HOW HACKPROOF IS WEP ??

MAYAR wrote:
<nuttin>

Not very, just a little.

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:45:53 +0800, "MAYAR" <*email_address_deleted*> wrote just
a simple question in the Subject line.

Mayar,

WEP hasn't been secure for years, and can be hacked very quickly.

Here's the tool:
http://www.cr0.net:8040/code/network/aircrack/

Here's the discussion:
http://www.isaac.cs.berkeley.edu/isaac/wep-faq.html
http://www.cs.umd.edu/~waa/wireless.html
http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials...le.php/1368661

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

Someone once remarked that a lock only stops honest people. If you have a
large network and think people are actively trying to hack it that would be
one thing. If you have a single open router in a large apartment building
people will jump on. If you use WEP in that situation, it will most likely
be "secure". Security is a relative thing.

"Chuck" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:45:53 +0800, "MAYAR" <*email_address_deleted*>
> wrote just
> a simple question in the Subject line.
>
> Mayar,
>
> WEP hasn't been secure for years, and can be hacked very quickly.
>
> Here's the tool:
> http://www.cr0.net:8040/code/network/aircrack/
>
> Here's the discussion:
> http://www.isaac.cs.berkeley.edu/isaac/wep-faq.html
> http://www.cs.umd.edu/~waa/wireless.html
> http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials...le.php/1368661
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck
> Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:30:24 -0500, "Moshup Trail" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>Someone once remarked that a lock only stops honest people. If you have a
>large network and think people are actively trying to hack it that would be
>one thing. If you have a single open router in a large apartment building
>people will jump on. If you use WEP in that situation, it will most likely
>be "secure". Security is a relative thing.

A lock, even a weak lock, is good protection for physical premises, because the
burglars with skills to pick a lock (or psychopathic nature to smash the door
down) are not necessarily everywhere. You're betting that those folks are not
in your neighborhood.

These guys were caught because they were stupid.
<http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2003/11/22/264890.html>
<http://www.freep.com/news/locoak/nhack11_20031111.htm>

The non-stupid ones are still out there, and they're everywhere. They can sit
in a van somewhere in a parking lot, and "burgle" dozens of networks in comfort,
even the one in your exemplary large apartment building. How many private WLAN
operators will be able to involve the FBI (assuming that they ever realise when
they're being burgled)?

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

On 30 Dec 2004 11:36:04 -0600, in alt.internet.wireless , Chuck
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>A lock, even a weak lock, is good protection for physical premises, because the
>burglars with skills to pick a lock (or psychopathic nature to smash the door
>down) are not necessarily everywhere. You're betting that those folks are not
>in your neighborhood.

Thats the point tho - why would anyone bother to hack your 512k dsl line,
when they could park down the road outside Walmart and hack their corporate
34MB line with as little effort? To run with your burglar analogy, why
take the risk of getting nicked for pinching the cash from a little old
lady's bedroom, when for hte same risk you could nick ten mil in bearer
bonds?

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Mark McIntyre
CLC FAQ <http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html>
CLC readme: <http://www.ungerhu.com/jxh/clc.welcome.txt>

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Taking a moment's reflection, Mark McIntyre mused:
|
| Thats the point tho - why would anyone bother to hack your 512k dsl line,
| when they could park down the road outside Walmart and hack their
| corporate 34MB line with as little effort? To run with your burglar
| analogy, why take the risk of getting nicked for pinching the cash from a
| little old lady's bedroom, when for hte same risk you could nick ten mil
| in bearer bonds?

Some people do it just to do it.

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 05:35:51 GMT, in alt.internet.wireless , "mhicaoidh"
<®êmõvé_mhic_aoidh@hotÑîXmailŠPäM.com> wrote:

>Taking a moment's reflection, Mark McIntyre mused:
>|
>| Thats the point tho - why would anyone bother to hack your 512k dsl line,
>
> Some people do it just to do it.

In which case, probably nothing is going to stop them. They'd probably get
turned on by the idea of cracking your security.

Seriously tho, the chances of someone parking outside the average Joe's
house on the offchance that he has an insecure wirless network are pretty
low.
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:53:10 +0000, Mark McIntyre <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>On 30 Dec 2004 11:36:04 -0600, in alt.internet.wireless , Chuck
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>A lock, even a weak lock, is good protection for physical premises, because the
>>burglars with skills to pick a lock (or psychopathic nature to smash the door
>>down) are not necessarily everywhere. You're betting that those folks are not
>>in your neighborhood.
>
>Thats the point tho - why would anyone bother to hack your 512k dsl line,
>when they could park down the road outside Walmart and hack their corporate
>34MB line with as little effort? To run with your burglar analogy, why
>take the risk of getting nicked for pinching the cash from a little old
>lady's bedroom, when for hte same risk you could nick ten mil in bearer
>bonds?

That's a good point. Maybe some of the bad guys will try to use Walmart.

OTOH, Walmart will probably have enough muscle to get the FBI after the bad
guys, like Lowe's did. If you get hijacked, how easy will it be for YOU to
convince the FBI to go after your hijacker?

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Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:49:16 +0000, Mark McIntyre <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 05:35:51 GMT, in alt.internet.wireless , "mhicaoidh"
><®êmõvé_mhic_aoidh@hotÑîXmailŠPäM.com> wrote:
>
>>Taking a moment's reflection, Mark McIntyre mused:
>>|
>>| Thats the point tho - why would anyone bother to hack your 512k dsl line,
>>
>> Some people do it just to do it.
>
>In which case, probably nothing is going to stop them. They'd probably get
>turned on by the idea of cracking your security.
>
>Seriously tho, the chances of someone parking outside the average Joe's
>house on the offchance that he has an insecure wirless network are pretty
>low.

Seriously, they don't have to park outside your house. With the right antenna,
they could be a couple miles away.

Walter Nowakowski got caught because he was stupid. His setup worked so well
that he was driving AND looking at what he was downloading at the same time AND
enjoying what he was downloading - and drove down a one-way street, the wrong
way.

I don't worry about guys like Walter - I worry about the ones smarter than he
is. And I'd bet most of them are hella smarter.

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Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.