Fibre cable breaks

Any one know anything about recent fibre cable breaks in the Birmingham,
Sheffield or York areas around 14th and 21st June or any problems that might
have affected these areas?

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:39:29 +0100, "Nicola Redwood"
<nicolaexternal-(E-Mail Removed)> mused:

>Any one know anything about recent fibre cable breaks in the Birmingham,
>Sheffield or York areas around 14th and 21st June or any problems that might
>have affected these areas?
>
The rain?
--
Regards,
Stuart.

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:39:29 +0100, "Nicola Redwood"
<nicolaexternal-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Any one know anything about recent fibre cable breaks in the Birmingham,
>Sheffield or York areas around 14th and 21st June or any problems that might
>have affected these areas?

Its just more Jackanory from Be - the network (Level3 side of it
anyway) has been fucked sideways for 10 days now. Be will just give
out a load more crap about upgrades (which don't happen despite what
the forum luvvies claim). Packet loss to Europe and the USA is running
at an average of 9% here. Do Be give a toss? They don't even
understand there is a problem.

There is NO POINT in phoning them as support have no more idea about
what is wrong than my (long dead) great aunt Agnes.

Be are a joke IMVHO. Not a funny one either - certainly not for me who
has the choice of Be, overcontended (massively) BT ADSL or Talk Talk.
Much as I despise Virgin I'd be willing to give them a try but they're
not here.

Maybe even you are beginning to see a problem? Hmmm?

"Lurch" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:39:29 +0100, "Nicola Redwood"
> <nicolaexternal-(E-Mail Removed)> mused:
>
>>Any one know anything about recent fibre cable breaks in the Birmingham,
>>Sheffield or York areas around 14th and 21st June or any problems that
>>might
>>have affected these areas?
>>
> The rain?
> --
> Regards,
> Stuart.

Indeed
Certainly the Birmingham problem appears to have been caused by heavy rain
causing damage to 2 cables between Edgbaston and Birmingham South exchanges
Still don't know about the York / Sheffield problem though which occurred
around the 14th June

"Mr Adams" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:39:29 +0100, "Nicola Redwood"
> <nicolaexternal-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Any one know anything about recent fibre cable breaks in the Birmingham,
>>Sheffield or York areas around 14th and 21st June or any problems that
>>might
>>have affected these areas?
>
> Its just more Jackanory from Be - the network (Level3 side of it
> anyway) has been fucked sideways for 10 days now. Be will just give
> out a load more crap about upgrades (which don't happen despite what
> the forum luvvies claim). Packet loss to Europe and the USA is running
> at an average of 9% here. Do Be give a toss? They don't even
> understand there is a problem.
>
> There is NO POINT in phoning them as support have no more idea about
> what is wrong than my (long dead) great aunt Agnes.
>
> Be are a joke IMVHO. Not a funny one either - certainly not for me who
> has the choice of Be, overcontended (massively) BT ADSL or Talk Talk.
> Much as I despise Virgin I'd be willing to give them a try but they're
> not here.
>
> Maybe even you are beginning to see a problem? Hmmm?
>

No problems here apart from degraded copper from BT
What has the above got to do with cable breaks?
There is a congested link between Manchester and London, which is being
upgraded in the next 3 weeks hopefully. Again delayed due to BT, as it was
supposed to be in place by June 10th
When I want to browse, download, watch video content I want to do so at the
optimum speed my line can take 24/7 which I can do with Be
I wouldn't be able to with the traffic shaping from Virgin

Nicola Redwood wrote:

> No problems here apart from degraded copper from BT

You sure it isn't the dreaded ali which so many of us have to deal
with.

> What has the above got to do with cable breaks?
> There is a congested link between Manchester and London, which is
> being upgraded in the next 3 weeks hopefully. Again delayed due to
> BT,

Bt or some other contractor??

> as it was supposed to be in place by June 10th
> When I want to browse, download, watch video content I want to do
> so at the optimum speed my line can take 24/7 which I can do with Be

Never heard of the word contention or even congestion, it's not just
the local links which can & do often slow you down or are you trying
to say that it's my ISP's fault I can't log into that Taiwan site when
the _world_wide_network is busy...

> I wouldn't be able to with the traffic shaping from Virgin

You appear to be a very self centred, out of contact with reality type
of user. Things will always slow down, no matter what when it's peak
usage times & blaming it on BT just shows how little you know, as
there are a few companies now who supply back bone bandwidth in this
country, not just BT. Hell the problem may not even be in this
country anyway. I've had problems in the past, slow speeds to certain
UK sites etc & when I traced the route(s) it was being bounced across
the 'pond' & back by the carrier (not my ISP)

"Kraftee" <kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote in message
news:f5k5cb$flg$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Nicola Redwood wrote:
>
>> No problems here apart from degraded copper from BT
>
> You sure it isn't the dreaded ali which so many of us have to deal with.

No ali here - had that confirmed by an Openreach engineer.

>
>> What has the above got to do with cable breaks?
>> There is a congested link between Manchester and London, which is
>> being upgraded in the next 3 weeks hopefully. Again delayed due to
>> BT,
>
> Bt or some other contractor??

