Fitting a new telephone extension

I need to install a phone socket in the loft for ADSL (the modem etc will be
going up there) and for the same reason that I'm going to go wireless, I
don't want to run extensions through the house.

Also we'll be getting Sky soon and the master socket is in the wrong place
for that and that would mean running an extension round the living room and
dining room, which I don't want either.


So is the following possible?

Disconnect the master socket, drill a hole through the outside wall through
to the loft and pop the cable through there and reconnect the master socket
up there.

Then wire a new extension into the master socket (it's an NTE5) , pop it
back out the hole, run it down to where I'd like it, come back in through
the wall and fit a new extension.

I was thinking I would leave the original BT cable uncut so if we ever had
to run the master socket back downstairs (if we sell etc) it would only be a
5 minute job.

So are you allowed to play with the master socket in such a way? I presume
as long as it doesn't cause any problems BT wont care?

What cable would I use for the outside? I've seen extensions done this way
before but noticed it's a much thicker cable.


Thanks

Anth

anth wrote:

> I need to install a phone socket in the loft for ADSL (the modem etc will be
> going up there) and for the same reason that I'm going to go wireless, I
> don't want to run extensions through the house.
>
> Also we'll be getting Sky soon and the master socket is in the wrong place
> for that and that would mean running an extension round the living room and
> dining room, which I don't want either.
>
>
> So is the following possible?
>
> Disconnect the master socket, drill a hole through the outside wall through
> to the loft and pop the cable through there and reconnect the master socket
> up there.
>
> Then wire a new extension into the master socket (it's an NTE5) , pop it
> back out the hole, run it down to where I'd like it, come back in through
> the wall and fit a new extension.
>
> I was thinking I would leave the original BT cable uncut so if we ever had
> to run the master socket back downstairs (if we sell etc) it would only be a
> 5 minute job.
>
> So are you allowed to play with the master socket in such a way? I presume
> as long as it doesn't cause any problems BT wont care?
>
> What cable would I use for the outside? I've seen extensions done this way
> before but noticed it's a much thicker cable.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Anth
>
>
You are not really allowed to tamper with the BT socket. We were told off for connecting
extensions into it. However if you do move it, make sure none of the cables get shorted as
this may blow something up at BT’s end, and they could fine you! Just be careful…

"sean" <s-e-a-n-h-a-r-d-y-8-8-@-y-a-h-o-o.c-o.u-k> wrote in message
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> You are not really allowed to tamper with the BT socket. We were told off
for connecting
> extensions into it. However if you do move it, make sure none of the
cables get shorted as
> this may blow something up at BT’s end, and they could fine you! Just be
careful…

Well as far as I'm aware you're allowed to wire extensions into an NTE5
(they're designed that way), it was moving the socket i'm more unsure about.

Anth

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
anth <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> I need to install a phone socket in the loft for ADSL (the modem etc
> will be going up there) and for the same reason that I'm going to go
> wireless, I don't want to run extensions through the house.
>
> Also we'll be getting Sky soon and the master socket is in the wrong
> place for that and that would mean running an extension round the
> living room and dining room, which I don't want either.
>
>
> So is the following possible?
>
> Disconnect the master socket, drill a hole through the outside wall
> through to the loft and pop the cable through there and reconnect the
> master socket up there.
>
> Then wire a new extension into the master socket (it's an NTE5) , pop
> it back out the hole, run it down to where I'd like it, come back in
> through the wall and fit a new extension.
>
> I was thinking I would leave the original BT cable uncut so if we
> ever had to run the master socket back downstairs (if we sell etc) it
> would only be a 5 minute job.
>
> So are you allowed to play with the master socket in such a way? I
> presume as long as it doesn't cause any problems BT wont care?
>
> What cable would I use for the outside? I've seen extensions done
> this way before but noticed it's a much thicker cable.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Anth

What you're suggesting is a *BAD* idea!

The master socket is the interface point between BT and you - they are
responsible for everything up to and including the master socket, and you
are responsible for extension wiring from the master onwards. In the event
of a fault, BT may well need to test the line at the master socket - to
determine whether the fault is in their bit or in yours. Whereas you might
get away with moving the master socket within the house - providing your
installation work looks like a BT job - you ain't going to get away with
moving it into the attic!

