file sharing between ubuntu and leopard

I have a Mac running OS X Leopard and a Toshiba M50 running Ubuntu
7.10 gutsy and I was trying to share files between the two. I have
installed the file sharing drivers/files (i.e. Samba) and am able to
see the network connection on my Mac but connecting to it is another
thing. How do I fix this problem? I don't know if this is this is
related to this issue but I am also having difficulties with hosting
games over the network, I want to host games on my Toshiba but the
other machines on the network (the Mac) are not allowed (or able) to
connect to it. Please help otherwise I will have to return to
Windows :S
Thanks
Munkeyjunkey

On Feb 25, 2:09*am, Munkeyjunkey <munkeyjunke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a Mac running OS X Leopard and a Toshiba M50 running Ubuntu
> 7.10 gutsy and I was trying to share files between the two. *I have
> installed the file sharing drivers/files (i.e. Samba) and am able to
> see the network connection on my Mac but connecting to it is another
> thing. *How do I fix this problem? *I don't know if this is this is
> related to this issue but I am also having difficulties with hosting
> games over the network, I want to host games on my Toshiba but the
> other machines on the network (the Mac) are not allowed (or able) to
> connect to it. *Please help otherwise I will have to return to
> Windows :S
> Thanks
> Munkeyjunkey

Oh and I forgot to mention I also setup shares on the Toshiba I just
can't access them on the Mac from the above stated reasons.

Munkeyjunkey wrote:
> Oh and I forgot to mention I also setup shares on the Toshiba I just
> can't access them on the Mac from the above stated reasons.

What reasons? You gave *no* reasons, other than I can't connect. Do
better, and we'll try harder to help.

What have you tried *exactly*?
What were the errors *exactly*?
Do you have firewalls? Turn them off first to check if that's the
problem, or allow those ports to open.
Many ways to connect from Mac to Linux and visa versa. Have you tried
them all? SSH, SMB, NFS, etc.

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On Feb 25, 2:59*am, johnny bobby bee <useraddshine-
no_spam...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Munkeyjunkey wrote:
> > Oh and I forgot to mention I also setup shares on the Toshiba I just
> > can't access them on the Mac from the above stated reasons.
>
> What reasons? You gave *no* reasons, other than I can't connect. Do
> better, and we'll try harder to help.
>
> What have you tried *exactly*?
> What were the errors *exactly*?
> Do you have firewalls? Turn them off first to check if that's the
> problem, or allow those ports to open.
> Many ways to connect from Mac to Linux and visa versa. Have you tried
> them all? SSH, SMB, NFS, etc.
>
> --
> As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be
> glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
> and this we should do freely and generously.
> --Benjamin Franklin

I don't have any firewalls and I don't know all the ways to connect
between those operating systems, I;m kind of a noob at this. I only
tried SMB and when I try to connect to ubuntu from leopard it says
connection failed. When I try to connect in games it says unable to
connect. the only reason I can think of is that on the ubuntu side
the permissions for networking might be too high other than that I
have no clue.

Munkeyjunkey wrote:

> I have a Mac running OS X Leopard and a Toshiba M50 running
> Ubuntu
> 7.10 gutsy and I was trying to share files between the two. I
> have installed the file sharing drivers/files (i.e. Samba)

Samba implements CIFS, which is used by Windows. For MacOS X you
want to have an Apple-Talk server. Netatalk implements this:

-> http://netatalk.sf.net

To make the shares appear in the Finder you also need to install
avahi:

-> http://avahi.org

There's a HOWTO for Gentoo, but the scheme is the same for all
distributions:

-> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Share_Directories_via_AFP

Wolfgang Draxinger
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Wolfgang Draxinger wrote:
> Munkeyjunkey wrote:
>
>> I have a Mac running OS X Leopard and a Toshiba M50 running
>> Ubuntu
>> 7.10 gutsy and I was trying to share files between the two. I
>> have installed the file sharing drivers/files (i.e. Samba)
>
> Samba implements CIFS, which is used by Windows. For MacOS X you
> want to have an Apple-Talk server.

No; OSX does CIFS as well.

Robert

Netatalk implements this:
>
> -> http://netatalk.sf.net
>
> To make the shares appear in the Finder you also need to install
> avahi:
>
> -> http://avahi.org
>
> There's a HOWTO for Gentoo, but the scheme is the same for all
> distributions:
>
> -> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Share_Directories_via_AFP
>
> Wolfgang Draxinger

Robert Harris wrote:

> Wolfgang Draxinger wrote:
>> Munkeyjunkey wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Mac running OS X Leopard and a Toshiba M50 running
>>> Ubuntu
>>> 7.10 gutsy and I was trying to share files between the two.
>>> I have installed the file sharing drivers/files (i.e. Samba)
>>
>> Samba implements CIFS, which is used by Windows. For MacOS X
>> you want to have an Apple-Talk server.
>
> No; OSX does CIFS as well.

