Entire Network Neighbourhood dissappears after refreshing the view

I have a client with a network with 22 Windows 98SE computers. When they
start up first, and you open "Network Neighbourhood", you can see all the
pc's listed, and all the XP machines, and the "Entire Network" icon.
If I refresh the view, or go into the "Entire Network" icon or one of the
pc's, when I go back, the whole newtork is gone, absolutley nothing.
closing down and reopening network neighbourhood doen't fix it.
The only thing that gets it back is restarting the computer, and ten you
have it only once again, so not really a fix.

I'm sure this is setting somewhere or something I need to add into Win98Se,
but what?

In network properties I have:
Client for MS networks
Dial Up adapter
the Network adapter
File & Printer sharing for MS
TCP//IP
NetBEUI

Is there anything I'm missing?
TCP/IP is using DHCP and works fine, it's just the network browsing. I tried
setting the Master Browser of one of the PC's, but still the same problem.

any solution?

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MCSE 2000

I apologise for the 3 instances of this, but IE came back twice saying there
was an error posting the question and that I shoud try again.


"Robert O'Connell" wrote:

> I have a client with a network with 22 Windows 98SE computers. When they
> start up first, and you open "Network Neighbourhood", you can see all the
> pc's listed, and all the XP machines, and the "Entire Network" icon.
> If I refresh the view, or go into the "Entire Network" icon or one of the
> pc's, when I go back, the whole newtork is gone, absolutley nothing.
> closing down and reopening network neighbourhood doen't fix it.
> The only thing that gets it back is restarting the computer, and ten you
> have it only once again, so not really a fix.
>
> I'm sure this is setting somewhere or something I need to add into Win98Se,
> but what?
>
> In network properties I have:
> Client for MS networks
> Dial Up adapter
> the Network adapter
> File & Printer sharing for MS
> TCP//IP
> NetBEUI
>
> Is there anything I'm missing?
> TCP/IP is using DHCP and works fine, it's just the network browsing. I tried
> setting the Master Browser of one of the PC's, but still the same problem.
>
> any solution?
>
> --
>
> --
> MCSE 2000

"Robert O'Connell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:76F47485-1741-44AD-A884-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I have a client with a network with 22 Windows 98SE computers. When they
> start up first, and you open "Network Neighbourhood", you can see all the
> pc's listed, and all the XP machines, and the "Entire Network" icon.
> If I refresh the view, or go into the "Entire Network" icon or one of the
> pc's, when I go back, the whole newtork is gone, absolutley nothing.
> closing down and reopening network neighbourhood doen't fix it.
> The only thing that gets it back is restarting the computer, and ten you
> have it only once again, so not really a fix.
>
> I'm sure this is setting somewhere or something I need to add into
> Win98Se,
> but what?
>
> In network properties I have:
> Client for MS networks
> Dial Up adapter
> the Network adapter
> File & Printer sharing for MS
> TCP//IP
> NetBEUI
>
> Is there anything I'm missing?
> TCP/IP is using DHCP and works fine, it's just the network browsing. I
> tried
> setting the Master Browser of one of the PC's, but still the same problem.
>
> any solution?
>
> --
>
> --
> MCSE 2000

you could disable the browser on all but one XP machine...then there would
be no "master browser selection" issues

I haven't actually tried disabling the broser function, on auto or enabled,
I'll try that.
Just in case that isn't a fix, anything else I coud try?

Haggis" wrote:

>
> "Robert O'Connell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message news:76F47485-1741-44AD-A884-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I have a client with a network with 22 Windows 98SE computers. When they
> > start up first, and you open "Network Neighbourhood", you can see all the
> > pc's listed, and all the XP machines, and the "Entire Network" icon.
> > If I refresh the view, or go into the "Entire Network" icon or one of the
> > pc's, when I go back, the whole newtork is gone, absolutley nothing.
> > closing down and reopening network neighbourhood doen't fix it.
> > The only thing that gets it back is restarting the computer, and ten you
> > have it only once again, so not really a fix.
> >
> > I'm sure this is setting somewhere or something I need to add into
> > Win98Se,
> > but what?
> >
> > In network properties I have:
> > Client for MS networks
> > Dial Up adapter
> > the Network adapter
> > File & Printer sharing for MS
> > TCP//IP
> > NetBEUI
> >
> > Is there anything I'm missing?
> > TCP/IP is using DHCP and works fine, it's just the network browsing. I
> > tried
> > setting the Master Browser of one of the PC's, but still the same problem.
> >
> > any solution?
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > MCSE 2000
>
> you could disable the browser on all but one XP machine...then there would
> be no "master browser selection" issues
>
>
>

