FTTC

River Tarnell wrote:
> In article <jbodg4$all$(E-Mail Removed)>, Dave <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> "alexd" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Hmm, I went camping in Cornwall in July and it rained every bloody day.
>> You must have been unlucky ;-)
>
> Doesn't Cornwall have more rain than anywhere else in England?
>
I think the north west trumps it..Manchester or somewhere

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/anomacts/

is rather fun..

Hot spots are Snowdonia, Lake district and bits of Scotland,. but
overall the West of Scotland is the dullest darkest rainiest shit-hole
on the whole island

But Cornwall is still bloody wet.:-)

"Mark" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:42:41 -0000, "Dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"David" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>news:jbidht$aoh$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:jbicbc$gfc$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> BT Infinity Fibre optic broadband
>>>> We're rolling out our fibre optic network to bring you faster speeds of
>>>> up to 40Mb. Register your interest now and we'll contact you near to
>>>> the
>>>> date stated. 26.5Mb download
>>>> 10.0Mb upload 31-March-2012
>>>>
>>>
>>> That was what BT site gave me last time I looked with the 1st Dec given.
>>> Now on Monday 6th Dec it proves to be accurate.
>>>
>>> I have asked my ISP, Be Unlimited to comment if they can use this FTTC
>>> as
>>> apparently other ISPs can from a reply above.
>>> I have a BB/Anytime phone package.
>>> First glance shows me.
>>> BT do not seem to do this only weekends/evenings, and at higher cost
>>> than
>>> I pay now and a connection charge..
>>> Plusnet how ever do but a download limit but about same cost I pay now
>>> no
>>> connection charge.
>>> Any other names of ISPs you know of who will use this FTTC, preferably
>>> ones with good customer service?
>>>
>>> I'm on a 3 month notice with Be so at worse case I would loose 3 months
>>> money I assume to change, or as anyone done this and can suggest lowest
>>> cost way, should I decide to move, do not want to jump too soon as I
>>> would
>>> be on 18 month contract? (As a reply above said I'm on a good speed
>>> now
>>> and many would love what I got now).
>>> Regards
>>> David
>>
>>Xilo.net I've had VERY good service - also a ONE month contract
>
> Can't see anything on their site about FTTC. Are you sure that FTTC
> is available on one month contracts. FTTC is not available on
> self-install AFAIK.
>
>

Hi Mark,

I asked Xilo about monthly contracts and they said no one offers a monthly
contracts with FTTC - at the moment... I just thought they did

No wires only with FTTC either, but will of course change over time as it
did with ADSL ... I see Draytek and Fritzbox now making FTTC routers..

Dave

On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:59:31 +0000, Andy Burns
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>David wrote:
>
>> "Andy Burns" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>
>>> I've heard 96 FTTC subs per cabinet ... I think that was from Kraftee.
>>
>> Near me 3 have single doors, but the one I think could well be mine is
>> larger with double doors.
>
>I think the larger ones could be 288 subs, ISTR kraftee's 96 subs
>response was concerning the particular cabs in one part of Nottingham,
>here he might be sure they are not the large ones.

They may be the larger type but even 288 is far too few IMHO. I'd
better apply very quickly as soon as it goes active!

On Thu, 8 Dec 2011 10:22:30 -0000, "Dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>
>"Mark" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:42:41 -0000, "Dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"David" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>news:jbidht$aoh$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:jbicbc$gfc$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> BT Infinity Fibre optic broadband
>>>>> We're rolling out our fibre optic network to bring you faster speeds of
>>>>> up to 40Mb. Register your interest now and we'll contact you near to
>>>>> the
>>>>> date stated. 26.5Mb download
>>>>> 10.0Mb upload 31-March-2012
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That was what BT site gave me last time I looked with the 1st Dec given.
>>>> Now on Monday 6th Dec it proves to be accurate.
>>>>
>>>> I have asked my ISP, Be Unlimited to comment if they can use this FTTC
>>>> as
>>>> apparently other ISPs can from a reply above.
>>>> I have a BB/Anytime phone package.
>>>> First glance shows me.
>>>> BT do not seem to do this only weekends/evenings, and at higher cost
>>>> than
>>>> I pay now and a connection charge..
>>>> Plusnet how ever do but a download limit but about same cost I pay now
>>>> no
>>>> connection charge.
>>>> Any other names of ISPs you know of who will use this FTTC, preferably
>>>> ones with good customer service?
>>>>
>>>> I'm on a 3 month notice with Be so at worse case I would loose 3 months
>>>> money I assume to change, or as anyone done this and can suggest lowest
>>>> cost way, should I decide to move, do not want to jump too soon as I
>>>> would
>>>> be on 18 month contract? (As a reply above said I'm on a good speed
>>>> now
>>>> and many would love what I got now).
>>>> Regards
>>>> David
>>>
>>>Xilo.net I've had VERY good service - also a ONE month contract
>>
>> Can't see anything on their site about FTTC. Are you sure that FTTC
>> is available on one month contracts. FTTC is not available on
>> self-install AFAIK.
>>
>>
>
>Hi Mark,
>
>I asked Xilo about monthly contracts and they said no one offers a monthly
>contracts with FTTC - at the moment... I just thought they did