If you are planning to use micro-filters for your phones etc., the ADSL
connection can be made to *any* extension socket - it doesn't have to be
connected to the master. So you could get BT to move the master to where
your Sky box is to be, and then run your own extension up to the attic for
ADSL - going outside with the wire if you wish.

If you don't want to use micro-filters but to have a filtered faceplate
instead, buy one of the modified ones from Clarity [
http://www.clarity.it/telecoms/adsl_bits.htm ] and wire a digital extension
into the back of it.

If you're running either a normal phone extension or a digital extension
outside, you need to protect the cable (or use special cable?) because
ordinary cable doesn't like exposure to UV light - and will go brittle. I
have heard of people running their cables inside dummy (or maybe real?)
plastic drainpipes.
--
Cheers,
Tim
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"Tiscali Tim" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> anth <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
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>
> What you're suggesting is a *BAD* idea!
>
> The master socket is the interface point between BT and you - they are
> responsible for everything up to and including the master socket, and you
> are responsible for extension wiring from the master onwards. In the event
> of a fault, BT may well need to test the line at the master socket - to
> determine whether the fault is in their bit or in yours. Whereas you might
> get away with moving the master socket within the house - providing your
> installation work looks like a BT job - you ain't going to get away with
> moving it into the attic!
>
> If you are planning to use micro-filters for your phones etc., the ADSL
> connection can be made to *any* extension socket - it doesn't have to be
> connected to the master. So you could get BT to move the master to where
> your Sky box is to be, and then run your own extension up to the attic for
> ADSL - going outside with the wire if you wish.
>
> If you don't want to use micro-filters but to have a filtered faceplate
> instead, buy one of the modified ones from Clarity [
> http://www.clarity.it/telecoms/adsl_bits.htm ] and wire a digital
extension
> into the back of it.
>
> If you're running either a normal phone extension or a digital extension
> outside, you need to protect the cable (or use special cable?) because
> ordinary cable doesn't like exposure to UV light - and will go brittle. I
> have heard of people running their cables inside dummy (or maybe real?)
> plastic drainpipes.
> --
> Cheers,
> Tim
> ______
> Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is invalid.
>
>

Well I was wanting the modem and router etc in the loft (and therefore an
extension) for neatness (the mrs wont be happy if I have more computer stuff
lying around) as well as practicality (my computer will be in the loft with
a wired connection, the kids can connect via wireless and I can use my work
laptop via wirelesses wherever I fancy).

The reason for moving the master socket was that it's cable goes past the
point where it would go into the loft but doesn't go as far as the point
where I want it to come into the house and regardless of the Sky issue it
seemed a bit daft to go down the wall just to wire a new extension going all
the way back up again.

As for the cable I'll have to have a look at my sisters when I go round to
hers next time and see if it has any markings on it. It's how hers was
done.

Does anyone know the going rate for a BT engineer to move the master socket?
I suppose while he was there I could get him to run the extension too.

