Free Wireless

Wireless rules!

I randomly bought a 802.11g Belkin PCI Wireless adaptor with external
antenna got it home opened the box and plugged it in, installed the driver
and rebooted. All of a sudden i had a free internet connection!

Anonymous too (to a certain extent)

anyway thought i would prove to people that free internet can be obtained
through the use of wireless

> Anonymous too (to a certain extent)
>
> anyway thought i would prove to people that free internet can be obtained
> through the use of wireless

As for anonymous bear in mind that as soon as you send any data that
contains personal information, for example an email address then that
could start the ball rolling for your identity to be determined, if the
host starts to do a bit of sniffing.

Probably it won't happen. Doing this when you're on the move is one
thing but sitting at home using your neighbours connection raises the
chance.

David.

"David Taylor" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> Anonymous too (to a certain extent)
>>
>> anyway thought i would prove to people that free internet can be obtained
>> through the use of wireless
>
> As for anonymous bear in mind that as soon as you send any data that
> contains personal information, for example an email address then that
> could start the ball rolling for your identity to be determined, if the
> host starts to do a bit of sniffing.
>
> Probably it won't happen. Doing this when you're on the move is one
> thing but sitting at home using your neighbours connection raises the
> chance.
>
> David.

But, if the connection has not been secured in anyway, then (in the UK at
any rate) it can be interpreted as an invitation to use the service - I am
aware of one case whereby the miscreant got away with it because he got a
DHCP address from the wireless setup and was allowed to access the
internet - his argument was that there were no controls on access so how was
he to know!

SK

> But, if the connection has not been secured in anyway, then (in the UK at
> any rate) it can be interpreted as an invitation to use the service - I am
> aware of one case whereby the miscreant got away with it because he got a
> DHCP address from the wireless setup and was allowed to access the
> internet - his argument was that there were no controls on access so how was

That's not the case at all, there have already been legal cases in the
UK to state otherwise.

For example:-

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communicatio...,39210473,00.h
tm

Please provide a link to support your claim. There is no such
interpretation that if it's not secured, you're welcome.

David.

Chronic wrote:
> Wireless rules!
>
> I randomly bought a 802.11g Belkin PCI Wireless adaptor with external
> antenna got it home opened the box and plugged it in, installed the driver
> and rebooted. All of a sudden i had a free internet connection!
>
> Anonymous too (to a certain extent)
>
> anyway thought i would prove to people that free internet can be obtained
> through the use of wireless

Yawn.

There are free wireless access points in many places, eg, some
restaurants now offer them to entice customers to come and stay and
drink many gallons of coffee. Go use those instead of stealing your
neighbour's signal.

On Sat, 13 May 2006 12:24:59 +0000, David Taylor wrote:

>> But, if the connection has not been secured in anyway, then (in the UK at
>> any rate) it can be interpreted as an invitation to use the service - I am
>> aware of one case whereby the miscreant got away with it because he got a
>> DHCP address from the wireless setup and was allowed to access the
>> internet - his argument was that there were no controls on access so how was
>
> That's not the case at all, there have already been legal cases in the
> UK to state otherwise.
>
> For example:-
>
> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communicatio...,39210473,00.h
> tm
>
> Please provide a link to support your claim. There is no such
> interpretation that if it's not secured, you're welcome.
>
> David.


There's a law review article on the situation in the U.S.:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...ract_id=399740

I haven't read it closely and it seems to deal more with severe crimes
rather than leeching of a neighbors connection, but the author does
mention that some courts have refused to apply traditional criminal
sanctions against trespass and theft. In the case of theft, for instance,
it is sometimes said that no theft has been committed so long as one
leaves behind the original document one has copied without authorization.

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In <(E-Mail Removed)> on Sat, 13 May 2006 17:37:34
GMT, Reynolds531 <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Sat, 13 May 2006 12:24:59 +0000, David Taylor wrote:
>
>>> But, if the connection has not been secured in anyway, then (in the UK at
>>> any rate) it can be interpreted as an invitation to use the service - I am
>>> aware of one case whereby the miscreant got away with it because he got a
>>> DHCP address from the wireless setup and was allowed to access the
>>> internet - his argument was that there were no controls on access so how was
>>
>> That's not the case at all, there have already been legal cases in the
>> UK to state otherwise.
>>
>> For example:-
>>
>> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communicatio...,39210473,00.h
>> tm
>>
>> Please provide a link to support your claim. There is no such
>> interpretation that if it's not secured, you're welcome.

>There's a law review article on the situation in the U.S.:
>
>http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...ract_id=399740
>
>I haven't read it closely and it seems to deal more with severe crimes
>rather than leeching of a neighbors connection, but the author does
>mention that some courts have refused to apply traditional criminal
>sanctions against trespass and theft. In the case of theft, for instance,
>it is sometimes said that no theft has been committed so long as one
>leaves behind the original document one has copied without authorization.

Other opinions, including those of lawyers and law enforcement officials I've
consulted, differ; e.g.,

<http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/08/technology/personaltech/internet_piracy/>:

On the state level it could be more clear. "It's unlawful access", said
John Geraty, an officer with the Internet crimes against children unit of
the San Francisco Police Department.

According to Geraty, using your neighbor's wireless is specifically
prohibited in the California penal code. "It's not yours and you're taking
it," he says.

He's apparently referring to California Penal Code section 502.

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I hope no one leaves their vehicle running with the door open!
Does this mean it is a free vehicle? 8^o

> sanctions against trespass and theft. In the case of theft, for instance,
> it is sometimes said that no theft has been committed so long as one
> leaves behind the original document one has copied without authorization.

Theft is the permanent denial of something belonging to someone else.
This is why joyriding of cars over here isn't classed as theft. They
only intended on taking the car for a while. The fact that they never
give it back in the same place they took it from, in the condition it
was taken seems irrelevant.

I don't see how you can return bandwidth that the other person has paid
for.

David.

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In <(E-Mail Removed) m> on Sun, 14 May 2006
09:30:54 GMT, David Taylor <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>> sanctions against trespass and theft. In the case of theft, for instance,
>> it is sometimes said that no theft has been committed so long as one
>> leaves behind the original document one has copied without authorization.
>
>Theft is the permanent denial of something belonging to someone else.

<http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=2119&bold=||||>

theft
n. the generic term for all crimes in which a person intentionally
and fraudulently takes personal property of another without
permission or consent and with the intent to convert it to the
taker's use (including potential sale). ...

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