b23f18a7a26e56484434428340c@teran ews> on Fri, 7 Oct 2005
21:25:04 +0100, "Roy Amin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I have a Netgear DG834gtUK router. some areas of the house suffers from
>very low or no signal. Is there any easy way to rdctify this situation. 4
>wireless laptops connects to router via PCMCIA wireless adapters Some
>802.11b and some 802.11g.


Probably the easiest solution is to put a WiFi Repeater (aka Range Expander)
in a part of the house that has signal, which can relay signal to parts of the
house that don't have signal; e.g, Netgear 54 Mbps Wireless Access Point
Model WG602 <http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WG602.php> in Repeater
Mode.

Another option is the Netgear 54 Mbps Wall-Plugged Wireless Range Extender Kit
Model WGXB102 <http://netgear.com/products/details/WGXB102.php>.

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      10-09-2005, 02:57 PM

"John Navas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> [POSTED TO alt.internet.wireless - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <1128716701.81fb0b23f18a7a26e56484434428340c@teran ews> on Fri, 7 Oct
> 2005
> 21:25:04 +0100, "Roy Amin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>I have a Netgear DG834gtUK router. some areas of the house suffers from
>>very low or no signal. Is there any easy way to rdctify this situation.
>>4
>>wireless laptops connects to router via PCMCIA wireless adapters Some
>>802.11b and some 802.11g.

>
> Probably the easiest solution is to put a WiFi Repeater (aka Range
> Expander)
> in a part of the house that has signal, which can relay signal to parts of
> the
> house that don't have signal; e.g, Netgear 54 Mbps Wireless Access Point
> Model WG602 <http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WG602.php> in
> Repeater
> Mode.
>
> Another option is the Netgear 54 Mbps Wall-Plugged Wireless Range Extender
> Kit
> Model WGXB102 <http://netgear.com/products/details/WGXB102.php>.
>
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> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



THANKS JOHN.

Rohit


 
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Jeff Liebermann
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      10-09-2005, 03:49 PM
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 14:13:58 GMT, John Navas
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>In <1128716701.81fb0b23f18a7a26e56484434428340c@teran ews> on Fri, 7 Oct 2005
>21:25:04 +0100, "Roy Amin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>I have a Netgear DG834gtUK router. some areas of the house suffers from
>>very low or no signal. Is there any easy way to rdctify this situation. 4
>>wireless laptops connects to router via PCMCIA wireless adapters Some
>>802.11b and some 802.11g.


>Probably the easiest solution is to put a WiFi Repeater (aka Range Expander)
>in a part of the house that has signal, which can relay signal to parts of the
>house that don't have signal; e.g, Netgear 54 Mbps Wireless Access Point
>Model WG602 <http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WG602.php> in Repeater
>Mode.


I beg to differ. 4 laptops implies a rather spacious house. A
followup indicated that there was foil backed insulation in the walls
turn each room into an RF isolated screen room. The same followup
indicated that the wireless router was in the garage, while the area
lacking coverage was in a possibly disconnected house. Installing a
single repeater might improve the signal in one area, but would
probably not cover all the various 4 or more rooms which I presume are
on the opposite side of the house.

I find it difficult to recommend solutions that sound like "buy this
contraption and all your coverage problems will be solved". In my
never humble opinion, RF repeaters, range extenders, and WDS bridges
are RF polluters of the worst kind. Details on request or you can use
Google to search for my past rants on the subject. Most often, I can
produce better and more reliable by working with the antennas, choice
of equipment, or topology. I save the repeaters for the last resort.

My guess is that the garage is at one end of the house and that the
topology requires that the signal pass through multiple walls.
Possibly, there are windows that will allow the signal to pass. As a
rule of thumb, the signal will go through one wall without much
difficulty. Two walls will cause problems. Three or more walls are a
waste of time. The construction material is also important. Concrete
and foil backed insulation tend to be fatal. As Clarence Dold
suggested, I would first experiment with improving the signal in the
direction of the house using reflectors and possibly replacement
antennas. Unfortunately, the DG834GT only has one antenna, so you
cannot replace one antenna with a directional antenna pointed at the
house, while retaining the original antenna for garage coverage.

>Another option is the Netgear 54 Mbps Wall-Plugged Wireless Range Extender Kit
>Model WGXB102 <http://netgear.com/products/details/WGXB102.php>.


Before you resort to a repeater, methinks it best to add a 2nd access
point to the system. Under ideal circumstances, that would require a
CAT5 cable from the garage to the house connected between a LAN port
on the DG834gt to the added access point. The access point need not
be any particular brand or model. Unlike repeaters, range extenders,
and WDS bridges, adding access points do not have "compatibility"
problems with different chipsets and brands. The access point can
also be a wireless router converted into an access point by disabling
the router section. Instructions on request.