Thanks

Anth

"anth" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "Tiscali Tim" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> > anth <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >
> snipped
>
> >
> > What you're suggesting is a *BAD* idea!
> >
> > The master socket is the interface point between BT and you - they are
> > responsible for everything up to and including the master socket, and
you
> > are responsible for extension wiring from the master onwards. In the
event
> > of a fault, BT may well need to test the line at the master socket - to
> > determine whether the fault is in their bit or in yours. Whereas you
might
> > get away with moving the master socket within the house - providing your
> > installation work looks like a BT job - you ain't going to get away with
> > moving it into the attic!
> >
> > If you are planning to use micro-filters for your phones etc., the ADSL
> > connection can be made to *any* extension socket - it doesn't have to be
> > connected to the master. So you could get BT to move the master to where
> > your Sky box is to be, and then run your own extension up to the attic
for
> > ADSL - going outside with the wire if you wish.
> >
> > If you don't want to use micro-filters but to have a filtered faceplate
> > instead, buy one of the modified ones from Clarity [
> > http://www.clarity.it/telecoms/adsl_bits.htm ] and wire a digital
> extension
> > into the back of it.
> >
> > If you're running either a normal phone extension or a digital extension
> > outside, you need to protect the cable (or use special cable?) because
> > ordinary cable doesn't like exposure to UV light - and will go brittle.
I
> > have heard of people running their cables inside dummy (or maybe real?)
> > plastic drainpipes.
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Tim
> > ______
> > Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is invalid.
> >
> >
>
> Well I was wanting the modem and router etc in the loft (and therefore an
> extension) for neatness (the mrs wont be happy if I have more computer
stuff
> lying around) as well as practicality (my computer will be in the loft
with
> a wired connection, the kids can connect via wireless and I can use my
work
> laptop via wirelesses wherever I fancy).
>
> The reason for moving the master socket was that it's cable goes past the
> point where it would go into the loft but doesn't go as far as the point
> where I want it to come into the house and regardless of the Sky issue it
> seemed a bit daft to go down the wall just to wire a new extension going
all
> the way back up again.
>
> As for the cable I'll have to have a look at my sisters when I go round to
> hers next time and see if it has any markings on it. It's how hers was
> done.
>
> Does anyone know the going rate for a BT engineer to move the master
socket?
> I suppose while he was there I could get him to run the extension too.
>
> Thanks
>
> Anth
>

Ok, just so we're clear,

You KNOW it's wrong to tamper with the sacred NTE.

Now that's out of the way, unscrew the bottom plate from the NTE. Within
their is your demarcation point (Imaginary line in sand drawn by BT and
which thou shalt not cross. Fuck 'em).
Remove next pair of screws. Note White/Blue wire in screw terminal 'A' and
Blue/White wire in screw terminal 'B'. Or vice-versa depending on BT
engineer's intake of Ritalin that day. Disconnect cable.
Remove 2 screws/1 screw/NTE backbox held to wall with double sided
tape/blu-tack/chewing gum....
Relocate cable to loft, do not cut cable down but keep the slack coiled up.
Terminate NTE as found.
On selling of house, repeat above steps in reverse or if you are in a
cavalier mood that day, climb the telegraph pole, cut off the dropwire and
deny all knowledge.
Under no circumstances lose any sleep about shorting any wires in any of the
above steps. It won't make the chairman's office explode and even if it did,
kudos to you sir. Just relocate NTE to original point and deny all
knowledge.

In short, just do it, using common sense. A happy wife is a stable life.

Best regards

Rory

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Rory <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
> In short, just do it, using common sense. A happy wife is a stable
> life.
>