BT - this was posted in the official from

>
>> as it was supposed to be in place by June 10th
>> When I want to browse, download, watch video content I want to do
>> so at the optimum speed my line can take 24/7 which I can do with Be
>
> Never heard of the word contention or even congestion, it's not just the
> local links which can & do often slow you down or are you trying to say
> that it's my ISP's fault I can't log into that Taiwan site when the
> _world_wide_network is busy...

Yes, I know what congestion and contention are and I'm not saying I haven't
seen any whilst on Be as I have, but certainly not to the same level as on
IPstream with BT. There are approx 4 other Be users on my exchange. It is
the unfortunate case that the Be infrastructure has not been upgraded to
sufficient level in the North as it has in the South East & London


>
>> I wouldn't be able to with the traffic shaping from Virgin
>
> You appear to be a very self centred, out of contact with reality type of
> user. Things will always slow down, no matter what when it's peak usage
> times & blaming it on BT just shows how little you know, as there are a
> few companies now who supply back bone bandwidth in this country, not just
> BT. Hell the problem may not even be in this country anyway. I've had
> problems in the past, slow speeds to certain UK sites etc & when I traced
> the route(s) it was being bounced across the 'pond' & back by the carrier
> (not my ISP)
>
>
>
Not at all - I accept that there will very likely be no such thing as a
totally unlimited, non-traffic shaped, non-capped broadband service in the
future, but I don't have that at the moment. If it happens, so be it - it
will be for good reason.
Yes, there are other backhaul suppliers and Be have 3 suppliers as far as
I'm aware, but it just happens in the stuff I've mentioned above the
supplier has been BT.
Don't get me wrong - I have a lot of repsect for the engineers and the one
who visited me did a brilliant job, just not the upper realms of management
within BT.
They do have some dodgy peering arrangements, but this is not exclusive to
Be and I've seen this to be the case with several other smaller ISP's

"Nicola Redwood" <nicolaexternal-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:f5kef9$ecr$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "Kraftee" <kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:f5k5cb$flg$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Nicola Redwood wrote:
>>
>>> No problems here apart from degraded copper from BT
>>
>> You sure it isn't the dreaded ali which so many of us have to deal with.
>
> No ali here - had that confirmed by an Openreach engineer.
>
>>
>>> What has the above got to do with cable breaks?
>>> There is a congested link between Manchester and London, which is
>>> being upgraded in the next 3 weeks hopefully. Again delayed due to
>>> BT,
>>
>> Bt or some other contractor??
>
> BT - this was posted in the official from
>
>>
>>> as it was supposed to be in place by June 10th
>>> When I want to browse, download, watch video content I want to do
>>> so at the optimum speed my line can take 24/7 which I can do with Be
>>
>> Never heard of the word contention or even congestion, it's not just the
>> local links which can & do often slow you down or are you trying to say
>> that it's my ISP's fault I can't log into that Taiwan site when the
>> _world_wide_network is busy...
>
> Yes, I know what congestion and contention are and I'm not saying I
> haven't seen any whilst on Be as I have, but certainly not to the same
> level as on IPstream with BT. There are approx 4 other Be users on my
> exchange. It is the unfortunate case that the Be infrastructure has not
> been upgraded to sufficient level in the North as it has in the South East
> & London
>
>
>>
>>> I wouldn't be able to with the traffic shaping from Virgin
>>
>> You appear to be a very self centred, out of contact with reality type of
>> user. Things will always slow down, no matter what when it's peak usage
>> times & blaming it on BT just shows how little you know, as there are a
>> few companies now who supply back bone bandwidth in this country, not
>> just BT. Hell the problem may not even be in this country anyway. I've
>> had problems in the past, slow speeds to certain UK sites etc & when I
>> traced the route(s) it was being bounced across the 'pond' & back by the
>> carrier (not my ISP)
>>
>>
>>
> Not at all - I accept that there will very likely be no such thing as a
> totally unlimited, non-traffic shaped, non-capped broadband service in the
> future, but I don't have that at the moment. If it happens, so be it - it
> will be for good reason.
> Yes, there are other backhaul suppliers and Be have 3 suppliers as far as
> I'm aware, but it just happens in the stuff I've mentioned above the
> supplier has been BT.
> Don't get me wrong - I have a lot of repsect for the engineers and the one
> who visited me did a brilliant job, just not the upper realms of
> management within BT.
> They do have some dodgy peering arrangements, but this is not exclusive to
> Be and I've seen this to be the case with several other smaller ISP's
>

BTW I'm not saying I want to download 24/7 or anything - just if I go to do
something at 10am I can do it at the exact same speed at 7pm - no loss of
performance. At this time, I can do that with Be

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:22:22 +0100, "Nicola Redwood"
<nicolaexternal-(E-Mail Removed)> mused:

>
>"Lurch" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:39:29 +0100, "Nicola Redwood"
>> <nicolaexternal-(E-Mail Removed)> mused:
>>
>>>Any one know anything about recent fibre cable breaks in the Birmingham,
>>>Sheffield or York areas around 14th and 21st June or any problems that
>>>might
>>>have affected these areas?
>>>
>> The rain?
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Stuart.
>
>Indeed
>Certainly the Birmingham problem appears to have been caused by heavy rain
>causing damage to 2 cables between Edgbaston and Birmingham South exchanges
>Still don't know about the York / Sheffield problem though which occurred
>around the 14th June
>
The rain in the North?
--
Regards,
Stuart.