Eclipse The Same As Plusnet Now !!!!!!!

Be warned !!!!!
Eclipse are now going down the same road as Plusnet, with regard to LLU
A letter is sent to the prospective "LLUee" telling him/her of the wonderful
improvents to the service both their own and BTs engineers are
making at "your exchange"......and all for the benefit of the customer.
What they *FAIL* to mention in this vague missive, is the fact that its
all to do with LLU !!!!
From what i can gather they (Eclipse) arent using just *ONE* LLU supplier
but it looks like they could be cherrypicking between them all
At least with Plusnet, they offered an opt out scheme

Yoda

Yoda <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Be warned !!!!!
> Eclipse are now going down the same road as Plusnet, with regard to LLU
> A letter is sent to the prospective "LLUee" telling him/her of the wonderful
> improvents to the service both their own and BTs engineers are
> making at "your exchange"......and all for the benefit of the customer.
> What they *FAIL* to mention in this vague missive, is the fact that its
> all to do with LLU !!!!
> From what i can gather they (Eclipse) arent using just *ONE* LLU supplier
> but it looks like they could be cherrypicking between them all
> At least with Plusnet, they offered an opt out scheme

What on earth is all that supposed to mean?

I mean, so what?

--
Andy Hewitt
<http://www.thehewitts.eclipse.co.uk/>
<http://andyhewitt.boldlygoingnowhere.org/>

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Yoda says...
> Be warned !!!!!
> Eclipse are now going down the same road as Plusnet, with regard to LLU
> A letter is sent to the prospective "LLUee" telling him/her of the wonderful
> improvents to the service both their own and BTs engineers are
> making at "your exchange"......and all for the benefit of the customer.
> What they *FAIL* to mention in this vague missive, is the fact that its
> all to do with LLU !!!!
> From what i can gather they (Eclipse) arent using just *ONE* LLU supplier
> but it looks like they could be cherrypicking between them all
> At least with Plusnet, they offered an opt out scheme
>
> Yoda
>
>
>
so contact customer support and tell them that you don't want your line
unbundling. From what I've been told they will then flag the line as not
to be changed over.

"Andy Hewitt" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:1hjhm91.10jy0aooivzeaN%wildrover.andy@googlem ail.com...
> What on earth is all that supposed to mean?
>
> I mean, so what?

So what indeed !!!!!!
Go take a look in the Plusnet Forum section at ADSLGuide
And you will *SEE* what
In short, bad connection for *WEEKS* on end
No refunds for the time offline suffered
No clean route away should you want to migrate away
...........etc, etc, etc

Yoda

"Flying Rat" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed). ..
> so contact customer support and tell them that you don't want your line
> unbundling. From what I've been told they will then flag the line as not
> to be changed over.

Already done.whether they will be true to their word or not is another story

Yoda

In article <3t6dnXMD-r-(E-Mail Removed)>, Yoda says...
>
> "Andy Hewitt" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:1hjhm91.10jy0aooivzeaN%wildrover.andy@googlem ail.com...
> > What on earth is all that supposed to mean?
> >
> > I mean, so what?
>
> So what indeed !!!!!!
> Go take a look in the Plusnet Forum section at ADSLGuide
> And you will *SEE* what
> In short, bad connection for *WEEKS* on end
> No refunds for the time offline suffered
> No clean route away should you want to migrate away
> ..........etc, etc, etc
>
> Yoda
>
>
>
three important issues here

1. This is still, as yet, just a trial. It's by no means certain it will
be widespread.

2. Going with LLU means Eclipse can get away from BT's Capacity Based
Charging models. BT are overcharging ISPs massively, and that is a
stranglehold on broadband development.

3. Using LLU delivers traffic to the Eclipse core network. It isn't the
same as LLU delivering to PusNet's congested wires.

