file transfer between Linux and XP home computers?

I'd like to be able to transfer files between my Linux (Red Hat 7) and XP
computers at home. Don't know how, hardware or software.

XP has a wizard that lets me define connections on a printer port, a serial
port, or a modem. I have defined an incoming connection, but don't know how
to use it.

Linux has things like FTP and telnet, but both of them require an internet
address. What's the internet address of another home computer? I can write
directly to the serial port with e.g. "cat >/dev/ttyS0", but I think XP is
expecting to receive TCP/IP packets, not simple ascii transmission.

Hardware:

I have a printer cable that will plug into my XP printer port (25-pin), and
at the other end, into my Linux serial port (9-pin). Is this a usable
connection?

I could get a cable with 9 pins at each end, plus a null modem, to connect
serial ports on the two boxes.

I could get a modem for my Linux box and connect it to the modem in my XP
box with an ordinary phone wire.

Can anybody suggest a plan?

Thanks,
Bill

"WWW" <(E-Mail Removed)> schrieb
> I'd like to be able to transfer files between my Linux (Red Hat
> 7) and XP computers at home. Don't know how, hardware or
> software.
You'll need both: a hardware connection and a software connection.

If you exchange smallish files irregularly and not too often,
you could use a floppy, zip, CD-R (so called sneaker-net).

If you exchange often and big files, you'd be better off buying
two network cards, a hub / switch, two cables and connect the two
computers together. The process is relatively painless (don't know
about RH 7, it is quite oldish now).
This is by far the best solution, although you'll have to spend
some $$ for additional hw.

>
> XP has a wizard that lets me define connections on a printer
> port, a serial port, or a modem. I have defined an incoming
> connection, but don't know how to use it.
You could set up a network over serial lines.

>
> Linux has things like FTP and telnet, but both of them require
> an internet address. What's the internet address of another
> home computer?
The same as any other internet address. You'd be better off using
an internet net address in the range of e.g. 192.168.0.x with a
netmask of 255.255.255.0 as these addresses are recognized in the
internet world as private (intranet) addresses.

> I can write directly to the serial port with e.g. "cat
>/dev/ttyS0", but I think XP is expecting to receive TCP/IP
> packets, not simple ascii transmission.
You could use a serial null-modem cable and transfer with any
serial modem connection program (hyperterm, minicom, kermit).

>
> Hardware:
>
> I have a printer cable that will plug into my XP printer port
> (25-pin), and at the other end, into my Linux serial port (9-
> pin). Is this a usable connection?
IMHO, almost certainly not.

>
> I could get a cable with 9 pins at each end, plus a null modem,
> to connect serial ports on the two boxes.
Then you can set up a network between the two (e.g. slip etc).

>
> I could get a modem for my Linux box and connect it to the modem
> in my XP box with an ordinary phone wire.
Both modems expect a telephone exchange (dial tone, capability to
dial etc) which the other side (the modem) doesn't provide. You
can cut out the modems and use a null-modem cable instead.

>
> Can anybody suggest a plan?
Read up on the possibilities in the manuals provided by the
vendors.

HTH
Martin

Martin Blume <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> "WWW" <(E-Mail Removed)> schrieb
> > I'd like to be able to transfer files between my Linux (Red Hat
> > 7) and XP computers at home. Don't know how, hardware or
> > software.
[..]

> If you exchange often and big files, you'd be better off buying
> two network cards, a hub / switch, two cables and connect the two
> computers together. The process is relatively painless (don't know
[..]

Ack, but then you don't need a hub/switch with two boxes, a
crossover network cable and two NICs will work fine, the OP
should be able to get two 10MBit PCI cards for virtually nothing.

> > I can write directly to the serial port with e.g. "cat
> >/dev/ttyS0", but I think XP is expecting to receive TCP/IP
> > packets, not simple ascii transmission.

> You could use a serial null-modem cable and transfer with any
> serial modem connection program (hyperterm, minicom, kermit).

Yep, that should work, but 115000 bit/sec won't be really fast.
Getting some cheapo (+supported) NICs should be the best advice.