And pray that you never get any line faults which require a site visit by
BT.
--
Cheers,
Tim
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"Rory" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "anth" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:40f69b6b$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> > "Tiscali Tim" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> > > anth <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > >
> > snipped
> >
> > >
> > > What you're suggesting is a *BAD* idea!
> > >
> > > The master socket is the interface point between BT and you - they are
> > > responsible for everything up to and including the master socket, and
> you
> > > are responsible for extension wiring from the master onwards. In the
> event
> > > of a fault, BT may well need to test the line at the master socket -
to
> > > determine whether the fault is in their bit or in yours. Whereas you
> might
> > > get away with moving the master socket within the house - providing
your
> > > installation work looks like a BT job - you ain't going to get away
with
> > > moving it into the attic!
> > >
> > > If you are planning to use micro-filters for your phones etc., the
ADSL
> > > connection can be made to *any* extension socket - it doesn't have to
be
> > > connected to the master. So you could get BT to move the master to
where
> > > your Sky box is to be, and then run your own extension up to the attic
> for
> > > ADSL - going outside with the wire if you wish.
> > >
> > > If you don't want to use micro-filters but to have a filtered
faceplate
> > > instead, buy one of the modified ones from Clarity [
> > > http://www.clarity.it/telecoms/adsl_bits.htm ] and wire a digital
> > extension
> > > into the back of it.
> > >
> > > If you're running either a normal phone extension or a digital
extension
> > > outside, you need to protect the cable (or use special cable?) because
> > > ordinary cable doesn't like exposure to UV light - and will go
brittle.
> I
> > > have heard of people running their cables inside dummy (or maybe
real?)
> > > plastic drainpipes.
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > > Tim
> > > ______
> > > Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is invalid.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Well I was wanting the modem and router etc in the loft (and therefore
an
> > extension) for neatness (the mrs wont be happy if I have more computer
> stuff
> > lying around) as well as practicality (my computer will be in the loft
> with
> > a wired connection, the kids can connect via wireless and I can use my
> work
> > laptop via wirelesses wherever I fancy).
> >
> > The reason for moving the master socket was that it's cable goes past
the
> > point where it would go into the loft but doesn't go as far as the point
> > where I want it to come into the house and regardless of the Sky issue
it
> > seemed a bit daft to go down the wall just to wire a new extension going
> all
> > the way back up again.
> >
> > As for the cable I'll have to have a look at my sisters when I go round
to
> > hers next time and see if it has any markings on it. It's how hers was
> > done.
> >
> > Does anyone know the going rate for a BT engineer to move the master
> socket?
> > I suppose while he was there I could get him to run the extension too.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Anth
> >
>
> Ok, just so we're clear,
>
> You KNOW it's wrong to tamper with the sacred NTE.
>
> Now that's out of the way, unscrew the bottom plate from the NTE. Within
> their is your demarcation point (Imaginary line in sand drawn by BT and
> which thou shalt not cross. Fuck 'em).
> Remove next pair of screws. Note White/Blue wire in screw terminal 'A' and
> Blue/White wire in screw terminal 'B'. Or vice-versa depending on BT
> engineer's intake of Ritalin that day. Disconnect cable.
> Remove 2 screws/1 screw/NTE backbox held to wall with double sided
> tape/blu-tack/chewing gum....
> Relocate cable to loft, do not cut cable down but keep the slack coiled
up.
> Terminate NTE as found.
> On selling of house, repeat above steps in reverse or if you are in a
> cavalier mood that day, climb the telegraph pole, cut off the dropwire and
> deny all knowledge.
> Under no circumstances lose any sleep about shorting any wires in any of
the
> above steps. It won't make the chairman's office explode and even if it
did,
> kudos to you sir. Just relocate NTE to original point and deny all
> knowledge.
>
> In short, just do it, using common sense. A happy wife is a stable life.
>
> Best regards
>
> Rory
>

Sorry, as regards to external cable, you are after CW1308BK (black 1308,
same as your internal cable but black. The black is carbon or somesuch stuff
in the insulation to make it impervious to UV damage. They do this to car
tyres also). The reason your incoming cable is thicker is because A: It is
DROPWIRE coming from a telegraph pole (contains strengthening members to
stop it stretching/breaking) or B: It is CW1128 DUCT CABLE (polythene sheath
and filled with petroleum jelly (i.e. Vaseline) to make it waterproof). Most
likely A if BT.

Best regards

Rory

"Tiscali Tim" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Rory <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >
> > In short, just do it, using common sense. A happy wife is a stable
> > life.
> >
>
> And pray that you never get any line faults which require a site visit by
> BT.
> --
> Cheers,
> Tim
> ______
> Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is invalid.

Or as ends CrimewatchUK 'don't have nightmares!'.

It's British Telecom; you make it sound like you will get dawn-raided by the
KGB.

"Tiscali Tim" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>The master socket is the interface point between BT and you - they are
>responsible for everything up to and including the master socket, and you
>are responsible for extension wiring from the master onwards. In the event
>of a fault, BT may well need to test the line at the master socket - to
>determine whether the fault is in their bit or in yours. Whereas you might
>get away with moving the master socket within the house - providing your
>installation work looks like a BT job - you ain't going to get away with
>moving it into the attic!

Why not? BT fitted all 3 master sockets in the loft at my parents house.
It might have been against the rules (long length of wire across the loft
before reaching the socket, etc...), but the bt technicians have always
seemed to be sensible about interpreting their rules. They also had
an 'engineer installed' adsl faceplate fitted to one of the lineboxes
in the loft with (as far as I know) no comment from bt.

I changed my master socket for as NTE linebox jobby (NTE box was
'recovered' from another house where two disused phone lines were
terminated *in the loft* with lineboxes).

Just be careful!

dom.