Faxing out on ADSL without a dialup "voice" modem, is it possible?

My question is in the subject line, I seems I need my voice modem to fax
and to act once again as my answer machine. I would really rather
dispense with it as I can always get an ordinary dedicated answer
machine, except it seems I am also unable to use my WinFax Pro to fax
without a voice modem.
Surely there must be a way around this yes, no?
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Derrick Fawsitt

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
Derrick Fawsitt <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> My question is in the subject line, I seems I need my voice modem to fax
> and to act once again as my answer machine. I would really rather
> dispense with it as I can always get an ordinary dedicated answer
> machine, except it seems I am also unable to use my WinFax Pro to fax
> without a voice modem.
> Surely there must be a way around this yes, no?

No.

An ADSL modem does not have the capability to generate fax signals, nor
to dial numbers. You still need the old modem. There is no reason why
you can't also have a separate answering machine if you want. You just
set the modem not to answer the line when it rings.

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Your options are basically to continue to run your regular modem on the
voice side of the ADSL line (as I do with Talkworks Pro) OR change your ISP
to one that supports Fax2Email capability (as per here:
http://www.plus.net/info2/compare/mo...html#Fax2email )

Paul
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"Derrick Fawsitt" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> My question is in the subject line, I seems I need my voice modem to fax
> and to act once again as my answer machine. I would really rather
> dispense with it as I can always get an ordinary dedicated answer
> machine, except it seems I am also unable to use my WinFax Pro to fax
> without a voice modem.
> Surely there must be a way around this yes, no?
> --
> Derrick Fawsitt

In message <eW_Mb.14516$(E-Mail Removed)>, Paul Murphy
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>Your options are basically to continue to run your regular modem on the
>voice side
Not sure of what this means, sorry.
> of the ADSL line
> (as I do with Talkworks Pro) OR change your ISP
>to one that supports Fax2Email capability (as per here:
>http://www.plus.net/info2/compare/mo...html#Fax2email )
>
Yes, but its not receiving faxes that is the problem as although PlusNet
has the facility to provide me with a fax number to take in faxes as
email, its "sending" them that is the problem.
I see on the net that there is email to fax for free available but so
far I have not been able to sort out the "wheat from the chaff".
>Paul
However, thank you Paul for bothering, much appreciated.


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Derrick Fawsitt

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Paul Murphy <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Your options are basically to continue to run your regular modem on
> the voice side of the ADSL line (as I do with Talkworks Pro) OR
> change your ISP to one that supports Fax2Email capability (as per
> here: http://www.plus.net/info2/compare/mo...html#Fax2email )
>
> Paul

Fax2email would deal with incoming faxes only AIUI. He'd still have to use
the analog fax-modem on the voice line for outgoing faxes.
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In message <(E-Mail Removed)>, Derrick Fawsitt
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

>My question is in the subject line, I seems I need my voice modem to
>fax and to act once again as my answer machine. I would really rather
>dispense with it as I can always get an ordinary dedicated answer
>machine, except it seems I am also unable to use my WinFax Pro to fax
>without a voice modem.
>Surely there must be a way around this yes, no?

<http://fax.co.uk/index.htm?ge2f>

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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:34:08 +0000, Derrick Fawsitt
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>In message <eW_Mb.14516$(E-Mail Removed)>, Paul Murphy
><(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>>Your options are basically to continue to run your regular modem on the
>>voice side
>Not sure of what this means, sorry.

it means "use your analog modem like you used to do to fax"

>> of the ADSL line
>> (as I do with Talkworks Pro) OR change your ISP
>>to one that supports Fax2Email capability (as per here:
>>http://www.plus.net/info2/compare/mo...html#Fax2email )
>>
>Yes, but its not receiving faxes that is the problem as although PlusNet
>has the facility to provide me with a fax number to take in faxes as
>email, its "sending" them that is the problem.

then use your faxmodem!

>I see on the net that there is email to fax for free available but so
>far I have not been able to sort out the "wheat from the chaff".

there's a few free ones, but they're hardly worth the bother - if you
have a faxmodem, just use it.

In message <bu1vd9$co48m$(E-Mail Removed)>, Tiscali Tim
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>Paul Murphy <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Your options are basically to continue to run your regular modem on
>> the voice side of the ADSL line (as I do with Talkworks Pro) OR
>> change your ISP to one that supports Fax2Email capability (as per
>> here: http://www.plus.net/info2/compare/mo...html#Fax2email )
>>
>> Paul
>
>Fax2email would deal with incoming faxes only AIUI. He'd still have to use
>the analog fax-modem on the voice line for outgoing faxes.
Thanks Paul, that's what I was trying to say. I am now fully ADSL and I
would not for worlds so back to dialup. However, I have lost two things,
my voice modem acted as an answer machine and also enabled me to use
WinFax Pro to send faxes. I have been having trouble getting my Robotics
3Com voice modem to work alongside my new one.
For one thing, I have now to plug in the ADSL modem to the telephone
socket together with the phone, all via the filter provided by PlusNet.
If that were all then it would only be a problem for me to get the 3Com
software working, but I also have to connect the voice modem's telephone
line into the selfsame socket and I don't have a place to do it. Do I
stick yet another filter in to the socket to facilitate the old modem,
even when I did that I got problems with the ADSL going down.
I am afraid I am going to throw in the towel and hand over to an expert
to configure the whole thing and in the meantime be faxless and answer
machine less, what a state of things.
Sorry for boring everyone with that rigmarole but its just to indicate
what it can be like when you are not an expert and are trying to cope
without proper help from the support chaps in your ISP's tech help.
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Derrick Fawsitt

