Entanet (resellers) Any good for ADSL?

Anyone have any experience of Entanet's ADSL service? Any issues with
contention, slow-ups, etc. I'm not intersted in email, hosting, etc. just
a 'raw' ADSL service with a view to using it for VoIP (and not Entas
voip either)

FWIW: We have a computer shop near where I live who's an Enta reseller
and am thinking of putting some of my local clients his-way for ADSL
services, so a local shop for local businesses ;-) I'm sure all the
resellers of Enta are much of a muchenss as it's Enta behind the scenes,
so any clues about their network would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Gordon

"Gordon Henderson" <gordon+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:468b9455$0$17182$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Anyone have any experience of Entanet's ADSL service? Any issues with
> contention, slow-ups, etc. I'm not intersted in email, hosting, etc. just
> a 'raw' ADSL service with a view to using it for VoIP (and not Entas
> voip either)
>
> FWIW: We have a computer shop near where I live who's an Enta reseller
> and am thinking of putting some of my local clients his-way for ADSL
> services, so a local shop for local businesses ;-) I'm sure all the
> resellers of Enta are much of a muchenss as it's Enta behind the scenes,
> so any clues about their network would be appreciated.

I don't know any technical details about their network but have read good
customer reviews regarding some ISPs who use Enta to provide service.
Generous download caps too.

"Gordon Henderson" <gordon+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:468b9455$0$17182$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Anyone have any experience of Entanet's ADSL service? Any issues with
> contention, slow-ups, etc. I'm not intersted in email, hosting, etc. just
> a 'raw' ADSL service with a view to using it for VoIP (and not Entas
> voip either)
>
> FWIW: We have a computer shop near where I live who's an Enta reseller
> and am thinking of putting some of my local clients his-way for ADSL
> services, so a local shop for local businesses ;-) I'm sure all the
> resellers of Enta are much of a muchenss as it's Enta behind the scenes,
> so any clues about their network would be appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gordon


They have a live status page here:- http://noc.enta.net/?page_id=166
with the current expected performance via each of the centrals and a
graph of bandwidth usage.

I'm not a customer, but as I understand it speeds tend to drop
when the off peak allowances kick in from around 10pm, unless
they've recently activated another segment, but they seem to do
that often enough to keep the customers happy.

The best place to find out about them is probably
http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/postlist...&Board=entanet

"Mel" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Gordon Henderson" <gordon+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:468b9455$0$17182$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Anyone have any experience of Entanet's ADSL service? Any issues with
>> contention, slow-ups, etc. I'm not intersted in email, hosting, etc. just
>> a 'raw' ADSL service with a view to using it for VoIP (and not Entas
>> voip either)
>>
>> FWIW: We have a computer shop near where I live who's an Enta reseller
>> and am thinking of putting some of my local clients his-way for ADSL
>> services, so a local shop for local businesses ;-) I'm sure all the
>> resellers of Enta are much of a muchenss as it's Enta behind the scenes,
>> so any clues about their network would be appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Gordon
>
>
> They have a live status page here:- http://noc.enta.net/?page_id=166
> with the current expected performance via each of the centrals and a
> graph of bandwidth usage.
>
> I'm not a customer, but as I understand it speeds tend to drop
> when the off peak allowances kick in from around 10pm, unless
> they've recently activated another segment, but they seem to do
> that often enough to keep the customers happy.
>

10pm to 2am can be a touch slow - everyone piles on for the start of
off-peak. Never had below 200k/sec though (more like 300k/sec in "slow"
periods) and for £20 it is a bargain. So long as you can schedule big
downloads over night.

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steeler <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>"Mel" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> "Gordon Henderson" <gordon+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:468b9455$0$17182$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Anyone have any experience of Entanet's ADSL service? Any issues with
>>> contention, slow-ups, etc. I'm not intersted in email, hosting, etc. just
>>> a 'raw' ADSL service with a view to using it for VoIP (and not Entas
>>> voip either)
>>>
>>> FWIW: We have a computer shop near where I live who's an Enta reseller
>>> and am thinking of putting some of my local clients his-way for ADSL
>>> services, so a local shop for local businesses ;-) I'm sure all the
>>> resellers of Enta are much of a muchenss as it's Enta behind the scenes,
>>> so any clues about their network would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Gordon
>>
>>
>> They have a live status page here:- http://noc.enta.net/?page_id=166
>> with the current expected performance via each of the centrals and a
>> graph of bandwidth usage.
>>
>> I'm not a customer, but as I understand it speeds tend to drop
>> when the off peak allowances kick in from around 10pm, unless
>> they've recently activated another segment, but they seem to do
>> that often enough to keep the customers happy.
>>
>
>10pm to 2am can be a touch slow - everyone piles on for the start of
>off-peak. Never had below 200k/sec though (more like 300k/sec in "slow"
>periods) and for £20 it is a bargain. So long as you can schedule big
>downloads over night.

