GRID computing

dunno if anyone is interested about this but is definately something to
watch its gonna be big in the future me thinks

i am writing an essay on it at the moment and its pretty darn hard

anyhow if anyone fancies a gander at how things r gonna be done in industry
in the future then have a read

http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...wto/index.html

http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...ry/gr-fly.html

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp3613.pdf

interesting read.

Christo wrote:
> dunno if anyone is interested about this but is definately something to
> watch its gonna be big in the future me thinks
>
> i am writing an essay on it at the moment and its pretty darn hard
>
> anyhow if anyone fancies a gander at how things r gonna be done in industry
> in the future then have a read
>
> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...wto/index.html
>
> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...ry/gr-fly.html
>
> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp3613.pdf
>
> interesting read.
>
>
Why Future?

http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
http://team-discovery.net/
http://folding.stanford.edu/
http://climateprediction.net/my_cp_net.php

"NBT" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Christo wrote:
> > dunno if anyone is interested about this but is definately something
> > to watch its gonna be big in the future me thinks
[snip]
> > http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...wto/index.html
> > http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...ry/gr-fly.html
> > http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp3613.pdf
>
> Why Future?
>
> http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
> http://team-discovery.net/
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
> http://climateprediction.net/my_cp_net.php

These are similar in some respects to what grid computing aims to offer (and
I think no essay on grid computing would be complete if it ignored their
existence), but they are all custom distributed processing solutions. The
most fundamental difference - as I see it - is that grid computing promises
a general solution, which is possible only through standardisation. That
standardisation is yet to come.

Alex

Alex Fraser wrote:
> "NBT" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
>>Christo wrote:
>>
>>>dunno if anyone is interested about this but is definately something
>>>to watch its gonna be big in the future me thinks
>
> [snip]
>
>>>http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...wto/index.html
>>>http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...ry/gr-fly.html
>>>http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp3613.pdf
>>
>>Why Future?
>>
>>http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
>>http://team-discovery.net/
>>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>>http://climateprediction.net/my_cp_net.php
>
>
> These are similar in some respects to what grid computing aims to offer (and
> I think no essay on grid computing would be complete if it ignored their
> existence), but they are all custom distributed processing solutions. The
> most fundamental difference - as I see it - is that grid computing promises
> a general solution, which is possible only through standardisation. That
> standardisation is yet to come.
>
> Alex
>
>
Anarchists could have a field day,massive zombie networks.I liked this
statement in the GSI security
"A related security feature is communication integrity. *Integrity means
that an eavesdropper may be able to read communication between two
parties* but is not able to modify the communication in any way. The GSI
provides communication integrity by default."

"Christo" <lessthanchris666no (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> dunno if anyone is interested about this but is definately something to
> watch its gonna be big in the future me thinks
>
> i am writing an essay on it at the moment and its pretty darn hard
>
> anyhow if anyone fancies a gander at how things r gonna be done in
> industry in the future then have a read
>
> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...wto/index.html
>
> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...ry/gr-fly.html
>
> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp3613.pdf
>
> interesting read.
>

can any of you guys let me know if this statement is true, its quite long
but it sounds a bit..well just read it

"We may see local grids, where communities have come together to combine
their computing resources into one virtual-computer, this grid may then be
connected to the Internet, the grid would appear to be one machine to other
users on the Internet which would mean only one IP address need be assigned
to it, this sounds to be something similar to NAT on routers, where many
computers on a network with Internet access appear to have one IP address.
If this idea takes off in a big way and users start logging onto the net
through grids we could see an end to restrictions placed upon us by IP
addressing and the need to create more and more IP addresses. Think of an
ISP for instance, if a user on an ISP was plugging into a grid owned by the
ISP and that grid allowed the user to access the Internet though the grid,
this would mean thousands upon thousands of users could all be online using
the same Internet IP address, they would still need to be assigned a local
IP address that would be local to the ISP's grid, however this would mean
that there would be a lot less pressure on IP"



i dunno if what it is saying is correct can anyone let me know if what it is
saying is possible at all using grid compting?



its something a friend of mine has written in his assignment and was hoping
to expand upon it if it is true, it could mean a very propserous future for
grid computing?



Thanks (in advance) Christo

Christo wrote:
> "Christo" <lessthanchris666no (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:d46hla$4kd$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>dunno if anyone is interested about this but is definately something to
>>watch its gonna be big in the future me thinks
>>
>>i am writing an essay on it at the moment and its pretty darn hard
>>
>>anyhow if anyone fancies a gander at how things r gonna be done in
>>industry in the future then have a read
>>
>>http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...wto/index.html
>>
>>http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...ry/gr-fly.html
>>
>>http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp3613.pdf
>>
>>interesting read.
>>
>
>
> can any of you guys let me know if this statement is true, its quite long
> but it sounds a bit..well just read it
>
> "We may see local grids, where communities have come together to combine
> their computing resources into one virtual-computer, this grid may then be
> connected to the Internet, the grid would appear to be one machine to other
> users on the Internet which would mean only one IP address need be assigned
> to it, this sounds to be something similar to NAT on routers, where many
> computers on a network with Internet access appear to have one IP address.
> If this idea takes off in a big way and users start logging onto the net
> through grids we could see an end to restrictions placed upon us by IP
> addressing and the need to create more and more IP addresses. Think of an
> ISP for instance, if a user on an ISP was plugging into a grid owned by the
> ISP and that grid allowed the user to access the Internet though the grid,
> this would mean thousands upon thousands of users could all be online using
> the same Internet IP address, they would still need to be assigned a local
> IP address that would be local to the ISP's grid, however this would mean
> that there would be a lot less pressure on IP"
>
>
>
> i dunno if what it is saying is correct can anyone let me know if what it is
> saying is possible at all using grid compting?
>
>
>
> its something a friend of mine has written in his assignment and was hoping
> to expand upon it if it is true, it could mean a very propserous future for
> grid computing?
>
>
>
> Thanks (in advance) Christo
>
>
As a fairly simple person I found it very confusing.

