Funding a rack in the local exchange...

Well, we've got a date for broadband... and it's *never*. The local exchange
has 28 preregistrations, and most of the houses out here are beyond line of
sight.

I seem to remember there being a scheme where you could stump up a few ens
of thousands up front and get BT to install the kit anyway. But I can't
find a reference to the scheme.

Anyone out there recognise this ?

jd
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John Daragon <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Well, we've got a date for broadband... and it's *never*. The local exchange
> has 28 preregistrations, and most of the houses out here are beyond line of
> sight.
>
> I seem to remember there being a scheme where you could stump up a few ens
> of thousands up front and get BT to install the kit anyway. But I can't
> find a reference to the scheme.
>
> Anyone out there recognise this ?

I was looking through the BT price list a few days ago, and the figure of
45000 pounds comes to mind.

It's in the "broadband" section, but I don't recall where.

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"Ian Stirling" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:bhapnk$6gl$1$(E-Mail Removed)...
> John Daragon <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > Well, we've got a date for broadband... and it's *never*. The local
exchange
> > has 28 preregistrations, and most of the houses out here are beyond line
of
> > sight.
> >
> > I seem to remember there being a scheme where you could stump up a few
ens
> > of thousands up front and get BT to install the kit anyway. But I can't
> > find a reference to the scheme.
> >
> > Anyone out there recognise this ?
>
> I was looking through the BT price list a few days ago, and the figure of
> 45000 pounds comes to mind.
>
> It's in the "broadband" section, but I don't recall where.
>

Why not consider sharing a leased line ... e.g.
http://www.newswireless.net/articles/030120-locust.html

"John Daragon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:bhcreg$ull$(E-Mail Removed)
> elyob wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ian Stirling" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:bhapnk$6gl$1$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> John Daragon <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>> Well, we've got a date for broadband... and it's *never*. The
>>>> local exchange has 28 preregistrations, and most of the houses
out
>>>> here are beyond line
>> of
>>>> sight.
>>>>
>>>> I seem to remember there being a scheme where you could stump up
a
>>>> few ens of thousands up front and get BT to install the kit
>>>> anyway. But I can't find a reference to the scheme.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone out there recognise this ?
>>>
>>> I was looking through the BT price list a few days ago, and the
>>> figure of 45000 pounds comes to mind.
>>>
>>> It's in the "broadband" section, but I don't recall where.
>>>
>>
>> Why not consider sharing a leased line ... e.g.
>> http://www.newswireless.net/articles/030120-locust.html
>
> We're surrounded by woodland and hills. Line of sight is a *big*
> issue out here.
>
> jd

Bear with as I'm a little confused (easily done I know) _BUT_ DSL is
not restricted to line of sight, so what is the problem??

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elyob wrote:

>
> "Ian Stirling" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:bhapnk$6gl$1$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> John Daragon <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> > Well, we've got a date for broadband... and it's *never*. The local
> exchange
>> > has 28 preregistrations, and most of the houses out here are beyond
>> > line
> of
>> > sight.
>> >
>> > I seem to remember there being a scheme where you could stump up a few
> ens
>> > of thousands up front and get BT to install the kit anyway. But I can't
>> > find a reference to the scheme.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there recognise this ?
>>
>> I was looking through the BT price list a few days ago, and the figure of
>> 45000 pounds comes to mind.
>>
>> It's in the "broadband" section, but I don't recall where.
>>
>
> Why not consider sharing a leased line ... e.g.
> http://www.newswireless.net/articles/030120-locust.html

We're surrounded by woodland and hills. Line of sight is a *big* issue out
here.

jd
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:50:07 +0100, John Daragon <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>Well, we've got a date for broadband... and it's *never*. The local exchange
>has 28 preregistrations, and most of the houses out here are beyond line of
>sight.

So you have considered sharing a leased line via wireless? Wireless,
with the right aerial etc. can do 600m radius, it seems, perhaps more.
But you need line of sight. Point to point can go further. Leased
line with 28 would be about 50pm or less if you opt for a smaller
leased line.

>I seem to remember there being a scheme where you could stump up a few ens
>of thousands up front and get BT to install the kit anyway. But I can't
>find a reference to the scheme.

It's called Exchange Activate AFAIR, and it is 45k+VAT for the 1st 30
users, 30k+VAT for subsequent blocks of 30. This gets you 3 year line
rental too. However, the scheme is aimed at ISP since it is just the
line, no email boxes, no newgroups, no internet connection (AFAIK),
just BT's line rental.

Shared leased lines work out cheaper (why is that not a surprise :-/).


