EDGE vs EVDO

<http://www.theregister.com/2007/07/29/iphone_v_q/page2.html>

The most interesting discovery about the iPhone was the performance
on the EDGE network. Using CATTRAX (which uses MapQuest maps) in real
time with zooming and scrolling was excellent. While some of the
updates took a few seconds, there was nothing that was a show-stopper
in the performance. It was much better, in fact, than the Q with EVDO
and Opera: that might be the AT&T network enhancements alone, but the
end result was excellent. Even El Reg popped up quickly and was
easily navigable, unlike sometimes on the Q where style sheet
problems make the page hard to read.

The real surprise was the integrated Wi-Fi. The fact that the phone
will pick up Wi-Fi on demand and use this for the "heavy lifting"
data transfers eliminates the need for HSDPA in many (but not all)
situations. (This is still a toughie for me, as I have no wired WAN
connectivity and eschew using hot spots. However, Pat also has the
same set up as I do in his motor home, with an EVDO rev.a modem
feeding a Wi-Fi router, and this works very well for the higher speed
downloads as needed.) It appears that the iPhone does a superior job
of scheduling data transfers between foreground (web pages) and
background (large downloads) thus keeping the EDGE speed available
for immediate use.)

[MUCH MORE]
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Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

John Navas wrote:

> <http://www.theregister.com/2007/07/29/iphone_v_q/page2.html>


The real story....

No Bluetooth A2DP stereo audio, no PAN, no voice dial, limited add-on s/w.

AAPL's "my way or the highway" version of "no clue" interfaces.

Verdict: all but fashion victims should wait.

As usual, fashion victims can pay-to-beta.

News wrote:
> John Navas wrote:
>
>> <http://www.theregister.com/2007/07/29/iphone_v_q/page2.html>
>
>
> The real story....
>
> No Bluetooth A2DP stereo audio, no PAN, no voice dial, limited add-on s/w.
>
> AAPL's "my way or the highway" version of "no clue" interfaces.
>
> Verdict: all but fashion victims should wait.
>
> As usual, fashion victims can pay-to-beta.

And to add to the story, check out the Ocean that I posted a few days ago.
It appears to really knock the iPhone to the back of the bus.

http://www.helio.com

http://compare.helio.com/#homepage

"DTC" wrote:
> News wrote:
>> John Navas wrote:
>>
>>> <http://www.theregister.com/2007/07/29/iphone_v_q/page2.html>
>>
>>
>> The real story....
>>
>> No Bluetooth A2DP stereo audio, no PAN, no voice dial, limited add-on
>> s/w.
>>
>> AAPL's "my way or the highway" version of "no clue" interfaces.
>>
>> Verdict: all but fashion victims should wait.
>>
>> As usual, fashion victims can pay-to-beta.
>
> And to add to the story, check out the Ocean that I posted a few days ago.
> It appears to really knock the iPhone to the back of the bus.

Not a chance.


--
Mike

Tinman wrote:
> "DTC" wrote:
>> And to add to the story, check out the Ocean that I posted a few days ago.
>> It appears to really knock the iPhone to the back of the bus.
>
> Not a chance.


How so? Is there something in the side by side comparison I missed?

On 7/29/07 1:41 PM, in article
8d5ri.2448$(E-Mail Removed), "DTC"
<no_spam@move_along_folks.foob> wrote:

> Tinman wrote:
>> "DTC" wrote:
>>> And to add to the story, check out the Ocean that I posted a few days ago.
>>> It appears to really knock the iPhone to the back of the bus.
>>
>> Not a chance.
>
>
> How so? Is there something in the side by side comparison I missed?
Yeah. The fact that you are a racist using a piece o'shit for a phone. All
that sliding keyboard will jam up with the sugar goo from your
doughnut-infested fingers.

And your problem is what exactly?



George Kerby wrote:
>
>
> Yeah. The fact that you are a racist using a piece o'shit for a phone. All
> that sliding keyboard will jam up with the sugar goo from your
> doughnut-infested fingers.
>

"DTC" wrote:
> Tinman wrote:
>> "DTC" wrote:
>>> And to add to the story, check out the Ocean that I posted a few days
>>> ago. It appears to really knock the iPhone to the back of the bus.
>>
>> Not a chance.
>
>
> How so? Is there something in the side by side comparison I missed?

That is a biased comparison by Helio themselves, nothing more.

My point was that the iPhone will outsell it by a huge margin. The fact that
helio.com chose to even do such a comparison to the iPhone--a comparison I
find suspect anyway--is evidence to that. If Apple did that people would be
saying, "Helio Ocean who?"

But about those points...

Treo 750 does EV-DO yet several tests have shown that even when the iPhone
is running on EDGE it was able to render pages faster. The Register article
that is the basis for this thread came to the same conclusion. So just
listing 3G doesn't impress me. Lack of WiFi, OTOH, is a *big* drawback of
the Ocean (if the iPhone had no WiFi I would even be discussing it, let
alone have one).

About the only thing I would want in that comparison chart is A2DP. But I
certainly wouldn't won't to switch to an Ocean to get it.

And how about the screen? Without question my iPhone has the best screen of
any mobile device I've ever owned, or used. The Ocean has QVGA which is only
half the resolution, and who knows how good it is when in use.

No mention of how well the Ocean works with iTunes either, something I have
been enjoying a lot more than I had anticipated with my iPhone.

Size and weight comparison? Didn't see it.

Memory? My iPhone has 8 gigs. You can get what, 2 gigs now in MicroSD? My
iPhone currently has 3 gigs of just video (and the quality is great--it's
actually usable as a video player).

Finally, the Web browsing experience on my iPhone is, once again, far better
than any mobile device I've ever owned, or used. Call me skeptical but I
would have to see the Ocean in action to think it even comes close (though,
again, with half the resolution how could it?).

What about syncing? I read the Ocean doesn't even sync to Outlook. Is that
correct? Why not in the comparison chart?

I could go on, but to state that this device is going to "knock the iPhone
to the back of the bus" due to an incomplete, and biased, comparison chart
doesn't quite seem appropriate.

YMMV, IMHO, etc., etc.



--
Mike

Tinman wrote:

> About the only thing I would want in that comparison chart is A2DP. But I
> certainly wouldn't won't to switch to an Ocean to get it.
>
....
>
> No mention of how well the Ocean works with iTunes either, something I
> have been enjoying a lot more than I had anticipated with my iPhone.


Enjoying? Of what use is a mono "tunes" device?

What were they thinking?

On 7/29/07 2:50 PM, in article
fe2dnV-(E-Mail Removed), "News" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

> Tinman wrote:
>
>> About the only thing I would want in that comparison chart is A2DP. But I
>> certainly wouldn't won't to switch to an Ocean to get it.
>>
> ...
>
>>
>> No mention of how well the Ocean works with iTunes either, something I
>> have been enjoying a lot more than I had anticipated with my iPhone.
>
>
> Enjoying? Of what use is a mono "tunes" device?
>
> What were they thinking?
What are YOU thinking? WTF do you mean by 'mono'?

What a Maroon!