Fujitsu offers UK fast rural broadband network

"Fujitsu is to create a superfast broadband network for rural parts of
the UK, rivalling BT's service.

Virgin Media and TalkTalk have already said they will use it to
provide internet services. It will also be open to local authorities.

Much of the system will be built on BT infrastructure, such as
underground ducting and phone poles, which it has been forced to open
up to competitors.

Fujitsu wants £500m of government money to help fund the project.

That would account for the lion's share of the £530m the government
has set aside to stimulate rural broadband projects.

This cash comes from a fund originally intended to help the digital
switchover. A further £300m, from the BBC licence fee, will be
available after 2015."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13060548

However, as a licence fee payer, I'd rather see the money spent on
improving TV services. If the licence fee is going to be
'unaccountable' in TV terms, we might as well do away with it as a
seperate form of taxation which is expensive to collect, and just fund
the BBC and others out of normal government taxation.
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Java Jive wrote:
> "Fujitsu is to create a superfast broadband network for rural parts of
> the UK, rivalling BT's service.
>
> Virgin Media and TalkTalk have already said they will use it to
> provide internet services. It will also be open to local authorities.
>
> Much of the system will be built on BT infrastructure, such as
> underground ducting and phone poles, which it has been forced to open
> up to competitors.
>
> Fujitsu wants £500m of government money to help fund the project.
>
> That would account for the lion's share of the £530m the government
> has set aside to stimulate rural broadband projects.
>
> This cash comes from a fund originally intended to help the digital
> switchover. A further £300m, from the BBC licence fee, will be
> available after 2015."
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13060548
>
> However, as a licence fee payer, I'd rather see the money spent on
> improving TV services. If the licence fee is going to be
> 'unaccountable' in TV terms, we might as well do away with it as a
> seperate form of taxation which is expensive to collect, and just fund
> the BBC and others out of normal government taxation.

Virgin have plans to use this highway for provision of their TV services....

"gaz" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Java Jive wrote:
>
> Virgin have plans to use this highway for provision of their TV
> services....
>
I think it good news for those in the countryside but feel the whole
industry is in a mess particulary BT.
I'm in a City far from being rural and only this month have BT put equipment
in to give speeds UP TO 20Mb from up to 8 Mb So one wonders if BT will do
fiber here now at all.
Regards
David

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13060548

"Assuming we are successful we would hope to add our first retail
customer in 2012 and reach 5 million in three to five years"

That would not meet the government's promise to "deliver a fibre point
in every community in the UK by the end of this parliament", would it?

I should think the proposed spend of 830m would only be sufficient to
subsidise rollout of FTTC. I have heard 30k per cabinet quoted as a
price in which case that would fund about 28,000. How many cabinets are
required in total?

Costs for FTTH are as high as 1k per home aren't they, if so would only
pay for 830,000 homes.

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"Java Jive" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> "Fujitsu is to create a superfast broadband network for rural parts of
> the UK, rivalling BT's service.
>
> Virgin Media and TalkTalk have already said they will use it to
> provide internet services. It will also be open to local authorities.
>
> Much of the system will be built on BT infrastructure, such as
> underground ducting and phone poles, which it has been forced to open
> up to competitors.
>
> Fujitsu wants £500m of government money to help fund the project.
>
> That would account for the lion's share of the £530m the government
> has set aside to stimulate rural broadband projects.
>
> This cash comes from a fund originally intended to help the digital
> switchover. A further £300m, from the BBC licence fee, will be
> available after 2015."
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13060548
>
> However, as a licence fee payer, I'd rather see the money spent on
> improving TV services. If the licence fee is going to be
> 'unaccountable' in TV terms, we might as well do away with it as a
> seperate form of taxation which is expensive to collect, and just fund
> the BBC and others out of normal government taxation.

Surely this is just a press release pretending to say "we expect to be
offered this money" when the truth is that all they have done is "put a bid
in for the money" against a competition of 20 other companies, only one of
which will win.

tim

David wrote:
>
>
> "gaz" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> Virgin have plans to use this highway for provision of their TV
>> services....
>>
> I think it good news for those in the countryside but feel the whole
> industry is in a mess particulary BT.
> I'm in a City far from being rural and only this month have BT put
> equipment in to give speeds UP TO 20Mb from up to 8 Mb So one wonders
> if BT will do fiber here now at all.
> Regards
> David

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04..._ducts_prices/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04...oadband_funds/

and
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...-unviable.html

Is the usual regulatory mess with everybody sucking on the public tit to
try to get an unfair commercial advantage.


I sometimes wonder if local loops should not in terms of ducting etc and
poles, be owned by the local community.

And rented out to whoever on a flat rate basis.

I would rather like the idea of half a dozen people clubbing together,
ad sticking in their own fibres to the their hoises, and renting a bit
of rack at the exchange...

Mark Lewis wrote:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13060548
>
> "Assuming we are successful we would hope to add our first retail
> customer in 2012 and reach 5 million in three to five years"
>
> That would not meet the government's promise to "deliver a fibre point
> in every community in the UK by the end of this parliament", would it?
>
> I should think the proposed spend of 830m would only be sufficient to
> subsidise rollout of FTTC. I have heard 30k per cabinet quoted as a
> price in which case that would fund about 28,000. How many cabinets are
> required in total?
>
> Costs for FTTH are as high as 1k per home aren't they, if so would only
> pay for 830,000 homes.
>
I suspect the business model is that income from the early installs
funds the later ones.

On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:06:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>David wrote:
>>
>>
>> "gaz" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>> Virgin have plans to use this highway for provision of their TV
>>> services....
>>>
>> I think it good news for those in the countryside but feel the whole
>> industry is in a mess particulary BT.
>> I'm in a City far from being rural and only this month have BT put
>> equipment in to give speeds UP TO 20Mb from up to 8 Mb So one wonders
>> if BT will do fiber here now at all.
>> Regards
>> David
>
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04..._ducts_prices/
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04...oadband_funds/
>
>and
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...-unviable.html
>
>Is the usual regulatory mess with everybody sucking on the public tit to
>try to get an unfair commercial advantage.
>
>
>I sometimes wonder if local loops should not in terms of ducting etc and
>poles, be owned by the local community.
>
>And rented out to whoever on a flat rate basis.
>
>I would rather like the idea of half a dozen people clubbing together,
>ad sticking in their own fibres to the their hoises, and renting a bit
>of rack at the exchange...

I would like this too. I doubt it would be financially viable though
with only 6 people.
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Mark wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:06:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>
>> I would rather like the idea of half a dozen people clubbing together,
>> ad sticking in their own fibres to the their hoises, and renting a bit
>> of rack at the exchange...
>
> I would like this too. I doubt it would be financially viable though
> with only 6 people.

If people want it, this way they can decide that for themselves.


Actually, if you have a digger, laying fibre is only as expensive as
your time.

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:35:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Mark wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:06:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I would rather like the idea of half a dozen people clubbing together,
>>> ad sticking in their own fibres to the their hoises, and renting a bit
>>> of rack at the exchange...
>>
>> I would like this too. I doubt it would be financially viable though
>> with only 6 people.
>
>If people want it, this way they can decide that for themselves.

Yes. But who is going to pay around say £10K ?

>Actually, if you have a digger, laying fibre is only as expensive as
>your time.

That's not the only expense! Depending on where the fibre is to be
layed there maybe permission to get. Planning permission may be
needed. Then there's cabinets, DSLAMs etc....
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