Thanks for that - and the other replies. I'm looking at this for
small businesses to get them out of their current mess after they've gone
with the cheapest they could find at the time, so overnight won't really
be an issue.

Although it's now tempting me to move myself, as their business deals
would suit me and it's 20:1 and 833Kbps upload for less than I'm paying
Zen...

Cheers,

Gordon

In message <468bbbcd$0$5856$(E-Mail Removed)>, Gordon Henderson
<gordon+(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>and it's 20:1

Whoever still claims that is mistaken. BT haven't quoted contention
ratios ever since they introduced ADSLMax. If you think about it, the
concept of fixed ratios is meaningless where each subscriber has a
different line speed ("synch. speed") and line rate ("IP profile").

I believe BT currently states that business traffic via ADSLMax gets
priority across their backbone network. How, or if, any particular ISP
prioritises traffic from business connections within their own network
is unknown. Once such traffic has passed through the ISP's border
routers out onto the "internet", it is in the lap of the gods.

--
Dave N

N.B. Mail to nospam is rejected. Reply-To does work.

On 04 Jul 2007 12:36:37 GMT, Gordon Henderson
<gordon+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>so any clues about their network would be appreciated.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Gordon

I can clue you in a little on the network side.

5 x 622Mbps BT Centrals
3 fully lit
1 with 2 x 155 lit
1 with 1 x 155 lit
....so 5 x 155Mbps is available to light at short notice if required.

2 more 622 Centrals are on order with the usual long BT lead times,
but both are scheduled for activation before the end of October 2007.

There is spare Central capacity most of the time as can be seen at
http://noc.enta.net/?page_id=166. The "Anti Loss Tool" (ALT)
sacrifices speed for all users connected to any Central, which is
seeing potential congestion on the horizon, in order to preserve low
latency and eliminate packet loss, which is essential for VoIP and
other delay senstive apps, like gaming. Speeds are reduced in 500Kbps
steps as a Central gets full and they're increased in 200Kbps steps as
the demand wanes. This means that users syncing at higher speeds get
slowed down first, users syncing at lower speeds might not even notice
the tool coming into effect.

Due to the way the packages are structured there is a 10 'o' clock
rush as everyone schedules their downloads to start on the dot. It
could be avoided if customers could get into the habit of scheduling
downloads later on whilst asleep when there's more available capacity
than you can shake a stick at, as can be seen by referring to the
graphs. The rush tends to last around two hours then tails off
sharply. Due to the unavailability of session steering from BT (i.e.
they "round robin" session delivery to Centrals, rather than allowing
us to direct each new session to the quietest Central) potential
imbalance of sessions on Centrals means users on one Central may see a
slowdown whilst at the same time users on another may enjoy full
speed.

Centrals are delivered in multiple locations in London, currently
Telehouse East and Global Switch 1, various London datacentre
locations (9 in total) are interconnected with 2 x DF rings currently
lit at 10Gbps.

Amsterdam, Paris and Frankfurt are currently on a 1Gbps ring, an
upgrade to 2 x 10GE rings is planned by end of Q3 2007.

Peering is at LINX, Ams-IX, Dec-IX, etc. Full peering information is
available at http://www.as8468.net/

There is full commitment to move off 20CN IP Stream network and on to
21CN network as 21CN rolls out. That should see >20Gbps overall
interconnection with 21CN at the outset.

HTH

Jake
--
Address munged but valid - remove mungbeans.

In message <nT+h50FA3+(E-Mail Removed)>, Dave N
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>I believe BT currently states that business traffic via ADSLMax gets
>priority across their backbone network. How, or if, any particular ISP
>prioritises traffic from business connections within their own network
>is unknown. Once such traffic has passed through the ISP's border
>routers out onto the "internet", it is in the lap of the gods.

It makes my pings >5ms quicker.
--
Devs
"Punchdown Pete the old Kroner"

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
Muxton <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>On 04 Jul 2007 12:36:37 GMT, Gordon Henderson
><gordon+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>so any clues about their network would be appreciated.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Gordon
>
>I can clue you in a little on the network side.

I understand you work for them? No issues there, but it would be nice
if you made that clear, even if not posting in an "official" capacity.

Thanks for the info though.

So things are looking good (or at least not bad!) from what I've read
here, elsewhere and a private email or 2 about them.

Cheers,

Gordon

On 05 Jul 2007 07:43:23 GMT, Gordon Henderson
<gordon+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I understand you work for them? No issues there, but it would be nice
>if you made that clear, even if not posting in an "official" capacity.

I thought I'd included that somewhere but it must have been lost in
the final edit Yep, I work for them, but not on the broadband
side, as it happens.