"Robert O'Connell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:62AE1D10-24C2-48E5-AF6B-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I haven't actually tried disabling the broser function, on auto or enabled,
> I'll try that.
> Just in case that isn't a fix, anything else I coud try?
>
> Haggis" wrote:
>
>>
>> "Robert O'Connell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> message news:76F47485-1741-44AD-A884-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >I have a client with a network with 22 Windows 98SE computers. When they
>> > start up first, and you open "Network Neighbourhood", you can see all
>> > the
>> > pc's listed, and all the XP machines, and the "Entire Network" icon.
>> > If I refresh the view, or go into the "Entire Network" icon or one of
>> > the
>> > pc's, when I go back, the whole newtork is gone, absolutley nothing.
>> > closing down and reopening network neighbourhood doen't fix it.
>> > The only thing that gets it back is restarting the computer, and ten
>> > you
>> > have it only once again, so not really a fix.
>> >
>> > I'm sure this is setting somewhere or something I need to add into
>> > Win98Se,
>> > but what?
>> >
>> > In network properties I have:
>> > Client for MS networks
>> > Dial Up adapter
>> > the Network adapter
>> > File & Printer sharing for MS
>> > TCP//IP
>> > NetBEUI
>> >
>> > Is there anything I'm missing?
>> > TCP/IP is using DHCP and works fine, it's just the network browsing. I
>> > tried
>> > setting the Master Browser of one of the PC's, but still the same
>> > problem.
>> >
>> > any solution?
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > --
>> > MCSE 2000
>>
>> you could disable the browser on all but one XP machine...then there
>> would
>> be no "master browser selection" issues
>>
>>
>>

are you running firewall of any kind ...antivirus ?

have a look at #4 and #5 on this page ...might have something to do with
it..
http://www.careyholzman.com/

I am not running any firewall s/w at all.
I tried the Browser master thing but it did not work. But in the process of
doing so
I found out the problem has something to do with the 3 Win XP's on the
network.
I had NetBIOS enabled on them and when they were on the network I had my
original problem with the win98's. When I removed them form the network, the
win98's were perfect.

I then disabled NetBIOS on the XP's, and the Win98's can now always see only
ten other computers. They can see them over and over again, so it is
different to my original problem, but now I can only ever see 10 others, when
I want to see all.
Anyone know a fix for the XP's or Win98's to let them see all instead of the
10 PC limit I am getting?

"Haggis" wrote:

>
> "Robert O'Connell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message news:62AE1D10-24C2-48E5-AF6B-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I haven't actually tried disabling the broser function, on auto or enabled,
> > I'll try that.
> > Just in case that isn't a fix, anything else I coud try?
> >
> > Haggis" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Robert O'Connell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> >> message news:76F47485-1741-44AD-A884-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >I have a client with a network with 22 Windows 98SE computers. When they
> >> > start up first, and you open "Network Neighbourhood", you can see all
> >> > the
> >> > pc's listed, and all the XP machines, and the "Entire Network" icon.
> >> > If I refresh the view, or go into the "Entire Network" icon or one of
> >> > the
> >> > pc's, when I go back, the whole newtork is gone, absolutley nothing.
> >> > closing down and reopening network neighbourhood doen't fix it.
> >> > The only thing that gets it back is restarting the computer, and ten
> >> > you
> >> > have it only once again, so not really a fix.
> >> >
> >> > I'm sure this is setting somewhere or something I need to add into
> >> > Win98Se,
> >> > but what?
> >> >
> >> > In network properties I have:
> >> > Client for MS networks
> >> > Dial Up adapter
> >> > the Network adapter
> >> > File & Printer sharing for MS
> >> > TCP//IP
> >> > NetBEUI
> >> >
> >> > Is there anything I'm missing?
> >> > TCP/IP is using DHCP and works fine, it's just the network browsing. I
> >> > tried
> >> > setting the Master Browser of one of the PC's, but still the same
> >> > problem.
> >> >
> >> > any solution?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > MCSE 2000
> >>
> >> you could disable the browser on all but one XP machine...then there
> >> would
> >> be no "master browser selection" issues
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> are you running firewall of any kind ...antivirus ?
>
> have a look at #4 and #5 on this page ...might have something to do with
> it..
> http://www.careyholzman.com/
>
>
>

"Robert O'Connell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:0DBDDB1E-EB4F-4EF8-89E5-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I am not running any firewall s/w at all.
> I tried the Browser master thing but it did not work. But in the process
> of
> doing so
> I found out the problem has something to do with the 3 Win XP's on the
> network.
> I had NetBIOS enabled on them and when they were on the network I had my
> original problem with the win98's. When I removed them form the network,
> the
> win98's were perfect.
>
> I then disabled NetBIOS on the XP's, and the Win98's can now always see
> only
> ten other computers. They can see them over and over again, so it is
> different to my original problem, but now I can only ever see 10 others,
> when
> I want to see all.
> Anyone know a fix for the XP's or Win98's to let them see all instead of
> the
> 10 PC limit I am getting?
>
<snip>

you are running TCP/IP and Netbeui .....do you need Netbeui ? filesharing
enabled on both ? filesharing on more than one protocol can cause some very
strange problems

Well my aim is to have all the XP's and 98's seeing each other and I enabled
both in an attempt to do that. Is there a definitive list of settings I
should apply to get the two types of windows seeing each other. At least then
I can work on the "Ten PC's viewable only" problem.