Yes it does, as OS X ships with Samba. However installing
Netatalk is IMHO the better solution. A few weeks ago I
installed a 4TiB NAS system at a photographer.

By using Netatalk and Avahi its use is completely hassle free.
Connect the Server to the network, let it fetch an IP and wait a
few seconds for Avahi to announce it. On all connected Macs the
Volume appears in the Finder from where you can use it directly,
after you logged in.

Wolfgang Draxinger
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On 2008-02-26, Wolfgang Draxinger <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> Yes it does, as OS X ships with Samba. However installing
> Netatalk is IMHO the better solution. A few weeks ago I
> installed a 4TiB NAS system at a photographer.
>
> By using Netatalk and Avahi its use is completely hassle free.
> Connect the Server to the network, let it fetch an IP and wait a
> few seconds for Avahi to announce it. On all connected Macs the
> Volume appears in the Finder from where you can use it directly,
> after you logged in.

Why do you think Netatalk is better than CIFS for OS X->linux file
sharing? Using CIFS is also hassle-free, since you don't have to
install Avahi on your OS X clients. The only piece of information you
need is the CIFS name of the file server. Once connected, you can
create a shortcut on the OS X desktop so you can reconnect without going
through the Finder. And, as far as I know, netatalk is currently
unmaintained, though there may be more recent versions floating around
somewhere. The only compelling reason I can think of to use netatalk
instead of Samba is if you also have OS < X machines on your network,
which don't (easily) support CIFS or NFS.

--keith

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Keith Keller wrote:

> Why do you think Netatalk is better than CIFS for OS X->linux
> file sharing? Using CIFS is also hassle-free, since you don't
> have to install Avahi on your OS X clients.

You don't have to. Avahi is just an implementation of Bonjour,
which is the foundation of all the Network Plug and Play Apple
Computers provide. Or in other words: A deamon for this is
already preinstalled on Macs.

It's all on the Linux side, and I don't see a sane reason, why
one should use a Microsoft propritary protocol to connect
systems that are both not Microsoft.

NFS is another option, but getting Netatalk to work is IMHO
simpler (and NFS is simple enough already). Also Netatalk allows
to configure quite sophisticated authentication methods,
something that NFS doesn't have.

> The only piece of information you need is the CIFS name of the
> file server. Once connected, you can create a shortcut on the
> OS X desktop so you can reconnect without going through the
> Finder.

Volumes shared by Netatalk can also put on the Desktop. The
Finder is just the way to access them in the first place. And
unlike with CIFS, the Netatalk Volumes are announced in the
network, i.e. no need to know the exact name of the server.

> And, as far as I know, netatalk is currently unmaintained,
> though there may be more recent versions floating around
> somewhere.

If it works, why not use it?

Wolfgang Draxinger
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On 2008-02-26, Wolfgang Draxinger <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> It's all on the Linux side, and I don't see a sane reason, why
> one should use a Microsoft propritary protocol to connect
> systems that are both not Microsoft.

Well, I use NFS. But many organizations will already have a working
Samba server, so to install another sharing protocol to share with OS X
will seem silly compared to simply mounting the Samba share.

> NFS is another option, but getting Netatalk to work is IMHO
> simpler (and NFS is simple enough already). Also Netatalk allows
> to configure quite sophisticated authentication methods,
> something that NFS doesn't have.

True, though NFSv4 is supposed to. (I don't know any non-devel NFSv4
implementations for linux.) But not all networks need those
authentication methods, and if they do, and already have Samba working,
then they likely have everything they need.

>> And, as far as I know, netatalk is currently unmaintained,
>> though there may be more recent versions floating around
>> somewhere.
>
> If it works, why not use it?

If there's a bug, who will fix it? I know I couldn't. This is probably
the biggest drawback to netatalk. The other is, of course, that it only
supports AFP, and thus only OS X clients. If all you have is OS X
clients, great! If not, I'd prefer not to introduce yet another
filesharing protocol to my network. (As it is, IRL I support Samba and
NFS, so the minor advantages netatalk provides don't outweigh the extra
sysadmin effort and complexity it would introduce.)

--keith


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