1.If I wish to access the Internet why would I join a grid ,extra route
involved and probably delays due to authentication etc...

2.Thought the idea in part was to use unallocated resources for a
variety of tasks not web browsing.

3.ISP owning a grid,didn't think that was the idea and the grid could be
on multiple ISP's.

4.You haven't made it all clear how the address allocation would fit in
with multiple ISP's or how a grid on multiple ISP's would allocate an
address to a single user.

5.What type of address schene would you implement?

etc...

"NBT" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Christo wrote:
>> "Christo" <lessthanchris666no (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:d46hla$4kd$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>>>dunno if anyone is interested about this but is definately something to
>>>watch its gonna be big in the future me thinks
>>>
>>>i am writing an essay on it at the moment and its pretty darn hard
>>>
>>>anyhow if anyone fancies a gander at how things r gonna be done in
>>>industry in the future then have a read
>>>
>>>http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...wto/index.html
>>>
>>>http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...ry/gr-fly.html
>>>
>>>http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp3613.pdf
>>>
>>>interesting read.
>>>
>>
>>
>> can any of you guys let me know if this statement is true, its quite long
>> but it sounds a bit..well just read it
>>
>> "We may see local grids, where communities have come together to combine
>> their computing resources into one virtual-computer, this grid may then
>> be connected to the Internet, the grid would appear to be one machine to
>> other users on the Internet which would mean only one IP address need be
>> assigned to it, this sounds to be something similar to NAT on routers,
>> where many computers on a network with Internet access appear to have one
>> IP address. If this idea takes off in a big way and users start logging
>> onto the net through grids we could see an end to restrictions placed
>> upon us by IP addressing and the need to create more and more IP
>> addresses. Think of an ISP for instance, if a user on an ISP was plugging
>> into a grid owned by the ISP and that grid allowed the user to access the
>> Internet though the grid, this would mean thousands upon thousands of
>> users could all be online using the same Internet IP address, they would
>> still need to be assigned a local IP address that would be local to the
>> ISP's grid, however this would mean that there would be a lot less
>> pressure on IP"
>>
>>
>>
>> i dunno if what it is saying is correct can anyone let me know if what it
>> is saying is possible at all using grid compting?
>>
>>
>>
>> its something a friend of mine has written in his assignment and was
>> hoping to expand upon it if it is true, it could mean a very propserous
>> future for grid computing?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks (in advance) Christo
>>
>>
> As a fairly simple person I found it very confusing.
>
> 1.If I wish to access the Internet why would I join a grid ,extra route
> involved and probably delays due to authentication etc...
>
> 2.Thought the idea in part was to use unallocated resources for a variety
> of tasks not web browsing.
>
> 3.ISP owning a grid,didn't think that was the idea and the grid could be
> on multiple ISP's.
>
> 4.You haven't made it all clear how the address allocation would fit in
> with multiple ISP's or how a grid on multiple ISP's would allocate an
> address to a single user.
>
> 5.What type of address schene would you implement?
>
> etc...

the way i see it is that the internet, is a resource

and sharing the internet is sharing a resource

as for the addressing i havent a clue about that I havent thought about it
that much, it was just when i was given the paper written by one of my
fellow students i saw it and thought about it and it stood out and i asked
him about it and he told me that sharing the internet connection would be
like sharing a resource.

after thinking about it a bit more i think that it is straying away from the
topic of grid computing, and isnt really feasable on that platform

anyhow on the topic of grid

I am thinking of ways in which grid computing might affect large networks
and am having trouble coming up with ideas on how it might. the main one i
have is that it will change the way in which resources are shared accross a
network but can anyone think of any other changes that it might have one
existing large networks?

cheers again

Christo

Christo wrote:
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>>>>
>>>>http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...wto/index.html
>>>>
>>>>http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...ry/gr-fly.html
>>>>
>>>>http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp3613.pdf
>>>>
>>>>interesting read.
>>>>
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> the way i see it is that the internet, is a resource
>
> and sharing the internet is sharing a resource
>
8><............................................
> Christo
>
>
We are already sharing the Internet in that it enables us to access a
variety of other resources(databases,Media,etc...)some of which are
private and some public.The accuracy of the information in these
resources is open to debate.
Whilst I am prepared for one of my PC's to be used for "Distributed
Computing" in conjunction with "Academia" I cannot imagine a Financial
Institution or Government Agency entrusting me to store or compute their
Data for them.At first glance this appears to be a "Tool" for the "big
boys" to utilise within their own "Environment" and to their benefit.The
present Bandwidth costs and constraints in the UK would disenchant a lot
of very small businesses from considering it even if they could find
users willing to set up a grid with them.

NBT

Christo wrote:

> dunno if anyone is interested about this but is definately something to
> watch its gonna be big in the future me thinks
>
> i am writing an essay on it at the moment and its pretty darn hard
>
> anyhow if anyone fancies a gander at how things r gonna be done in industry
> in the future then have a read
>
> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...wto/index.html
>
> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...ry/gr-fly.html
>
> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp3613.pdf
>
> interesting read.
>
>
SUN has been doing it for ages - note their slogan, The network is the
computer.
Check this one out, it's got some interesting case studies.
http://www.sun.com/software/n1gridsystem/

--
Chris