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Derrick Fawsitt <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> In message <bu1vd9$co48m$(E-Mail Removed)>, Tiscali Tim
> <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>> Paul Murphy <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> Your options are basically to continue to run your regular modem on
>>> the voice side of the ADSL line (as I do with Talkworks Pro) OR
>>> change your ISP to one that supports Fax2Email capability (as per
>>> here: http://www.plus.net/info2/compare/mo...html#Fax2email )
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> Fax2email would deal with incoming faxes only AIUI. He'd still have
>> to use the analog fax-modem on the voice line for outgoing faxes.
> Thanks Paul, that's what I was trying to say. I am now fully ADSL and
> I would not for worlds so back to dialup. However, I have lost two
> things, my voice modem acted as an answer machine and also enabled me
> to use WinFax Pro to send faxes. I have been having trouble getting
> my Robotics 3Com voice modem to work alongside my new one.
> For one thing, I have now to plug in the ADSL modem to the telephone
> socket together with the phone, all via the filter provided by
> PlusNet. If that were all then it would only be a problem for me to
> get the 3Com software working, but I also have to connect the voice
> modem's telephone line into the selfsame socket and I don't have a
> place to do it. Do I stick yet another filter in to the socket to
> facilitate the old modem, even when I did that I got problems with
> the ADSL going down.
> I am afraid I am going to throw in the towel and hand over to an
> expert to configure the whole thing and in the meantime be faxless
> and answer machine less, what a state of things.
> Sorry for boring everyone with that rigmarole but its just to indicate
> what it can be like when you are not an expert and are trying to cope
> without proper help from the support chaps in your ISP's tech help.


I don't quite understand the problem!

Before ADSL, you had an ordinary phone socket into which your analog fax
modem plugged, right? You also had a phone plugged in - so you must have had
a 2-way adaptor or another socket somewhere, right? Or maybe the phone
plugged into the modem? Your modem served as your means of connecting to the
internet, and also as an answering machine and fax device, right?

Now you've got ADSL, you've got an ADSL filter/splitter plugged into the
phone socket, right? Your ADSL modem is connected to the ADSL output on this
filter, and is now your means of connecting to the internet, right? You can
plug your old fax/modem into the (filtered) phone output on your ADSL
filter. If you use a 2-way adaptor in this socket (you may need a short
extension lead first if it won't plug in directly) you can also plug a phone
in. Or if your phone was previously plugged into the modem, do that.

You can continue to use the anwerphone and fax software with your fax/modem
exactly as before. The only thing which has changed is that your internet
connection now needs to point to your ADSL modem rather than to the dial-up
connection with your old modem.

Surely, it's as simple as that - or am I missing something?
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In message <bu3b4o$d1imm$(E-Mail Removed)>, Tiscali Tim
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>
>I don't quite understand the problem!
>
>Before ADSL, you had an ordinary phone socket into which your analog fax
>modem plugged, right?
Right.
>You also had a phone plugged in - so you must have had
>a 2-way adaptor or another socket somewhere, right?
Correct
> Or maybe the phone
>plugged into the modem?
No, the modem tel. connection went directly to the socket.
> Your modem served as your means of connecting to the
>internet, and also as an answering machine and fax device, right?
Correct again.
>
>Now you've got ADSL, you've got an ADSL filter/splitter plugged into the
>phone socket, right?
Absolutely correct.
> Your ADSL modem is connected to the ADSL output on this
>filter, and is now your means of connecting to the internet, right?
Top marks so far, 100 out of 100 ;-))
> You can
>plug your old fax/modem into the (filtered) phone output on your ADSL
>filter.
But that's my problem, I ain't got a hole to push it into, it has two
"holes", one square one which takes the tel. connection from the
Binatone ADSL modem and an elongated one that takes my phone.
> If you use a 2-way adaptor in this socket
Ahhhhh!!
>(you may need a short
>extension lead first if it won't plug in directly) you can also plug a phone
>in.
But I did do this, I used a two way adapter and therefore had three
telephone lines plugged in, one from the ADSL modem, one from the phone
and one from the voice modem. As I got noise on the telephone line and
was having line dropping problems I substituted the two way adapter for
the second filter I got from PlusNet thinking that was a better bet. I
then had more drop out problems "together" with trouble with the 3Com
software which would not reinstall the analog modem. Grrrrrr! I was seen
at twelve o'clock midnight walking around my garden contemplating the
fishpool and wondering was it deep enough to take the plunge!!!
> Or if your phone was previously plugged into the modem, do that.
No, but I don't think that is possible, I presume you mean the voice
modem. This is an interesting option which would mean I did not have to
mess around with extra adapters for the socket??
>
>You can continue to use the anwerphone and fax software with your fax/modem
>exactly as before. The only thing which has changed is that your internet
>connection now needs to point to your ADSL modem rather than to the dial-up
>connection with your old modem.
That I understand completely, in fact I did have them all working
together at the beginning, but got line drops from the ADSL, thought it
was the second modem interferring with it and pulled it out and
uninstalled the software, now of course it won't reinstall, what a mess.
>
>Surely, it's as simple as that - or am I missing something?
No, I am the one that's missing something, (no suggestions please), and
am wondering if I should bother anyone any more.
To sum up, I will work away on it for a while and hopefully all will
come right in the end.

Thanks Tim, my word I admire your patience with me and thanks to all the
others as well. I will forgo the dip in the pond for now
, but if you don't see me posting here again...................
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Derrick Fawsitt