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"Michael Heiming" <michael+(E-Mail Removed)> schrieb
> [..]
>
> Ack, but then you don't need a hub/switch with two boxes, a
> crossover network cable and two NICs will work fine, the OP
> should be able to get two 10MBit PCI cards for virtually
> nothing.
>

Ack, I completely forgot.

Martin

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:46:38 -0600, WWW wrote:

> I'd like to be able to transfer files between my Linux (Red Hat 7) and XP
> computers at home. Don't know how, hardware or software.
>
> XP has a wizard that lets me define connections on a printer port, a serial
> port, or a modem. I have defined an incoming connection, but don't know how
> to use it.
>
> Linux has things like FTP and telnet, but both of them require an internet
> address. What's the internet address of another home computer? I can write
> directly to the serial port with e.g. "cat >/dev/ttyS0", but I think XP is
> expecting to receive TCP/IP packets, not simple ascii transmission.
>
> Hardware:
>
> I have a printer cable that will plug into my XP printer port (25-pin), and
> at the other end, into my Linux serial port (9-pin). Is this a usable
> connection?
>
> I could get a cable with 9 pins at each end, plus a null modem, to connect
> serial ports on the two boxes.
>
> I could get a modem for my Linux box and connect it to the modem in my XP
> box with an ordinary phone wire.
>
> Can anybody suggest a plan?
There are two pretty common ways of transferring data from one system to
another. Networking (using network cards and cabling) and the use of a
null modem cable or laplink type cable. I use the term laplink due to the
fact that many Windows users are familiar with the application laplink. I
personally have not transferred data to/from a linux computer via null
modem so can not help that way. For speed considerations, if you have a
large amount of data that you want to transfer and are going to be doing
this often, networking would be your best bet.. and it just might be
easier for you in the long run as well.
To do this you would need a network card in each computer and this would
then allow you to assign IP addresses for each of the computers. This
wouls then allow you to use a networking application such as ftp.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill

I have two laptops here. One has XP and the other one is
getting Fedora (was Win 2000).
I have a USB-USB network bridge cable(NET-LinQ) that I
currently have a TCP/IP connection between the two boxes
using 192.168.0 address at either end).
Do I have any hope of getting the Linux (to be, tonight)
box to connect to the XP box? Will I have to learn how to
rebuild the kernel, compile code and other such things that
I have yet to master?


Michael Heiming wrote:

> Martin Blume <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>"WWW" <(E-Mail Removed)> schrieb
>>
>>>I'd like to be able to transfer files between my Linux (Red Hat
>>>7) and XP computers at home. Don't know how, hardware or
>>>software.
>
> [..]
>
>
>>If you exchange often and big files, you'd be better off buying
>>two network cards, a hub / switch, two cables and connect the two
>>computers together. The process is relatively painless (don't know
>
> [..]
>
> Ack, but then you don't need a hub/switch with two boxes, a
> crossover network cable and two NICs will work fine, the OP
> should be able to get two 10MBit PCI cards for virtually nothing.
>
>
>>>I can write directly to the serial port with e.g. "cat
>>>/dev/ttyS0", but I think XP is expecting to receive TCP/IP
>>>packets, not simple ascii transmission.
>
>
>>You could use a serial null-modem cable and transfer with any
>>serial modem connection program (hyperterm, minicom, kermit).
>
>
> Yep, that should work, but 115000 bit/sec won't be really fast.
> Getting some cheapo (+supported) NICs should be the best advice.
>

Jhuola Hoptire <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

( top posting fixed )

> Michael Heiming wrote:

> I have two laptops here. One has XP and the other one is
> getting Fedora (was Win 2000).
> I have a USB-USB network bridge cable(NET-LinQ) that I
> currently have a TCP/IP connection between the two boxes
> using 192.168.0 address at either end).
> Do I have any hope of getting the Linux (to be, tonight)
> box to connect to the XP box? Will I have to learn how to
> rebuild the kernel, compile code and other such things that
> I have yet to master?

Why do you want to recompile the kernel, all you need to do is
probably checking that the proper USB modules are loaded and
configure pppd for your USB device.

However, I'd get some cheapo NICs, you can even get halfway
decent 100 Mbit NICs for a few bucks. For large file transfers
USB (1) usually sucks.