AFAIK most companies insist on 12-18 months minimum. I believe they
absorb some of the installation costs so it's reasonable to do this.

>No wires only with FTTC either, but will of course change over time as it
>did with ADSL ... I see Draytek and Fritzbox now making FTTC routers..

AFAIK you need a new socket in the house for FTTC but others here
probably know more about this than me. I'll report back here if/when
I get FTTC ;-)

"Mark" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:59:31 +0000, Andy Burns
ones.
>
> They may be the larger type but even 288 is far too few IMHO. I'd
> better apply very quickly as soon as it goes active!
>

Ok then you that have had FTTC for a while unless the take up is very small
then these original boxes will now need additional capacity how is that
achieved?
Another box at the side of the first one or more boxes nearer to the houses?
EG. in the estate roads rather than on main roads.
Regards
David

On Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:11:42 -0000, "David" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>
>
>"Mark" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:59:31 +0000, Andy Burns
>ones.
>>
>> They may be the larger type but even 288 is far too few IMHO. I'd
>> better apply very quickly as soon as it goes active!
>>
>
>Ok then you that have had FTTC for a while unless the take up is very small
>then these original boxes will now need additional capacity how is that
>achieved?
>Another box at the side of the first one or more boxes nearer to the houses?
>EG. in the estate roads rather than on main roads.

I don't know but I would guess that, owing to the high cost of
installation, when they run out of capacity then it will be tough on
those who can't get it. I doubt they would install more capacity if
their estimates are wrong.

I don't know how they estimate the take-up rate. However, given that
there is no cable here, we are a long way from the exchange and that
it's a fairly wealthy area, the take-up here might be a lot higher
than average.

"Mark" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:11:42 -0000, "David" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>
> I don't know how they estimate the take-up rate. However, given that
> there is no cable here, we are a long way from the exchange and that
> it's a fairly wealthy area, the take-up here might be a lot higher
> than average.
>
It was on the daytime Angela Ripon consumer program this week about slow BB
and showed Robin Hoods Bay, Yorkshire people set up their own system they
found they had people amongst them with the technical knowledge too.
Regards
David

David wrote:
>
>
> "Mark" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:11:42 -0000, "David" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>
>> I don't know how they estimate the take-up rate. However, given that
>> there is no cable here, we are a long way from the exchange and that
>> it's a fairly wealthy area, the take-up here might be a lot higher
>> than average.
>>
> It was on the daytime Angela Ripon consumer program this week about slow
> BB and showed Robin Hoods Bay, Yorkshire people set up their own system
> they found they had people amongst them with the technical knowledge too.

It doesn't actually take much technical knowledge, and that can be hired..

I stuck the internet into the channel islands almost single handed after
boning up on the drearier aspects of BGP...

And with excellent backup from Guernsey Telecom on the fibre stuff.
Jersey Telecom were less co operative. It was their failure to do it
that caused my involvement.....

At that time it cost a bit over £250k for two 2Mbps links and a proper
failover system. Much of that spent on people time and training and
documentation.

It ain't actually rocket science - heck if BT openreach can do it..

What mostly scuppers these plans is when the village realises its going
to cost £50 a month for a shared 2Mbps service or whatever, and says
'but broadband should be a tenner a month, for 20Mbps and unlimited
usage, max' .




> Regards
> David