Fujitsu offers UK fast rural broadband network

Mark wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:35:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Mark wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:06:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would rather like the idea of half a dozen people clubbing together,
>>>> ad sticking in their own fibres to the their hoises, and renting a bit
>>>> of rack at the exchange...
>>> I would like this too. I doubt it would be financially viable though
>>> with only 6 people.
>> If people want it, this way they can decide that for themselves.
>
> Yes. But who is going to pay around say £10K ?
>

Put up or shut up.

That is what it costs. Now, do you want it or not?


>> Actually, if you have a digger, laying fibre is only as expensive as
>> your time.
>
> That's not the only expense! Depending on where the fibre is to be
> layed there maybe permission to get. Planning permission may be
> needed. Then there's cabinets, DSLAMs etc....

Those are needed irrespective of cable length.but once again,. that's
what it costs. Put up or shut up.

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:30:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Mark wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:35:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:06:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would rather like the idea of half a dozen people clubbing together,
>>>>> ad sticking in their own fibres to the their hoises, and renting a bit
>>>>> of rack at the exchange...
>>>> I would like this too. I doubt it would be financially viable though
>>>> with only 6 people.
>>> If people want it, this way they can decide that for themselves.
>>
>> Yes. But who is going to pay around say £10K ?
>
>Put up or shut up.
>
>That is what it costs. Now, do you want it or not?

WTF? I never said anything about whether I wanted it or not.

>>> Actually, if you have a digger, laying fibre is only as expensive as
>>> your time.
>>
>> That's not the only expense! Depending on where the fibre is to be
>> layed there maybe permission to get. Planning permission may be
>> needed. Then there's cabinets, DSLAMs etc....
>
>Those are needed irrespective of cable length.but once again,. that's
>what it costs. Put up or shut up.

But these are mainly /fixed/ costs. The marginal costs would be small
compared to the set-up costs. Therefore it makes sense to get as many
people involved as possible.

You'll get a lot more interest if the cost is £100 rather than £10K.

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Mark wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:30:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Mark wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:35:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:06:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
>>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would rather like the idea of half a dozen people clubbing together,
>>>>>> ad sticking in their own fibres to the their hoises, and renting a bit
>>>>>> of rack at the exchange...
>>>>> I would like this too. I doubt it would be financially viable though
>>>>> with only 6 people.
>>>> If people want it, this way they can decide that for themselves.
>>> Yes. But who is going to pay around say £10K ?
>> Put up or shut up.
>>
>> That is what it costs. Now, do you want it or not?
>
> WTF? I never said anything about whether I wanted it or not.
>
>>>> Actually, if you have a digger, laying fibre is only as expensive as
>>>> your time.
>>> That's not the only expense! Depending on where the fibre is to be
>>> layed there maybe permission to get. Planning permission may be
>>> needed. Then there's cabinets, DSLAMs etc....
>> Those are needed irrespective of cable length.but once again,. that's
>> what it costs. Put up or shut up.
>
> But these are mainly /fixed/ costs. The marginal costs would be small
> compared to the set-up costs. Therefore it makes sense to get as many
> people involved as possible.
>
> You'll get a lot more interest if the cost is £100 rather than £10K.

actually over even short hauls, the cost of digging predominates.
£30,000 a kilometer to dig up roads etc etc.

termination kit is a lot less ...



>

Meanwhile, at the uk.telecom.broadband Job Justification Hearings, tim....
chose the tried and tested strategy of:

> Surely this is just a press release pretending to say "we expect to be
> offered this money" when the truth is that all they have done is "put a
> bid in for the money" against a competition of 20 other companies, only
> one of which will win.

That wasn't the point of the funding. The idea was that it would be given
out in small parcels to community-led broadband efforts, not to
multinationals.

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alexd wrote:
> Meanwhile, at the uk.telecom.broadband Job Justification Hearings, tim....
> chose the tried and tested strategy of:
>
>> Surely this is just a press release pretending to say "we expect to be
>> offered this money" when the truth is that all they have done is "put a
>> bid in for the money" against a competition of 20 other companies, only
>> one of which will win.
>
> That wasn't the point of the funding. The idea was that it would be given
> out in small parcels to community-led broadband efforts, not to
> multinationals.
>
Thats what they said about the EEDA project, but all that happened is
that they employed lots of expensive consultants who - also worked for
BT, used the whole thingg as a market survey, and what money was left
over got randomly distributed to people who appeared suspiciously close
to BT

And BT enabled all the exchanges where anyone looked like having a
viable alternative project.

[Default] On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 09:36:12 +0100, a certain chimpanzee,
"David" <(E-Mail Removed)>, randomly hit the keyboard and wrote:

>I think it good news for those in the countryside but feel the whole
>industry is in a mess particulary BT.
>I'm in a City far from being rural and only this month have BT put equipment
>in to give speeds UP TO 20Mb from up to 8 Mb So one wonders if BT will do
>fiber here now at all.

8Mb? Luxury! I too live in an urban area, and FTTC will increase my BB
speed from a flaky 2Mb to 7.2Mb (provided I pay BT £28/month of
course).

I'm thinking of moving to a little village where they can only get
24Mb.
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just how far from the pack have I strayed"?

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Mark wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:06:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I would rather like the idea of half a dozen people clubbing
>>> together, ad sticking in their own fibres to the their hoises, and
>>> renting a bit of rack at the exchange...
>>
>> I would like this too. I doubt it would be financially viable though
>> with only 6 people.
>
> If people want it, this way they can decide that for themselves.
>
>
> Actually, if you have a digger, laying fibre is only as expensive as
> your time.

And the expense to put it back to the state prior.

gaz wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> Mark wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:06:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would rather like the idea of half a dozen people clubbing
>>>> together, ad sticking in their own fibres to the their hoises, and
>>>> renting a bit of rack at the exchange...
>>> I would like this too. I doubt it would be financially viable though
>>> with only 6 people.
>> If people want it, this way they can decide that for themselves.
>>
>>
>> Actually, if you have a digger, laying fibre is only as expensive as
>> your time.
>
> And the expense to put it back to the state prior.
>
>
In rural locations, thats juts heaping the earth back and tossing in
some grass seed.

Or not even bothering with that.

I chewed up vast tracts of approximate meadow when building the house,
and most of it was back to grass and wildflowers in 18 months or so.


Windblown seeds like dandelion and thistle are in within weeks.

Grass takes a year or so to colonise.