The exact location or number of added access points is largely
dependent on the layout of the house. 4 laptops implies a two story
house, which may be difficult to cover with a single access point.
However, this added access point will be closer to the client radios
and therefore will probably have a more reliable connection.

If a CAT5 cable between the garage and the house is impossible, then
power line networking can be used. See:
http://www.HomePNA.com
Instead of using a power line repeater as suggested above, I suggest
you install an ethernet to power line bridge in the garage, and a
power line wireless access point in the house. You could also just
install power line networking directly to the client computers.
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These power line bridges essentially replace the CAT5 cable to the
house. You can plug the computers directly into the bridge, or
install a wireless access point to connect via wireless.

The problem with power line networking is that it is somewhat slow,
doesn't work through the usual two phases found in home AC wiring, and
may not be available in UK 220V 50Hz devices. It is also susceptible
to local interference from everyone on the single transformer. I
recently fixed a HomePNA system that would die whenever a well pump
motor was running. The fix was easy enough (ferrite clamp on filter)
but finding the cause was a problem. I would run the CAT5 if
possible.

Good luck.
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      10-09-2005, 04:41 PM
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> As a rule of thumb, the signal will go through one wall without much
> difficulty. Two walls will cause problems. Three or more walls are a
> waste of time.


Not always.

I have a Netgear DG834G sited at the front of the house, on an upstairs
2nd floor. I am in a 'heavy duty' wooden garden building at the back of
the house, some 15 foot away from the rear house wall, and at ground
level.

In between me - line of sight - and the router, there are 3 brick walls
(the bricks are known as 'clinker' as they contain metal particles I
believe) and 1 thick wooden 'wall', the wall to the garden building.

I have a Draytek USB wireless adapter plugged into the front of the
PC... signal low, but a 'respectable' 12.0 Mbps

Of course, bear in mind that the actual thickness of the wall will
increase with angle, so a 14 inch wall will have considerably more
'cement' to pass through if the angle is greater.

This house is 'solid', in that it was originally built to a very high
specification back in the late 1950's, and doesn't have the timber
frames found in many modern homes in the UK (England) these days.

Quite possibly an exception rather than a rule I would imagine, but it
works, and it works well enough to surf the net, email et al. In fact,
this reply was sent using said connection.
 
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      10-09-2005, 04:45 PM
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In <(E-Mail Removed)> on Sun, 09 Oct 2005 08:49:24
-0700, Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>>Another option is the Netgear 54 Mbps Wall-Plugged Wireless Range Extender Kit
>>Model WGXB102 <http://netgear.com/products/details/WGXB102.php>.

>
>Before you resort to a repeater, methinks it best to add a 2nd access
>point to the system.


That's not a repeater. Regardless, in my own not so humble opinion, a 2nd
access point is no better than a repeater, and arguably worse.

>If a CAT5 cable between the garage and the house is impossible, then
>power line networking can be used. See:
> http://www.HomePNA.com
>Instead of using a power line repeater as suggested above, I suggest
>you install an ethernet to power line bridge in the garage, and a
>power line wireless access point in the house. You could also just
>install power line networking directly to the client computers.


That's essentially what the WGXB102 is, an Ethernet Bridge and a Range
Extender (access point), connected by power line networking.

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      10-09-2005, 05:43 PM
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 16:45:59 GMT, John Navas
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>In <(E-Mail Removed)> on Sun, 09 Oct 2005 08:49:24
>-0700, Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>>Another option is the Netgear 54 Mbps Wall-Plugged Wireless Range Extender Kit
>>>Model WGXB102 <http://netgear.com/products/details/WGXB102.php>.

>>
>>Before you resort to a repeater, methinks it best to add a 2nd access
>>point to the system.


>That's not a repeater. Regardless, in my own not so humble opinion, a 2nd
>access point is no better than a repeater, and arguably worse.


If the 2nd access point is on a different channel (1, 6, and 11),
there's no interference with the main wireless router. Why is a 2nd
access point worse than a repeater? Store and forward repeaters
retransmit everything heard on a given SSID thus doubling the number
of packets floating in the air. Since only one radio can transmit at
a time, this cuts the maximum thruput in half (or worse). An access
point on the same channel as the main router will also compete for air
time but is more selective about when it transmits as it only belches
traffic to the connected client radios, not regurgitating every
packet.

>>If a CAT5 cable between the garage and the house is impossible, then
>>power line networking can be used. See:
>> http://www.HomePNA.com
>>Instead of using a power line repeater as suggested above, I suggest
>>you install an ethernet to power line bridge in the garage, and a
>>power line wireless access point in the house. You could also just
>>install power line networking directly to the client computers.


>That's essentially what the WGXB102 is, an Ethernet Bridge and a Range
>Extender (access point), connected by power line networking.


Oops. You're correct. It does plug into the wireless router at one
end doing the same thing as what I suggested. I thought it was a
repeater.

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