Is this ever going to work?

Sorry folks, I've had a trawl though Google Groups etc to see if
anyone's already asked this but I don't seem to find exactly my
situation. So:

I have two desktop PCs with PCI wireless cards, both running XP Pro+SP2.
Between the two is a D-Link DSL-G604T router. One of the desktops has a
dialup ISDN internet connection. I do *not* have an ADSL connection (I
will one day, hence this router, but for the moment I'm confined to ISDN
for professional reasons and I can't afford both). I have Windows
Firewall activated on the ISDN and the LAN, also NAV (but not their
firewall).

Everything works wonderfully well file-sharing and printer-sharing-wise,
but I can't access the internet from the PC which doesn't have the
connection. I used to be able to, when I had no router, just the two PCs
set up as peer to peer. The router is there because I was having endless
radio signal problems without it, which it seems to have solved. I
assume that's just because it reduces the distances and the number of
walls/floors involved since I can see no other logical reason!

D-Link's help desk said I couldn't do it, but it was close to going home
time for them when I rang them and the person I spoke to inspired very
little confidence. Can any of you well informed people give me any help
on this?

TIA

Dave
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Dave Spencer

I'm doubtful there's any way to get that working. You might be able to do
something with ICS if you turn off DHCP on the router, but your best bet
would be a wireless router with ISDN capability like the one at
http://www.netgear.com/products/details/FWG114P.php
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"Dave Spencer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Sorry folks, I've had a trawl though Google Groups etc to see if anyone's
> already asked this but I don't seem to find exactly my situation. So:
>
> I have two desktop PCs with PCI wireless cards, both running XP Pro+SP2.
> Between the two is a D-Link DSL-G604T router. One of the desktops has a
> dialup ISDN internet connection. I do *not* have an ADSL connection (I
> will one day, hence this router, but for the moment I'm confined to ISDN
> for professional reasons and I can't afford both). I have Windows Firewall
> activated on the ISDN and the LAN, also NAV (but not their firewall).
>
> Everything works wonderfully well file-sharing and printer-sharing-wise,
> but I can't access the internet from the PC which doesn't have the
> connection. I used to be able to, when I had no router, just the two PCs
> set up as peer to peer. The router is there because I was having endless
> radio signal problems without it, which it seems to have solved. I assume
> that's just because it reduces the distances and the number of
> walls/floors involved since I can see no other logical reason!
>
> D-Link's help desk said I couldn't do it, but it was close to going home
> time for them when I rang them and the person I spoke to inspired very
> little confidence. Can any of you well informed people give me any help on
> this?
>
> TIA
>
> Dave
> --
> Dave Spencer

Dave Spencer wrote:

> Sorry folks, I've had a trawl though Google Groups etc to see if
> anyone's already asked this but I don't seem to find exactly my
> situation. So:
>
> I have two desktop PCs with PCI wireless cards, both running XP Pro+SP2.
> Between the two is a D-Link DSL-G604T router. One of the desktops has a
> dialup ISDN internet connection. I do *not* have an ADSL connection (I
> will one day, hence this router, but for the moment I'm confined to ISDN
> for professional reasons and I can't afford both). I have Windows
> Firewall activated on the ISDN and the LAN, also NAV (but not their
> firewall).
>
> Everything works wonderfully well file-sharing and printer-sharing-wise,
> but I can't access the internet from the PC which doesn't have the
> connection. I used to be able to, when I had no router, just the two PCs
> set up as peer to peer. The router is there because I was having endless
> radio signal problems without it, which it seems to have solved. I
> assume that's just because it reduces the distances and the number of
> walls/floors involved since I can see no other logical reason!
>
> D-Link's help desk said I couldn't do it, but it was close to going home
> time for them when I rang them and the person I spoke to inspired very
> little confidence. Can any of you well informed people give me any help
> on this?
>
> TIA
>
> Dave

I don't see any reason why it WOULDN'T work. I assume that before you
had the router, you had the two PCs communicating in wireless ad-hoc
mode, had one of the PCs connected to the ISDN line, and activated ICS
on that PC.

Because your router can't connect to your ISDN line, you still have to
connect via the same PC, and you still have to share that connection
using ICS on that PC.