It's a shame this government hasn't got the bollocks to take on BT and
break it up properly. The local loop should be more like Network Rail is
for railways, with the 'tracks' being independent and service operators
able to compete on equal terms rather than one monster company setting
the prices. Capacity Based Charging and lack of broadband investment is
stopping Britain moving forward to faster speeds and larger data volumes
at reasonable cost.

FR

Andy Hewitt wrote:

> Yoda <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> > Be warned !!!!!
> > Eclipse are now going down the same road as Plusnet, with regard to LLU
> > A letter is sent to the prospective "LLUee" telling him/her of the wonderful
> > improvents to the service both their own and BTs engineers are
> > making at "your exchange"......and all for the benefit of the customer.
> > What they *FAIL* to mention in this vague missive, is the fact that its
> > all to do with LLU !!!!
> > From what i can gather they (Eclipse) arent using just *ONE* LLU supplier
> > but it looks like they could be cherrypicking between them all
> > At least with Plusnet, they offered an opt out scheme
>
> What on earth is all that supposed to mean?
>
> I mean, so what?

Have you been LLU'd ?

Graham

Yoda wrote:

> "Flying Rat" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed). ..
> > so contact customer support and tell them that you don't want your line
> > unbundling. From what I've been told they will then flag the line as not
> > to be changed over.
>
> Already done.whether they will be true to their word or not is another story

If in doubt - migrate *now*. I'd advise you to.

Graham

Flying Rat wrote:

> In article <3t6dnXMD-r-(E-Mail Removed)>, Yoda says...
> >
> > "Andy Hewitt" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:1hjhm91.10jy0aooivzeaN%wildrover.andy@googlem ail.com...
> > > What on earth is all that supposed to mean?
> > >
> > > I mean, so what?
> >
> > So what indeed !!!!!!
> > Go take a look in the Plusnet Forum section at ADSLGuide
> > And you will *SEE* what
> > In short, bad connection for *WEEKS* on end
> > No refunds for the time offline suffered
> > No clean route away should you want to migrate away
> > ..........etc, etc, etc
> >
> > Yoda
>
> three important issues here
>
> 1. This is still, as yet, just a trial. It's by no means certain it will
> be widespread.

That's no help to the person who gets LLU'd.


> 2. Going with LLU means Eclipse can get away from BT's Capacity Based
> Charging models. BT are overcharging ISPs massively, and that is a
> stranglehold on broadband development.

So why no price reduction then ?


> 3. Using LLU delivers traffic to the Eclipse core network. It isn't the
> same as LLU delivering to PusNet's congested wires.

Uh ? How is that any better ?

> It's a shame this government hasn't got the bollocks to take on BT and
> break it up properly. The local loop should be more like Network Rail is
> for railways, with the 'tracks' being independent and service operators
> able to compete on equal terms rather than one monster company setting
> the prices. Capacity Based Charging and lack of broadband investment is
> stopping Britain moving forward to faster speeds and larger data volumes
> at reasonable cost.

Look what happened to Railtrack if you want an example.

BT actually answers the phone which is more than can be said for many of their
competitors ! I can't wait to get back to them.

Graham

Eeyore <(E-Mail Removed) > wrote:

> Andy Hewitt wrote:
>
> > Yoda <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >
> > > Be warned !!!!! Eclipse are now going down the same road as Plusnet,
> > > with regard to LLU A letter is sent to the prospective "LLUee" telling
> > > him/her of the wonderful improvents to the service both their own and
> > > BTs engineers are making at "your exchange"......and all for the
> > > benefit of the customer. What they *FAIL* to mention in this vague
> > > missive, is the fact that its all to do with LLU !!!! From what i can
> > > gather they (Eclipse) arent using just *ONE* LLU supplier but it looks
> > > like they could be cherrypicking between them all At least with
> > > Plusnet, they offered an opt out scheme
> >
> > What on earth is all that supposed to mean?
> >
> > I mean, so what?
>
> Have you been LLU'd ?

No.

--
Andy Hewitt
<http://www.thehewitts.eclipse.co.uk/>
<http://andyhewitt.boldlygoingnowhere.org/>