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WWW wrote:

> I'd like to be able to transfer files between my Linux (Red Hat 7) and XP
> computers at home. Don't know how, hardware or software.
>
> XP has a wizard that lets me define connections on a printer port, a
> serial
> port, or a modem. I have defined an incoming connection, but don't know
> how to use it.

The easiest method would be to use an ethernet cable between them. If you
don't have a hub or switch, you'll need a cross over cable.

>
> Linux has things like FTP and telnet, but both of them require an internet
> address. What's the internet address of another home computer? I can
> write directly to the serial port with e.g. "cat >/dev/ttyS0", but I think
> XP is expecting to receive TCP/IP packets, not simple ascii transmission.

Use Samba on Linux to network with XP. You could also set up an ftp server
on Linux
>
> Hardware:
>
> I have a printer cable that will plug into my XP printer port (25-pin),
> and
> at the other end, into my Linux serial port (9-pin). Is this a usable
> connection?

If you absolutely have to go this route, you'll need a "null modem" cable
and run ppp to connect.
>
> I could get a cable with 9 pins at each end, plus a null modem, to connect
> serial ports on the two boxes.
>
> I could get a modem for my Linux box and connect it to the modem in my XP
> box with an ordinary phone wire.
>
> Can anybody suggest a plan?

Ethernet & Samba or ftp.


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Yes that would be nice (and easy too, I have just
completed the Fedora install and most stuff seems to
work, including my PCMCIA network card- once it is
removed and reinserted after booting), but I have no
place free to install a NIC. USB is my only option short
of buying docking stations or some sort of replicator
etc...

Has anyone tried this. It looks a bit promising, because
in Security Level Configuration, I see a device called usb0
frouped with eth0, so something's worked! But when i do an
ifconfig, I just see eth0 and lo.

Unfortunately Hardware Browser just chrashes. I'll now look
into your pppd suggestion.

Any other ideas on what I should try next?




Michael Heiming wrote:

> Jhuola Hoptire <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> ( top posting fixed )
>
>
>>Michael Heiming wrote:
>
>
>>I have two laptops here. One has XP and the other one is
>>getting Fedora (was Win 2000).
>>I have a USB-USB network bridge cable(NET-LinQ) that I
>>currently have a TCP/IP connection between the two boxes
>>using 192.168.0 address at either end).
>>Do I have any hope of getting the Linux (to be, tonight)
>>box to connect to the XP box? Will I have to learn how to
>>rebuild the kernel, compile code and other such things that
>>I have yet to master?
>
>
> Why do you want to recompile the kernel, all you need to do is
> probably checking that the proper USB modules are loaded and
> configure pppd for your USB device.
>
> However, I'd get some cheapo NICs, you can even get halfway
> decent 100 Mbit NICs for a few bucks. For large file transfers
> USB (1) usually sucks.
>

Yes that would be nice (and easy too, I have just
completed the Fedora install and most stuff seems to
work, including my PCMCIA network card- once it is
removed and reinserted after booting), but I have no
place free to install a NIC. USB is my only option short
of buying docking stations or some sort of replicator
etc...

Has anyone tried this. It looks a bit promising, because
in Security Level Configuration, I see a device called usb0
frouped with eth0, so something's worked! But when i do an
ifconfig, I just see eth0 and lo.

Unfortunately Hardware Browser just chrashes. I'll now look
into your pppd suggestion.

Any other ideas on what I should try next?


Michael Heiming wrote:

> Jhuola Hoptire <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> ( top posting fixed )
>
>
>>Michael Heiming wrote:
>
>
>>I have two laptops here. One has XP and the other one is
>>getting Fedora (was Win 2000).
>>I have a USB-USB network bridge cable(NET-LinQ) that I
>>currently have a TCP/IP connection between the two boxes
>>using 192.168.0 address at either end).
>>Do I have any hope of getting the Linux (to be, tonight)
>>box to connect to the XP box? Will I have to learn how to
>>rebuild the kernel, compile code and other such things that
>>I have yet to master?
>
>
> Why do you want to recompile the kernel, all you need to do is
> probably checking that the proper USB modules are loaded and
> configure pppd for your USB device.
>
> However, I'd get some cheapo NICs, you can even get halfway
> decent 100 Mbit NICs for a few bucks. For large file transfers
> USB (1) usually sucks.
>