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Kraftee wrote:

> "John Daragon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:bhcreg$ull$(E-Mail Removed)
>> elyob wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Ian Stirling" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:bhapnk$6gl$1$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> John Daragon <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>> Well, we've got a date for broadband... and it's *never*. The
>>>>> local exchange has 28 preregistrations, and most of the houses
> out
>>>>> here are beyond line
>>> of
>>>>> sight.
>>>>>
>>>>> I seem to remember there being a scheme where you could stump up
> a
>>>>> few ens of thousands up front and get BT to install the kit
>>>>> anyway. But I can't find a reference to the scheme.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone out there recognise this ?
>>>>
>>>> I was looking through the BT price list a few days ago, and the
>>>> figure of 45000 pounds comes to mind.
>>>>
>>>> It's in the "broadband" section, but I don't recall where.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why not consider sharing a leased line ... e.g.
>>> http://www.newswireless.net/articles/030120-locust.html
>>
>> We're surrounded by woodland and hills. Line of sight is a *big*
>> issue out here.
>>
>> jd
>
> Bear with as I'm a little confused (easily done I know) _BUT_ DSL is
> not restricted to line of sight, so what is the problem??
>

Because the previous writer was suggesting a single leased line shared over
802.11b (microwave) radio. Which doesn't go around corners.

jd
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Malcolm Reeves wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:50:07 +0100, John Daragon <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>>Well, we've got a date for broadband... and it's *never*. The local
>>exchange has 28 preregistrations, and most of the houses out here are
>>beyond line of sight.
>
> So you have considered sharing a leased line via wireless? Wireless,
> with the right aerial etc. can do 600m radius, it seems, perhaps more.
> But you need line of sight. Point to point can go further. Leased
> line with 28 would be about 50pm or less if you opt for a smaller
> leased line.

Line of sight is difficult over this terrain, as is population density.
Think hills and trees and sheep. People ? We ain't got no steenking
people... We'd have to build a net of directional antennae even if we
*could* see each other. Which we can't.

>>I seem to remember there being a scheme where you could stump up a few ens
>>of thousands up front and get BT to install the kit anyway. But I can't
>>find a reference to the scheme.
>
> It's called Exchange Activate AFAIR, and it is 45k+VAT for the 1st 30
> users, 30k+VAT for subsequent blocks of 30. This gets you 3 year line
> rental too. However, the scheme is aimed at ISP since it is just the
> line, no email boxes, no newgroups, no internet connection (AFAIK),
> just BT's line rental.
>
> Shared leased lines work out cheaper (why is that not a surprise :-/).

Yep. I know. But you have to remember that we're the last guys on this
particular hill with mains water. The guy two houses up doesn't even have
mains electricity. But we both have 'phone lines. Hey, I'm even close
enough to the switch to get ISDN !

jd
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(mobile) 07836 576127 (fax) 01460 234069

John Daragon wrote:

> Well, we've got a date for broadband... and it's *never*. The local exchange
> has 28 preregistrations, and most of the houses out here are beyond line of
> sight.
>
> I seem to remember there being a scheme where you could stump up a few ens
> of thousands up front and get BT to install the kit anyway. But I can't
> find a reference to the scheme.
>
> Anyone out there recognise this ?
>


Much better to get in touch with a WiFi company - there is a scheme up
in Cornwall already.

Contact (E-Mail Removed) and see whether they can do it.

25 users IF you were prepared to pay maybe 35 squids a month would get
you 2Mbps symmetric contended er - 25:1?

:-)


> jd
>

John Daragon wrote:

> elyob wrote:
>
>
>>"Ian Stirling" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>news:bhapnk$6gl$1$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>>>John Daragon <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Well, we've got a date for broadband... and it's *never*. The local
>>>>
>>exchange
>>
>>>>has 28 preregistrations, and most of the houses out here are beyond
>>>>line
>>>>
>>of
>>
>>>>sight.
>>>>
>>>>I seem to remember there being a scheme where you could stump up a few
>>>>
>>ens
>>
>>>>of thousands up front and get BT to install the kit anyway. But I can't
>>>>find a reference to the scheme.
>>>>
>>>>Anyone out there recognise this ?
>>>>
>>>I was looking through the BT price list a few days ago, and the figure of
>>>45000 pounds comes to mind.
>>>
>>>It's in the "broadband" section, but I don't recall where.
>>>
>>>
>>Why not consider sharing a leased line ... e.g.
>>http://www.newswireless.net/articles/030120-locust.html
>>
>
> We're surrounded by woodland and hills. Line of sight is a *big* issue out
> here.
>


Mmm. But can you all see EACH OTHER. If so its doable. Bring a
megastream into the village and then use a wifi broadcast.

Any hard-to-reach places if there are 5-10 houses there can use BT
copper to link to the main hub - XDSL will net you 1-2Mbps over that -
and another broadcast node takes care of the houses.

Its not cheap, but cheaper than paying BT prces and getting shoddy ADSL
service.

At your density, WiFi will be MUCH faster.



> jd
>