Email on the road

Q1: Looking for solution to the following:
- notebook user has a broadband connection at home and uses the
same ISP for email
- 'on the road', the user needs to access email. Choices of
connection are dial-up, WiFi hotspot, hotel/Internet cafe LAN,
GPRS/3G card.
- receiving email via Outlook Express works just fine...
- ...BUT how do you send email?
- The home BB ISPs SMTP server invariably bounces you with
'relaying is not allowed' error.
- Opening email accounts with the alternative ISPs and
changing the SMTP address is a PITA.

The solution I've found thus far when away from home base is to
have the user connect by whatever means and then use
www.text2mail.com or similar for email access - works but is 'sub-
optimal' IMO.

Practical and constructive suggestions please?

Q2: It seems to me that if SMTP servers were set up to authenticate
users in the same way that POP3 servers do, Q1 would not be an
issue. So why don't ISPs do that?

BRG <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> Q1: Looking for solution to the following:
> - notebook user has a broadband connection at home and uses the
> same ISP for email
> - 'on the road', the user needs to access email. Choices of
> connection are dial-up, WiFi hotspot, hotel/Internet cafe LAN,
> GPRS/3G card.
> - receiving email via Outlook Express works just fine...
> - ...BUT how do you send email?
> - The home BB ISPs SMTP server invariably bounces you with
> 'relaying is not allowed' error.
> - Opening email accounts with the alternative ISPs and
> changing the SMTP address is a PITA.
>
> The solution I've found thus far when away from home base is to
> have the user connect by whatever means and then use
> or similar for email access - works but is
> 'sub- optimal' IMO.
>
> Practical and constructive suggestions please?
>
> Q2: It seems to me that if SMTP servers were set up to
> authenticate users in the same way that POP3 servers do, Q1
> would not be an issue. So why don't ISPs do that?
>
Correction: I meant to put http://www.mail2web.com/ not
www.text2mail.com

> Q1: Looking for solution to the following:
> - notebook user has a broadband connection at home and uses the
> same ISP for email
> - 'on the road', the user needs to access email. Choices of
> connection are dial-up, WiFi hotspot, hotel/Internet cafe LAN,
> GPRS/3G card.

If he has a desktop at home and a notebook with him, he could use
something like VNC / TightVNC to allow him to connect to his home PC
remotely, and simply send his emails using his connection at home. His
screen refreshes are likely to be as slow as a tortoise on mogadon, but
it`d work :-}

Note that I wouldn`t recommend this if going on the road for more than a
day or so, as it could potentially leave him wide open to hackers if they
guessed his password (which is limited to 8 characters), although in the
short term if he changed his password regularly to a randomly generated
one...

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:27:47 GMT, BRG <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Q1: Looking for solution to the following:
>- notebook user has a broadband connection at home and uses the
>same ISP for email
>- 'on the road', the user needs to access email. Choices of
>connection are dial-up, WiFi hotspot, hotel/Internet cafe LAN,
>GPRS/3G card.
>- receiving email via Outlook Express works just fine...
>- ...BUT how do you send email?
> - The home BB ISPs SMTP server invariably bounces you with
>'relaying is not allowed' error.
> - Opening email accounts with the alternative ISPs and
>changing the SMTP address is a PITA.
>
>The solution I've found thus far when away from home base is to
>have the user connect by whatever means and then use
>www.text2mail.com or similar for email access - works but is 'sub-
>optimal' IMO.
>
>Practical and constructive suggestions please?
>
>Q2: It seems to me that if SMTP servers were set up to authenticate
>users in the same way that POP3 servers do, Q1 would not be an
>issue. So why don't ISPs do that?


what about using a mobile phone and connecting through GPRS to the
notebook and using Outlook express, thats what I use

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BRG <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Q1: Looking for solution to the following:
> - notebook user has a broadband connection at home and uses the
> same ISP for email
> - 'on the road', the user needs to access email. Choices of
> connection are dial-up, WiFi hotspot, hotel/Internet cafe LAN,
> GPRS/3G card.
> - receiving email via Outlook Express works just fine...
> - ...BUT how do you send email?
> - The home BB ISPs SMTP server invariably bounces you with
> 'relaying is not allowed' error.
> - Opening email accounts with the alternative ISPs and
> changing the SMTP address is a PITA.