"Haggis" wrote:

>
> "Robert O'Connell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message news:0DBDDB1E-EB4F-4EF8-89E5-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I am not running any firewall s/w at all.
> > I tried the Browser master thing but it did not work. But in the process
> > of
> > doing so
> > I found out the problem has something to do with the 3 Win XP's on the
> > network.
> > I had NetBIOS enabled on them and when they were on the network I had my
> > original problem with the win98's. When I removed them form the network,
> > the
> > win98's were perfect.
> >
> > I then disabled NetBIOS on the XP's, and the Win98's can now always see
> > only
> > ten other computers. They can see them over and over again, so it is
> > different to my original problem, but now I can only ever see 10 others,
> > when
> > I want to see all.
> > Anyone know a fix for the XP's or Win98's to let them see all instead of
> > the
> > 10 PC limit I am getting?
> >
> <snip>
>
> you are running TCP/IP and Netbeui .....do you need Netbeui ? filesharing
> enabled on both ? filesharing on more than one protocol can cause some very
> strange problems
>
>
>

"Robert O'Connell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:A4C596C3-CE46-4D0F-8F0F-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Well my aim is to have all the XP's and 98's seeing each other and I
> enabled
> both in an attempt to do that. Is there a definitive list of settings I
> should apply to get the two types of windows seeing each other. At least
> then
> I can work on the "Ten PC's viewable only" problem.
>
> "Haggis" wrote:
>
>>
>> "Robert O'Connell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> message news:0DBDDB1E-EB4F-4EF8-89E5-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >I am not running any firewall s/w at all.
>> > I tried the Browser master thing but it did not work. But in the
>> > process
>> > of
>> > doing so
>> > I found out the problem has something to do with the 3 Win XP's on the
>> > network.
>> > I had NetBIOS enabled on them and when they were on the network I had
>> > my
>> > original problem with the win98's. When I removed them form the
>> > network,
>> > the
>> > win98's were perfect.
>> >
>> > I then disabled NetBIOS on the XP's, and the Win98's can now always see
>> > only
>> > ten other computers. They can see them over and over again, so it is
>> > different to my original problem, but now I can only ever see 10
>> > others,
>> > when
>> > I want to see all.
>> > Anyone know a fix for the XP's or Win98's to let them see all instead
>> > of
>> > the
>> > 10 PC limit I am getting?
>> >
>> <snip>
>>
>> you are running TCP/IP and Netbeui .....do you need Netbeui ? filesharing
>> enabled on both ? filesharing on more than one protocol can cause some
>> very
>> strange problems
>>
>>
>>

I tried to find the satndard blurb that is used here ...(usually Steve
Winograd ) but since he hasn't jumped on....

here is his site which has alot of good info ...

very short version.......
recommended run TCP/IP for internet (no file sharing)
use IPX with Netbios enabled for file sharing

a ton more troubleshooting on that site ..have a read

"Haggis" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "Robert O'Connell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message news:A4C596C3-CE46-4D0F-8F0F-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Well my aim is to have all the XP's and 98's seeing each other and I
>> enabled
>> both in an attempt to do that. Is there a definitive list of settings I
>> should apply to get the two types of windows seeing each other. At least
>> then
>> I can work on the "Ten PC's viewable only" problem.
>>
>> "Haggis" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Robert O'Connell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>>> message news:0DBDDB1E-EB4F-4EF8-89E5-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> >I am not running any firewall s/w at all.
>>> > I tried the Browser master thing but it did not work. But in the
>>> > process
>>> > of
>>> > doing so
>>> > I found out the problem has something to do with the 3 Win XP's on the
>>> > network.
>>> > I had NetBIOS enabled on them and when they were on the network I had
>>> > my
>>> > original problem with the win98's. When I removed them form the
>>> > network,
>>> > the
>>> > win98's were perfect.
>>> >
>>> > I then disabled NetBIOS on the XP's, and the Win98's can now always
>>> > see
>>> > only
>>> > ten other computers. They can see them over and over again, so it is
>>> > different to my original problem, but now I can only ever see 10
>>> > others,
>>> > when
>>> > I want to see all.
>>> > Anyone know a fix for the XP's or Win98's to let them see all instead
>>> > of
>>> > the
>>> > 10 PC limit I am getting?
>>> >
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> you are running TCP/IP and Netbeui .....do you need Netbeui ?
>>> filesharing
>>> enabled on both ? filesharing on more than one protocol can cause some
>>> very
>>> strange problems
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> I tried to find the satndard blurb that is used here ...(usually Steve
> Winograd ) but since he hasn't jumped on....
>
> here is his site which has alot of good info ...
>
> very short version.......
> recommended run TCP/IP for internet (no file sharing)
> use IPX with Netbios enabled for file sharing
>
> a ton more troubleshooting on that site ..have a read
>
oops

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