ICS essentially implements a router in software. Thus, your problem
most likely is caused by having two active routers on the network. What
you need to do is to turn the D-Link router into a switch (which is part
of what it is anyway).

Turn off the DHCP server in the D-Link. You also should not connect
anything to the router's WAN port. And you will need to set the
router's IP address to something other than 192.168.1.1 (which is what
ICS sets for itself). Most recommendations I've seen say to set it to
192.168.1.2.

http://tinyurl.com/cclwc describes how to connect two Linksys WRT54G
wireless routers together, but, as I said, I don't see why it won't work
with ICS as the "router" and your D-Link DSL-G604T as the "wireless
3-port switch."

Of course, the details of how to set up the D-Link will differ from the
Linksys, and you won't have to worry about conflicting SSIDs. The
advice to write down all your settings should not be ignored.

Lem wrote:
> Dave Spencer wrote:
>
>> Sorry folks, I've had a trawl though Google Groups etc to see if
>> anyone's already asked this but I don't seem to find exactly my
>> situation. So:
>>
>> I have two desktop PCs with PCI wireless cards, both running XP
>> Pro+SP2. Between the two is a D-Link DSL-G604T router. One of the
>> desktops has a dialup ISDN internet connection. I do *not* have an
>> ADSL connection (I will one day, hence this router, but for the moment
>> I'm confined to ISDN for professional reasons and I can't afford
>> both). I have Windows Firewall activated on the ISDN and the LAN, also
>> NAV (but not their firewall).
>>
>> Everything works wonderfully well file-sharing and
>> printer-sharing-wise, but I can't access the internet from the PC
>> which doesn't have the connection. I used to be able to, when I had no
>> router, just the two PCs set up as peer to peer. The router is there
>> because I was having endless radio signal problems without it, which
>> it seems to have solved. I assume that's just because it reduces the
>> distances and the number of walls/floors involved since I can see no
>> other logical reason!
>>
>> D-Link's help desk said I couldn't do it, but it was close to going
>> home time for them when I rang them and the person I spoke to inspired
>> very little confidence. Can any of you well informed people give me
>> any help on this?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Dave
>
>
> I don't see any reason why it WOULDN'T work. I assume that before you
> had the router, you had the two PCs communicating in wireless ad-hoc
> mode, had one of the PCs connected to the ISDN line, and activated ICS
> on that PC.
>
> Because your router can't connect to your ISDN line, you still have to
> connect via the same PC, and you still have to share that connection
> using ICS on that PC.
>
> ICS essentially implements a router in software. Thus, your problem
> most likely is caused by having two active routers on the network. What
> you need to do is to turn the D-Link router into a switch (which is part
> of what it is anyway).
>
> Turn off the DHCP server in the D-Link. You also should not connect
> anything to the router's WAN port. And you will need to set the
> router's IP address to something other than 192.168.1.1 (which is what
> ICS sets for itself). Most recommendations I've seen say to set it to
> 192.168.1.2.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cclwc describes how to connect two Linksys WRT54G
> wireless routers together, but, as I said, I don't see why it won't work
> with ICS as the "router" and your D-Link DSL-G604T as the "wireless
> 3-port switch."
>
> Of course, the details of how to set up the D-Link will differ from the
> Linksys, and you won't have to worry about conflicting SSIDs. The
> advice to write down all your settings should not be ignored.

After the above post, I took a look at the manual for the DSL-G604T. I
hadn't realized that it's a combination DSL modem/wireless router. This
makes things more complicated, but I still think you should be able to
make it work. I suggest staying away from "wizards" of all flavors, and
making the settings manually. If possible -- and I didn't spend a lot
of time studying the manual -- it would be nice to be able to turn off
the DSL/WAN interface, but it probably isn't necessary.

FYI, not all ISPs will accept any random DSL modem. Hopefully, if/when
you get DSL service, you will be able to use this piece of hardware.

In message <(E-Mail Removed)>, GTS <x@?.?.invalid>
writes
>I'm doubtful there's any way to get that working. You might be able to do
>something with ICS if you turn off DHCP on the router, but your best bet
>would be a wireless router with ISDN capability like the one at
>http://www.netgear.com/products/details/FWG114P.php
Looks like you're right. I turned off DHCP but no improvement. Thanks
for trying though.

D
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Dave Spencer