I route all of my outgoing email (multiple accounts) through a single
gradwell SMTP account.

Doesn't matter how or where I get on the 'net... works great.

<http://www.gradwell.com/email/smtp-relay.php>

HTH
Tom
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"BRG" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Xns9621ED1FB38CBRGxxx@194.168.222.120...
> Q1: Looking for solution to the following:
> - notebook user has a broadband connection at home and uses the
> same ISP for email
> - 'on the road', the user needs to access email. Choices of
> connection are dial-up, WiFi hotspot, hotel/Internet cafe LAN,
> GPRS/3G card.
> - receiving email via Outlook Express works just fine...
> - ...BUT how do you send email?
> - The home BB ISPs SMTP server invariably bounces you with
> 'relaying is not allowed' error.
> - Opening email accounts with the alternative ISPs and
> changing the SMTP address is a PITA.
>
> The solution I've found thus far when away from home base is to
> have the user connect by whatever means and then use
> www.text2mail.com or similar for email access - works but is 'sub-
> optimal' IMO.
>
> Practical and constructive suggestions please?
>
> Q2: It seems to me that if SMTP servers were set up to authenticate
> users in the same way that POP3 servers do, Q1 would not be an
> issue. So why don't ISPs do that?

For approx £10 per year, you could always get you own domain and
email hosting package, and be able access it from any connection
at any time.

Also, if you take into account the GPRS cost of VPNing back to
your home PC to access your ISPs mailbox, the £10 pa
*might* work out cheaper

An additional benefit is the fact that you can change ISP at any
time and retain email address continuity ....

he could change to an ISP that provides authenticated SMTP, or use a
3rd party service like one from www.gradwell.net or
www.clara.net/btbroadband

SMTP Authentication isn't bombproof and there are different ways of
doing it, so ISPs in the main don't bother.

Google mail provides an authenticated SMTP service but it will insert
the gmail address in the from field, though you can have "reply to" set
accordingly.

Phil.

(E-Mail Removed) (Tom Warner) wrote in
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> BRG <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Q1: Looking for solution to the following:
>> - notebook user has a broadband connection at home and uses the
>> same ISP for email
>> - 'on the road', the user needs to access email. Choices of
>> connection are dial-up, WiFi hotspot, hotel/Internet cafe LAN,
>> GPRS/3G card.
>> - receiving email via Outlook Express works just fine...
>> - ...BUT how do you send email?
>> - The home BB ISPs SMTP server invariably bounces you
>> with
>> 'relaying is not allowed' error.
>> - Opening email accounts with the alternative ISPs and
>> changing the SMTP address is a PITA.
>
> I route all of my outgoing email (multiple accounts) through a
> single gradwell SMTP account.
>
> Doesn't matter how or where I get on the 'net... works great.
>
> <http://www.gradwell.com/email/smtp-relay.php>
>
> HTH
> Tom

Tom (and Jon),
Quote from Gradwell's site:

"Our server is able to authenticate you using a user name and
password, rather than on the basis of where you are connecting
from, so you can use our outgoing mail server regardless of how you
connect to the internet."

Shame it's an additional cost - a piddly amount I know, but users
don't like paying twice.

And why don't ISPs do this for free anyway? i.e. Q2 in my OP.

On 22 Mar 2005 00:38:48 -0800, "PhilT" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>he could change to an ISP that provides authenticated SMTP, or use a
>3rd party service like one from www.gradwell.net or
>www.clara.net/btbroadband
>
>SMTP Authentication isn't bombproof and there are different ways of
>doing it, so ISPs in the main don't bother.
>

The user on the road could run his or her own SMTP server, installed
on the laptop.

Oldie

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:14:31 +0000, Oldie <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>The user on the road could run his or her own SMTP server, installed
>on the laptop.

generally not a good idea. Dialup IP address ranges are blacklisted by
many and you need an SMTP server online for a good time to shift the
messages, handle the retries etc. Not really a "send and forget"
solution.

Phil
Tiscali - dialup speeds at Broadband prices :-)

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